What happened to Lightning Records?

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Posted by Ian on Mar-10-2003 21:58:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMaytag
If you downloaded others, I'd say that you probably haven't bought enough!

Maybe you should stop trying to win an argument when ur going into it with such a one sided opinion

Posted by DJMaytag on Mar-10-2003 22:00:

quote:
Originally posted by uwmadtrance
Erhm.

Tranceport 2 was released November of 1999. I don't know how you were hammering that one back in 97.

But that's besides the point.

It was one of that group that I was playing between 1997-2000. The others were from earlier.

Posted by torontotrance on Mar-10-2003 22:00:

I argue because I think mp3's are worth something in some regards..tho i refuse to download albums.

Posted by Mark on Mar-10-2003 22:00:

i download mp3's. i also buy vinyl.
so whats your point again?

Posted by DJMaytag on Mar-10-2003 22:01:

quote:
Originally posted by ferrycorstenfan
Maybe you should stop trying to win an argument when ur going into it with such a one sided opinion

What, that theft is wrong? That record labels are being hurt due to the theft of their music?

Posted by torontotrance on Mar-10-2003 22:02:

no....the question is how much.

if mp3's had not come along..i doubt I would have bought as many cd's as I have because you hear a song on it and go...the rest must be as good.

Posted by torontotrance on Mar-10-2003 22:03:

Also I doubt I would have seen so many dj's live

add to my list wider angle and the hybrid remix album. Both recommended buys.

Posted by UWM on Mar-10-2003 22:05:

Without the Internet, I wouldn't know shit about trance. I would still call it techno and bop my head to Darude and DJ Sammy.

I would never have bought any GUs, Airdrawndagger, ISOS series, Magik Series, Northern Exposures, Communicate, TPOD, Global DVD/CD, Tranceport 1-3, etc ...

Posted by Mark on Mar-10-2003 22:06:

if it wasn't for mp3's, i'm probably still listening to mainstream pop as my main choice of music. mp3's brought me to the scene and in turn, i show my support by buying vinyls.

Posted by xcape on Mar-10-2003 22:06:

I don't know wether lightning records was bad managed but their distribution was horrible.Here in belgium it was and still is nearly impossible to get any trance record. Only the fucking retro is available. Before I had an internet connection i only bought records.But since I've got the internet I know much trance tracks than ever before. When i liked I ordered them in belgium but I never got any respond,sometimes i got a respond after 6 months. So there was only one solution--->play illegal mp3's
Now I've ordered some trance tracks in the netherlands i hope i get respond.

Posted by torontotrance on Mar-10-2003 22:07:

Airdrawndagger owns...i got ISOS 3 and all the pvd albums cept global

Posted by DJMaytag on Mar-10-2003 22:07:

quote:
Originally posted by M.A.R.K
i download mp3's. i also buy vinyl.
so whats your point again?

Bonzai/Lightning went out of business. They even said that mp3's hurt their sales. This will not be the last major label to fold due to mp3's.

Posted by mettkea on Mar-10-2003 22:08:

Mr. Maytag, I think you need to think before you speak...I leave in Wisconsin and I'm Dj. Therefore there are not many record shops around (I do a lot of my shopping online) but I still like to go to record shops around the area. One record shop that I do go to is one that I believe you work at. Many of the tunes I buy from your shop I either have downloaded the MP3 or heard on a liveset! So I believe that, IMO, that MP3 downloads help sales (remember that this is MY OWN OPINION). For example, I bought Infusion - Legacy from your shop a week ago because I heard the MP3 first. So you can thank a MP3 download for your paycheck. And if you keep this additude up that MP3 downloads (the ones you disagree with, not livesets) are evil, I will stop shopping at the establishment you work at!!!!

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Mar-10-2003 22:09:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
no....the question is how much.

if mp3's had not come along..i doubt I would have bought as many cd's as I have because you hear a song on it and go...the rest must be as good.

You must be wrong if DJMaytag says so!!!1111

Posted by Mark on Mar-10-2003 22:09:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMaytag
Bonzai/Lightning went out of business. They even said that mp3's hurt their sales. This will not be the last major label to fold due to mp3's.

no shit they went out of business. i saw the thread. my point is that you are attacking mp3's as if its the ONLY cause to the closing of my favorite label. however, you are wrong. i collect mp3's and i support the tunes that deserve my money. not all mp3 collector's are "theives".

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Mar-10-2003 22:10:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMaytag
Bonzai/Lightning went out of business. They even said that mp3's hurt their sales. This will not be the last major label to fold due to mp3's.

So basically what you're saying is that if people download the mp3 to check out the track and then buy the vinyl it's hurting the record label?

Go, you!

Posted by Sand Leaper on Mar-10-2003 22:11:

I just thought of a decent theory on mp3s.Mp3 is in short,involuntary promotion.The mp3 promotes the artist and the music the artist creates,and this free sample of the artist's work,can make more people go out and buy the artist's record,just like a commercial or airplay.This form of promotion has a price,like all other forms of promotion has,in this case it being a loss in income.This can however be compensated by the amount of people it can reach that actually buy records,see the artist live etc.

