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Posted by exstasie on Jun-04-2008 18:00:

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/...h-mcguinty.html

quote:

Liberal bill seeks to abolish cellphone surcharges

Liberal MP David McGuinty has introduced a private member's bill in the House of Commons seeking to abolish the system access fee charged by cellphone providers and enact more rights for customers of telecommunications companies in general.

�System access fees are an obvious frustration for Canadian consumers,� McGuinty said in a release. �We�re talking 21 years and billions of dollars in misleading payments. My bill will end fictitious surcharges on cellphones.�

McGuinty, the MP for Ottawa South and brother of Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty, introduced bill C-555 in the House on Monday. He is the second MP in a week to introduce legislation that seeks additional regulatory oversight of telecommunications companies. Charlie Angus, the NDP MP for Timmins and James Bay in Ontario, last week introduced his "net neutrality" private member's bill that seeks to limit how much control service providers have over internet traffic.

McGuinty's bill, also called the Telecommunications Clarity and Fairness Act, proposes the conditions of holding cellphone spectrum licences be changed "to include a prohibition against the levying of any additional fee or charge that is not part of the subscriber�s monthly fee or monthly plan rate." Cellphone providers would also be required to make available with each service contract a fact sheet that discloses every service being provided and any associated costs...




http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/...ee-1aa6487f9abb

quote:
Unlocked Cell Phones to be Illegal?
he federal Conservatives are set to introduce new copyright legislation that will include provisions to target users with a $500 fine for all illegal files transferred online, a move that legal experts say could see Canadians sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars if found guilty of infringement.

Sources have told the National Post that one of the provisions in the updated Copyright Act of Canada will include a fine for each "personal use download" found to be shared online through peer-to-peer software programs.

Other provisions in the bill, which is said to be tabled in the House of Commons tomorrow afternoon, will include measures to make it illegal to unlock cellphones or copy music from protected CDs to iPods as well as making it illegal to copy "time-shifted" shows on to personal video recorders if flagged by broadcasters...


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jun-04-2008 18:08:

Hahahah, illegal to unlock cellphones? Shut the fuuuuuuck upppp.


Posted by smuncky on Jun-04-2008 18:11:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
Hahahah, illegal to unlock cellphones? Shut the fuuuuuuck upppp.


where's jay??? WHERE'S JAY!!


Posted by rabbitjoker on Jun-04-2008 20:40:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
I'm fed up with my HTC Touch.


Touch Pro just announced with Qualcomm MSM 7201A 528MHz.


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jun-04-2008 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Touch Pro just announced with Qualcomm MSM 7201A 528MHz.


...and an awful resistive touchscreen, with piss-poor video acceleration which still results in a bloody awful user experience in my opinion.

Not to mention it's tri-band only, which makes it a poor choice for us here. If it was quad-band, had a capcitive touchscreen and proper video acceleration drivers, I'd be all over it.


Posted by rabbitjoker on Jun-04-2008 21:18:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
...and an awful resistive touchscreen, with piss-poor video acceleration which still results in a bloody awful user experience in my opinion.

Not to mention it's tri-band only, which makes it a poor choice for us here. If it was quad-band, had a capcitive touchscreen and proper video acceleration drivers, I'd be all over it.


Sounds like you want a phone that gives it all (including reach arounds...).


Posted by Orko on Jun-04-2008 22:08:

This cell phone unlocking business is just the tip of the iceberg. They want the ability to search your iPod and media devices at the border, and make ripping CD's illegal!

quote:
Secret ACTA treaty may include ISP filtering

ISP filtering of "pirated" material is a controversial measure that would be tough to push through a national legislature in the US, EU, Japan, Korea, or Canada, what with all those pesky "voters" with their concerns about privacy, fair use, and false positives. But sneaking the provision into a trade agreement? Much easier.

The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) has been negotiated in secret by trade negotiators from rich countries around the globe. Despite the recent leak of a four-page memo on possible ACTA provisions, no draft text (or details of any kind, really) have emerged from the process. Google's William Patry, a top US copyright lawyer, now says that anonymous sources close to the ACTA process have slipped him more details on the plan, and they don't sound good.

