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Originally posted by dinoXpress Tis is the biggest piece of bullsit ive read in a thread my god. If an mp3(320kbps)/wav is recorded directly at the source, straight from the dat, it will sound just as good if not better than anny vinyl. its all digital anyways. The problem is a lot of mp3are converted from the DAT to vinyl to 320 to 192 back to 320 and each step loses sound quality. i guarantee you that if you put it on mp3 direct it would sound as good. I know for a fact a lot of producers use pc only software to record etc, are u trying to say that its gonna sound better AFTER they put it on vinyl? If 2 exact same systems were used, there would be no difference. Unless you are a dog (they have better hearing) you are lying if you still think vinyl sounds better vs. direct 320kbps mp3.

Well said. I'd like to see anyone who thinks otherwise to stand in a club and take the Pepsi challange to tell the difference for the same song played on vinyl and by a 320 rip.

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Originally posted by Magnus Well said. I'd like to see anyone who thinks otherwise to stand in a club and take the Pepsi challange to tell the difference for the same song played on vinyl and by a 320 rip.

As that quote i posted says 256 is "virtually indistinguishable" from the full quality......

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Originally posted by dinoXpress Tis is the biggest piece of bullsit ive read in a thread my god. If an mp3(320kbps)/wav is recorded directly at the source, straight from the dat, it will sound just as good if not better than anny vinyl. its all digital anyways. The problem is a lot of mp3are converted from the DAT to vinyl to 320 to 192 back to 320 and each step loses sound quality. i guarantee you that if you put it on mp3 direct it would sound as good. I know for a fact a lot of producers use pc only software to record etc, are u trying to say that its gonna sound better AFTER they put it on vinyl? If 2 exact same systems were used, there would be no difference. Unless you are a dog (they have better hearing) you are lying if you still think vinyl sounds better vs. direct 320kbps mp3.

the reason why people say vinyl sounds better then a 320kbps mp3 or even full-cd quality wav, is due to the inherent analog quality of vinyl.....in this i mean that vinyl actually has a slight high frequency roll off at the 15-20 kHz range, in the range where u can't really hear but its there. an analog vinyl recording isn't as flat across the spectrum as a digital recording would be, but it is precisely this difference that adds to the warmth of vinyl and other analog recordings which is why people like it so much. a lot of times, a full quality digital recording is just too "clean" for our ears...you don't want to hear each click and pop of the kick drum...you want the oomph.

basically so....vinyl sounds "better" then digital recordings, but if you want to get technical, a 24/196 dvd quality recording is better "quality" then vinyl...hence the mixup between vinyl is better, cd is better quality...etc. comparing the technical quality of cd and vinyl is a toss-up in my mind, but to most, comparing the listening quality of cd and vinyl, vinyl wins in most cases.

hope that kind of makes it clear without getting too technical...

Again, the 2001 thread posted here is extremely informative. Some very knowlegdeble postings there.

On the argument weither mp3s should be used by DJs, I say that it's probably going to happen more and more and there is nothing we can do but support DJs that use more vinyl. As a bedroom DJ I use many mp3s but I find vinyl to be much more 'fun'. It is easier to beatmatch with as well as manipulate. I also think the sound is better; the acoustics just seem to be more emphasised. I like the description from the 2001 thread that the sound from vinyl is "warmer". There is a couple explinations for this in the thread but I like this one:

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The 'warmer' sound of vinyl (and analogue tape) is because the clipping nature is non-linear. This makes peak signals rounded instead of square which emphasises the 3rd Harmonic of the signal whilst reducing the others and that's the warm sound.

Also to clear up one point a bit more:

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Originally posted by sektile final scratch is a product from stanton, you get 2 vinyls that you literally 'load' mp3s into and you can cue, scratch, cut like a normal vinyl (apparently) - now i havent used it, but ive read a lot of good things about it, for one, Richie Hawtin uses it. but yeah, the plus is obviously being able to have a laptop at a gig with thousands of mp3s...

There isn't a whole lot of info on the Final Scratch website but I know that you don't "literally 'load' mp3s into" vinyls. You hook up the Final Scratch amplifier to your two tables and then connect it two your PC. I'm assuming that the Final Scratch amp is able to interpret your cueing of the 'specific vinyls'. The vinyls probably have information encoded on them to tell the amp when your are reversing/slowing/speeding/playing the vinyl. That way you can use the more natural and popular way of cueing and pitching with the turntables to play your collection of mp3s/wav/'any digital format' on your PC. PvD is one of main promoters of this way of mixing. I saw him live @ Premier in Seattle using this and I must say was one of the best performances I've seen. Ofcourse the sound quality that is theoretically better with vinyl is not there, but I couldn't really tell and PvD was cutting up tracks left and right brilliantly. He was using melodies from some tracks over the basses of others, leaving tracks quickly and extending others when necessary, and I was thoroughly impressed.