Just a thought I had

and by the way:

It's useless to believe that mp3s were what caused Lightning to shut down.Jurgen Leyers himself said that it was only PARTLY the reason for its demise.Considering the amount of records Lightning sold ALONE on having L-Vee and MIKE on their roster makes the theory that mp3s alone caused Lightning to shut down useless, not to mention the fact that NONE of the other reasons for Lightning to shut down was mentioned with a single word anywhere.

Posted by UWM on Mar-10-2003 22:14:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
Airdrawndagger owns...i got ISOS 3 and all the pvd albums cept global

I must admit you have good taste in music. We probably shouldn't have that fight after all.

*runs, steals TTAs signed Sander CD*

Posted by torontotrance on Mar-10-2003 22:21:

rofl...gimme back....lol

i should buy global at some pt but kinda useless because I have no dvd player to watch the dvd....lol.

Posted by DJMaytag on Mar-10-2003 22:32:

quote:
Originally posted by wong
Mr. Maytag, I think you need to think before you speak...I leave in Wisconsin and I'm Dj. Therefore there are not many record shops around (I do a lot of my shopping online) but I still like to go to record shops around the area. One record shop that I do go to is one that I believe you work at. Many of the tunes I buy from your shop I either have downloaded the MP3 or heard on a liveset! So I believe that, IMO, that MP3 downloads help sales (remember that this is MY OWN OPINION). For example, I bought Infusion - Legacy from your shop a week ago because I heard the MP3 first. So you can thank a MP3 download for your paycheck. And if you keep this additude up that MP3 downloads (the ones you disagree with, not livesets) are evil, I will stop shopping at the establishment you work at!!!!

I do alot of liveset listening too, so I know what records to stock for the store. I don't believe that streams from ASOT on ID&T or other shows are necessarily bad.

But I do believe there are a significant number of ppl out there that have no intention of ever buying anything that DO download rips of individual songs that DO have an impact on sales.

While it's great that you're buying records, and even greater that you've bought some from my shop, I can't sit by idly and watch my favorite labels fold like Bonzai just did. I'm sorry if my opinion turns you off, but I stand by my opinion that labels are being hurt by those who have no intention of ever purchasing the tunes they steal.

I'd love to revisit this in say 5 years and would LOVE to be proven wrong, but if more labels start dropping, then maybe it'd be time for some to take a look at what they're doing and think twice about it.

Posted by DJMaytag on Mar-10-2003 22:37:

quote:
Originally posted by uwmadtrance
Without the Internet, I wouldn't know shit about trance. I would still call it techno and bop my head to Darude and DJ Sammy.

I would never have bought any GUs, Airdrawndagger, ISOS series, Magik Series, Northern Exposures, Communicate, TPOD, Global DVD/CD, Tranceport 1-3, etc ...

Dood, you're a bigger trance junkie than I am! So, I doubt that you NEVER would have found out about trance if you never used the internet, it just would have taken a bit longer than it did (I went though a similar process over the years, starting out listening to LA Style, 2 Unlimited, and other Rave Til Dawn sorta stuff!)

Posted by UWM on Mar-10-2003 22:59:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMaytag
Rave Til Dawn sorta stuff

Haha, I remember listening to that back in like 94. It's great, I completely forgot I had it. I think I'll go give it a listen again.
Praga Kahn - Injected With a Poison .. Mmm.

Posted by DJMaytag on Mar-10-2003 23:07:

quote:
Originally posted by uwmadtrance
Haha, I remember listening to that back in like 94. It's great, I completely forgot I had it. I think I'll go give it a listen again.
Praga Kahn - Injected With a Poison .. Mmm.

That's still one of my faves off that CD! That and the Ottorongo tune, which was kinda funny!

Posted by chris_norris on Mar-10-2003 23:12:

If we give you some sort of prize or medal/reward type thing, can we stop arguing?

Posted by SuperFarStucker on Mar-10-2003 23:25:

It's impossible to fairly assess the damage/good mp3's have done to the music industry, it is simply a question that cannot be answered. You have one side of the fence that argues illegal mp3 filesharing is outright stealing and offers no advantage whatsoever to the artist, while others maintain that it is free advertising. I, on the other hand (among many) see it as a little bit of both, whether it is hurting or helping the industry I cannot say, but i would be inclined to say it helps *at least* labels which primarily push material on vinyl. People who would buy the vinyl normally aren't going to be happy with a half ass 'mp3' copy so there is no lost 'market' there, at least not in my eyes so it only serves as a vehicle for advertising (for the most part). CD format (e.g. 'listening') music may indeed have experienced a downturn since the advent of wide scale filesharing, while some artists may have experienced an increase in music sales, but if you look at labels as a whole its more conceivable to see a decrease in sales. A lot of stuff pushed through as music is .. hardly that... and if you can freely sample it on mp3 then its not as likely to be bought. Not a single label releases nothing but stormers soooo... its not hard to stretch your imagination a bit and see a connection there.

Not bringing up anything new in my 'statement' just kind of my spin on the situation. There simply isnt any data available that prove mp3s are killing the scene or helping it.. too many variables, its entirely subjective.

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