Bring on the filters
Writing on his blog yesterday, Patry noted that two separate sources talked about filtering. "The rumors of what is in the draft are pretty much all bad and the scope is growing, not shrinking," said one. "It is even said that the latest version has filtering language in it."The second report was similar.

ACTA negotiators are meeting in Geneva this week to hash out more details of the proposed deal, but their work is already generating furious online opposition from people like Patry, who thunders, "The attitude of USTR [United States Trade Representative] toward copyright is a blinkered, one-sided view that copyright is good and therefore as much of it as possible is even better."

A shroud of secrecy
Critics are blasting the secret nature of the proceedings, which they see as a way to negotiate and sign a "trade" deal which will then be presented to national legislatures as something already done.

"This 'patriot act' for intellectual property 'crimes' may be one of the late legacies of the Bush Administration," writes James Love of the Consumer Project on Technology. "It would be nice to have more transparency about such a far-reaching and important global trade agreement."

Patry agrees that "we do not want our trade representatives to negotiate on their own agreements that require changes in domestic copyright laws and then present the agreement after signature to the legislature as a fait d'accompli."

Alan Story, a Senior Lecturer in Intellectual Property Law at the UK's University of Kent, objects not just to the secret process behind ACTA but also to the idea that stronger copyright is better copyright.

"Where do we read about how copyright blocks access to books or leads to ever greater commodification and sameness in our culture?" he asks. "Instead, we are regularly carpet-bombed by the latest revelation, accompanied by statistically unreliable surveys, as to how piracy is, one week, killing the music industry, and the next week, the film industry. Lock �em up, cut off their Internet access forever, piracy funds terrorist cells: the articles never cease in this steady drip after drip."

Because of the secrecy, though, it's hard even to criticize ACTA; no one yet knows what it might say. But if Patry's sources are correct, the agreement may go far beyond "fighting fakes" (as the USTR said last year) and could attempt to force new, tougher IP provisions on everyone who signs up.

Such a policy, negotiated at institutions like the World Trade Organization (WTO), would require more transparency and would be certain to raise more objections from countries and civil society groups. By forming its own club and including only select countries in the draft, ACTA can remain both secret and totally pro-copyright. That's a bad combination.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...provisions.html


quote:
Copyright bill faces obstacles
TORONTO and OTTAWA � The federal government is on the verge of tabling new copyright legislation, but already sources in Ottawa say there is little chance the proposed changes will be passed under a minority government.

Industry Minister Jim Prentice told reporters yesterday that he will not table the legislation until he is satisfied it contains "the appropriate balance." Meanwhile, Ottawa insiders were told yesterday the legislation will not be tabled until next week.

With Parliament set to break soon for summer, however, two sources close to the matter indicated the legislation is expected to be left to die by the minority Conservative government, rather than attempting to implement any controversial rules or penalties for illegal downloading.

"It's not going to see the light of day," said one Ottawa lobbyist. "Copyright legislation is so contentious in its nature, that for any minority government it is extraordinarily difficult to find a balance that is actually going to have a chance of adoption."

The government has promised a number of organizations, including the Canadian Independent Record Production Association (CIRPA), that the new legislation would be tabled before the House of Commons breaks for the summer.

"We've been assured that something will emerge in this session," said Duncan McKie, president and chief executive of CIRPA. "But it's obvious that even if the bill were introduced now there's clearly little time before the summer break to deal with it, so I expect that we won't get to the serious business of discussing the specific issues until this fall."

The government is under pressure from foreign governments and a number of lobby groups to update the aging Copyright Act of Canada with legislation that would make it easier to track and punish consumers who infringe copyrights by burning CDs and ripping movies.

This isn't the first time the Conservative government has tried to update Canada's copyright legislation, which was last overhauled in 1997.

In December, 2006, new legislation was derailed and eventually scrapped after a grassroots Internet campaign protested against the new rules amid fears they too closely resembled the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which has been criticized as being unfairly stacked against consumers.