I still prefer vinyl DJs actually, but PvD and others may find a niche with the FS and I have no objection to it. Because when it comes right down to it, it's all about the experience you get from the DJs performance and that has to do with how comfortable and experienced he/she is with his/her medium.

^_^

Perhaps this is why DavidScott didn't like this thread.

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Originally posted by DavidScott I am a DJ and I spin only CD. That was not my first choice, but that is how is happened. WIthout MP3, I could not do what I do. I still support the labels and buy CD compliations and CD releases of my favorite artists. As for labels blaming MP3 downloading, that is a complete cop-out. The fact of the matter is if a label puts out quality music, then they will sell. I like many of the tracks that Bonzai has put out in the past, maybe their music is not as attractive to some as it was in the past. The same with some other labels. I understand labels and producers having issues with downloads, but unfortunately that is the way this comunity works. That is the way we live today. One good thing comes out of it..People are listening to their music, enjoying the productions and spreading the love and passion for the music. Maybe it is time for lables to come up with alternative ways to generate money. Planning events, parties and festivals is a good way to generate money and get your name out. This message may piss some people off, and since I don't know how to run a label, my words and ideas may be far off, but to me, this music is spread in various ways. To me, if the music is getting out there, that is the most important thing. If anyone agres or disagrees, please let me know your thoughts D

im sorry but im not buying mp3s. I want the fuckin cubase files, Midi's & accapellas, then we can talk.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 im sorry but im not buying mp3s. I want the fuckin cubase files, Midi's & accapellas, then we can talk.

Um.. most of the time you can't get these.. so.. uh.. what does this have to do with the discussion?

As a n00b, I'd expect people who've been around this forum for more than a couple years to leave their "I'm better than you because of.." bull-shit at the main page. Maybe thats too much to ask on this forum.

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Originally posted by djmetatron As a n00b, I'd expect people who've been around this forum for more than a couple years to leave their "I'm better than you because of.." bull-shit at the main page. Maybe thats too much to ask on this forum.

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Originally posted by b i n k u n the reason why people say vinyl sounds better then a 320kbps mp3 or even full-cd quality wav, is due to the inherent analog quality of vinyl.....in this i mean that vinyl actually has a slight high frequency roll off at the 15-20 kHz range, in the range where u can't really hear but its there. an analog vinyl recording isn't as flat across the spectrum as a digital recording would be, but it is precisely this difference that adds to the warmth of vinyl and other analog recordings which is why people like it so much. a lot of times, a full quality digital recording is just too "clean" for our ears...you don't want to hear each click and pop of the kick drum...you want the oomph. basically so....vinyl sounds "better" then digital recordings, but if you want to get technical, a 24/196 dvd quality recording is better "quality" then vinyl...hence the mixup between vinyl is better, cd is better quality...etc. comparing the technical quality of cd and vinyl is a toss-up in my mind, but to most, comparing the listening quality of cd and vinyl, vinyl wins in most cases. hope that kind of makes it clear without getting too technical...

But if those ranges cant be produced digitally, then nowadays this is a non issue because *nearly* all tracks are produced using mainly digitial.

You are the #1 candidate for the pepsi challenge.

and i bet a shitload vinyl is pressed from some guy bringin a cd into the factory or whatever, and them cutting the vinyl from that.

Unless you are dead sure there is ZERO digital in the mix from original studio --> vinyl. this is a dead issue.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03

Were you not saying that this discussion is moot because you don't use mp3s yourself?

I dunno, maybe I took your post wrong, it's pretty late.

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Originally posted by djmetatron Were you not saying that this discussion is moot because you don't use mp3s yourself? I dunno, maybe I took your post wrong, it's pretty late.

It doesnt matter to me anymore what people play. Its their choice what they feel comfortable with. I just don't see a reason to buy mp3s.

I have my friends cdj sitting on my desk but i havn't felt the need to use it yet.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 It doesnt matter to me anymore what people play. Its their choice what they feel comfortable with. I just don't see a reason to buy mp3s. I have my friends cdj sitting on my desk but i havn't felt the need to use it yet.

Well I'll go out on a limb and say that most people don't 'buy' their mp3s, they get them from.. *cough*.. friends. It's the widest spread music format period and lots of DJs use them, pro or otherwise.

You use cubase, midi's and accapellas instead of mp3s? Now I'm curious, where do you get these files and how do you use them?

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Originally posted by djmetatron You use cubase, midi's and accapellas instead of mp3s? Now I'm curious, where do you get these files and how do you use them?

there is a ta producer midi site, with just about every song there. Acapellas are hard to find. And someday when im not lazy maybe ill go find cubase and mess around with it again. If i was giving cubase files, id jump at the opertunity.