Reports suggest that the updated Canadian legislation, which Ottawa insiders say is likely to surface either Tuesday or Wednesday next week, could lead to consumers facing fines of as much as $500 for every illegal file they download from the Internet. It could also make it illegal to unlock cellphones, transfer music from CDs to digital music players such as iPods, or copy time shifted television programs.

Last week a leaked document revealed that the Conservatives are also negotiating with a number of other governments, including the U.S. and the European Union, to establish a new international copyright agreement, dubbed the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA).

The new agreement would allow border guards and other security officials to inspect devices such as laptops and iPods for music, videos and other media that violates copyright laws. Any devices found to contain copyright-infringing material could be confiscated, or even destroyed, leading to fines for their owners.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...Technology/home


Posted by exstasie on Jun-04-2008 22:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
This cell phone unlocking business is just the tip of the iceberg. They want the ability to search your iPod and media devices at the border, and make ripping CD's illegal!



and there goes my life down the drain


Posted by magikb on Jun-05-2008 00:42:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
Hahahah, illegal to unlock cellphones? Shut the fuuuuuuck upppp.


No kidding... shit, this is the first BB that I have bought that hasn't been unlocked. I swear by it. It is so they can rape us some more on our roaming charges in other countries. IMAGINE THAT!


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jun-05-2008 01:37:

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Sounds like you want a phone that gives it all (including reach arounds...).


Well why can't we have a no compromise phone?

Samsung F480 is THE phone... Quick interface, capacitive screen, haptic feedback and there is apparently a quad-band version coming out in a few months.

So, I'll probably wait for that.


Posted by dEsidEL on Jun-05-2008 03:04:

quote:
Originally posted by exstasie
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/...h-mcguinty.html





http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/...ee-1aa6487f9abb




hilarious .. David McGuinty's (Liberals) bill in the first article proposes to make it illegal for providers to lock phones to their networks, while in the second article the Conservatives propose to make it illegal to unlock them.

Go Team First bill!

ps. I also found it funny that McGuinty only saw it as a problem (the whole SAF and 'hidden' fees issue) when his daughter's cell phone bill was surcharged an additional $50 and he was given roadblocks by the provider when they tried to cancel her plan LOL


Posted by Cyrus King on Jun-05-2008 07:07:

I truly hope the Rogers corporation burns in hell.

When are we going to have a real competitive market?

When are the fucking idiots at the CRTC going to change the laws so that world wide investment from Global corporations that dont RAPE its customers, get in on the action here in Canada.

T-Mobile wanted to launch here.. but they cant becuase the company has to be 51% Canadian owned!!

We will be stuck with the SHIT HEADS we have here.

One day.. hopefully... i cant wait to see ROBBERS go down..

Its not fair that they control the GSM market.


Posted by Pett on Jun-05-2008 17:19:

finally secured telus epp plan.

I suggest calling your respective loyalty departments asap.
Everyone seems to be giving out these plans now.


Posted by Jem_hadar on Jun-05-2008 18:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Pett
finally secured telus epp plan.

I suggest calling your respective loyalty departments asap.
Everyone seems to be giving out these plans now.


what are the specs, pett?


Posted by exstasie on Jun-05-2008 18:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Pett
finally secured telus epp plan.

I suggest calling your respective loyalty departments asap.
Everyone seems to be giving out these plans now.


I got the rogers EPP about a month ago! Couldn't ask for much more!


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jun-05-2008 19:42:

quote:
Originally posted by exstasie
I got the rogers EPP about a month ago! Couldn't ask for much more!



Do tell.

I've got:

250 daytime mins
Unltd evenings/weekends at 5pm
2500 texts
1000 pic/video messages
10MB internet
caller ID
whocalled
namedisplay

$30/mo + fees and taxes.

Is it better than this?


Posted by exstasie on Jun-05-2008 19:49:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
Do tell.

I've got:

250 daytime mins
Unltd evenings/weekends at 5pm
2500 texts
1000 pic/video messages
10MB internet
caller ID
whocalled
namedisplay

$30/mo + fees and taxes.

Is it better than this?


Dear god no..but probably close.

Its $17.50 a month for

250 Daytime minutes
Unlimited Evenings/Weekends starting @ 6pm.

I believe there is a plan for $15 which adds all of the other stuff...so it might be somewhat comparable...but looks like yours is a bit better lol


Posted by Jem_hadar on Jun-05-2008 20:06:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
Do tell.