I need the production files for Matthew "i mess up every track with boring melodies" deekay - bad.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 there is a ta producer midi site, with just about every song there. Acapellas are hard to find. And someday when im not lazy maybe ill go find cubase and mess around with it again. If i was giving cubase files, id jump at the opertunity. I need the production files for Matthew "i mess up every track with boring melodies" deekay - bad.

could you tell me this site pls?

and OMG cmon, Bad is prolly my fav production of his, at least the vs Proluctors vers. (not sure if there is another). I actually like the melody... a lot.

Ok get this thread back on topic, heh..

DJs use mp3s.. good or bad?







(..man I gotta get some sleep)

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Originally posted by djmetatron could you tell me this site pls? and OMG cmon, Bad is prolly my fav production of his, at least the vs Proluctors vers. (not sure if there is another). I actually like the melody... a lot. Ok get this thread back on topic, heh.. DJs use mp3s.. good or bad?

I dont get why he would make a deep bassline, then get all fluffy with no direction melodic like the rest of his crap.


check out the first link in this thread up top

Don't most majour djs get all their stuff via promos anyways? Why is this thread even here? I doubt Tiesto is in his basement right now going "ohhh my precious...yessss i just go the new armins and schmulz tracks oooooohhh yeahhhhh oh oh shivers omg i pirate yessss"

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 I dont get why he would make a deep bassline, then get all fluffy with no direction melodic like the rest of his crap. check out the first link in this thread up top

i dunno, i can think of fluffier and more directionless melodies..

*cough* *cough* sandstorm *cough*

j/k

thanks for the link, i will check it out

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Originally posted by placebo Don't most majour djs get all their stuff via promos anyways? Why is this thread even here? I doubt Tiesto is in his basement right now going "ohhh my precious...yessss i just go the new armins and schmulz tracks oooooohhh yeahhhhh oh oh shivers omg i pirate yessss"

lol im sure that Tiesto is also the type that would DL the track is the producer wouldn't give it to him.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 lol im sure that Tiesto is also the type that would DL the track is the producer wouldn't give it to him.

hahaha i love these assumptions

you don't have to buy mp3s. you can get free ones from Netlabels that are by and large meant to be played out to express and promote the freedom of sound.

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Originally posted by dj tek hahaha i love these assumptions

lol you couldn't see tiesto doing that? Then again he'd have Montana or Cor do it for him

I havent read the whole thread, but J00f does this all the time.

A producer uploads a track to him over the internet, he burns it and plays it. He's give info on his forum about bitrates etc and says he does it.

Only legal stuff though, he doesnt download off filesharers. People email him tracks and stuff.

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Originally posted by amit well thing is...if they dont get the mp3 from the ARTIST...then they shouldnt spin it unless they buy it! thats the bottom line.

isnt that what djs do they walk into a club with a case full of cds that are burnt not one of them is real (all are burnt) but its k cuz they got it from the artists. i am with it but i would prefer vinyl anyday tho *VINYL JUNKIE*

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Originally posted by dinoXpress But if those ranges cant be produced digitally, then nowadays this is a non issue because *nearly* all tracks are produced using mainly digitial. You are the #1 candidate for the pepsi challenge. and i bet a shitload vinyl is pressed from some guy bringin a cd into the factory or whatever, and them cutting the vinyl from that. Unless you are dead sure there is ZERO digital in the mix from original studio --> vinyl. this is a dead issue.

i've taken the pepsi challenge before...well..sort of one just between mp3s. if you give me a good set of monitor speakers, i can tell the difference between a 128kbps mp3 and a 256 kbps mp3 file. 256 and 320 i only got right maybe 60-70% of the time. 320 and a wav file was more hit or miss without any chance of correlating the results vs just pure guessing. but that's not the point...

now i didn't say that vinyl was better or what not. and yes, plenty of dance vinyl IS pressed from a CD that some guy brings into the factory. the point in my post was the process of cutting vinyl and mastering to vinyl is not a perfect one...keep in mind it is a fairly old technology. you aren't transferring 1s and 0s (i.e. CD --> CD), you are transferring 1s and 0s to grooves on vinyl; there's no way they can be exact copies. this process produces inherent qualities in the final vinyl copy you receive..among those, the warmth in the low frequencies, less sharp transients, and a dip in the high frequencies.

all i was saying was people often mistake "listening" quality and "technical" quality....vinyl can sound better with out being "technically" better....that was my point.

and back on topic...i don't have anything against DJs that play mp3s, as long as they aren't those that don't buy records and only HAVE mp3s to spin....

128 is def noticeable. it sounds soo crappy

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