I've got:

250 daytime mins
Unltd evenings/weekends at 5pm
2500 texts
1000 pic/video messages
10MB internet
caller ID
whocalled
namedisplay

$30/mo + fees and taxes.

Is it better than this?


Sounds like my Solo plan for $35.

But only have 1,000 texts, 25 pic/video messages, and no internet.


What is "whocalled"? And how is "namedisplay" different from "caller ID" ??


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jun-05-2008 20:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Jem_hadar
Sounds like my Solo plan for $35.

But only have 1,000 texts, 25 pic/video messages, and no internet.


What is "whocalled"? And how is "namedisplay" different from "caller ID" ??


Whocalled sends me a text message with the number of the person that called me, if I miss a call or if my phone is off and somebody tries to call me.

Namedisplay shows the name of the person registered to that phoneline instead of just their number, so its like Caller ID ++.


Posted by Pett on Jun-05-2008 20:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Jem_hadar
what are the specs, pett?

17.30 /month
200 daytime
6pm e/w unlimited
unlimited text
caller id
voicemail 3

2 year contract

if your lucky and get a good sales rep or add more years you can get
up to 450 daytime minutes
unlimited incoming
telus 2 telus
my favs
ect.

total
17.30 + 6.95(saf) + .75(911) + tax = 28.50 month

you have to call retentions/loyalty department


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jun-05-2008 20:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Pett
17.30 /month
200 daytime
6pm e/w unlimited
unlimited text
caller id
voicemail 3

2 year contract

if your lucky and get a good sales rep or add more years you can get
up to 450 daytime minutes
unlimited incoming
telus 2 telus
my favs
ect.

total
17.30 + 6.95(saf) + .75(911) + tax = 28.50 month

you have to call retentions/loyalty department



That's a pretty serious plan, Pett. Too bad it's Telus.


Posted by Jem_hadar on Jun-05-2008 20:38:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
Whocalled sends me a text message with the number of the person that called me, if I miss a call or if my phone is off and somebody tries to call me.


Oh. OK. I konw what ur talking about. Vee gets those texts msgs. (funny enough, she hates that feature though, got it turned off, drives her nuts.)

quote:

Namedisplay shows the name of the person registered to that phoneline instead of just their number, so its like Caller ID ++.


Namedisplay = sounds like what like "call display" is a land line then. It shows you who is registered to phoneline.


Where as "caller ID" in all my phones only lists the NAME of the contact attached to that number if you have them saved in ur phone.

(WHICH BTW, i think is GAY... if someone has the fucking person calling SAVED in my contact list already, i dont think one should have to pay extra just to have the darn phone connect the incoming number to the persons name that is already programmed in the phone! That should just be the way it works, you'd think)

Note: what is the point of having Caller ID on this plan then if you alreayd have namedisplay? (which is, as you said, like "caller ID++" ??? )


Posted by smuncky on Jun-05-2008 20:47:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
That's a pretty serious plan, Pett. Too bad it's Telus.



other companies usually match that offer. there's a whole thread on it in the hot deals section on RFD.


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jun-05-2008 21:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Jem_hadar
Note: what is the point of having Caller ID on this plan then if you alreayd have namedisplay? (which is, as you said, like "caller ID++" ??? )


Caller ID is great for people you have in your phone's contact list beacuse you can have pictures of them show up or whatever. Namedisplay shows the name or company of somebody calling you that is not in your list.

It's stupid, yes, but I don't pay extra for it.


Posted by exstasie on Jun-05-2008 22:04:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
Caller ID is great for people you have in your phone's contact list beacuse you can have pictures of them show up or whatever. Namedisplay shows the name or company of somebody calling you that is not in your list.

It's stupid, yes, but I don't pay extra for it.


yeah, its weird, but its nice.

I get NameDisplay for Free as well, and it actually has come in handy a few times when some of my friends who've called me from their house instead of home, it displays their family name so I know its them...

Since I do screen my calls because i use to get random calls from people i didn't want to talk to lol


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