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| Originally posted by psychosomatica http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/25/D8J39A4O0.html I want to see someone justify this one... good luck. |
these Hiz guys are geniuses
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| BEIRUT, Lebanon - A senior Hezbollah official said Tuesday the guerrilla group did not expect Israel to react so strongly to its capture of two Israeli soldiers. Mahmoud Komati, deputy chief of Hezbollah�s political arm, also told The Associated Press in an interview that his group will not lay down arms. �The truth is � let me say this clearly � we didn�t even expect (this) response.... that (Israel) would exploit this operation for this big war against us,� said Komati. He said Hezbollah had expected �the usual, limited response� from Israel to the July 12 cross-border raid, in which three Israelis were killed. In the past, he said, Israeli responses to Hezbollah actions included sending commandos into Lebanon to seize Hezbollah officials or briefly targeting specific Hezbollah strongholds. He said the Shiite group had anticipated there would be negotiations on exchanging the Israeli soldiers for three Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails, with Germany acting as a mediator as it did before. >source< |
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| Originally said by someone Israel needs to publicly say - this response will now be considered the standard response. One missle, one suicide bomber, and Israel will come in and blow up your shit like you never thought possible - 20 years back was so that you could comprehend the setback - how about setting you back 500 years or maybe 1000? Israel will strike back 1000 times the blow you reach out with until you learn to live in peace with Israel. If you want war, Israel will be happy to deliver it right to your doorstep in 30 minutes or less or the next GPS guided warhead is free......... |
-55 out of 56 bridges destroyed
-international airport destroyed
-the whole south of beirut turned to rubble
-over 800,000 people displaced
-over 400 innocent civilians killed (over 30% children and two thirds of them familes)
-whole villages destroyed.
-Every single major road has been carpeted bombed
-major oil spil causing Enviromental catastrophe
-IDF bombed 40% of Lebanons oil supplies.
-every port bombed
-hospitals bombed
-every petrol station in the south bombed
-thousands of civilain homes destroyed
-red cross amblances bombed
The facts speak for themselves...For what? 2 kidnapped soldiers? The israelis have a lot to answer for. The first being war crimes.
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| Originally posted by Paulie -55 out of 56 bridges destroyed -international airport destroyed -the whole south of beirut turned to rubble -over 800,000 people displaced -over 400 innocent civilians killed (over 30% children and two thirds of them familes) -whole villages destroyed. -Every single major road has been carpeted bombed -major oil spil causing Enviromental catastrophe -IDF bombed 40% of Lebanons oil supplies. -every port bombed -hospitals bombed -every petrol station in the south bombed -thousands of civilain homes destroyed -red cross amblances bombed The facts speak for themselves...For what? 2 kidnapped soldiers? The israelis have a lot to answer for. The first being war crimes. |
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| Originally posted by Paulie For what? 2 kidnapped soldiers? |
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| Originally posted by tathi It's abhorrent what they're doing to Lebanon; this Israeli State-Sanctioned Terrorism is worse than Hezbollah's terrorist attacks, I hope the leaders of the IDF and Hezbollah are all tried for crimes against humanity |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo no. for the right of Israel and Lebanon to live in peace. thats for what. the proxy war must end. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo it's a quite noble fantasy world you live in. but it's just that. |
Im not one for conspiracy theories, never have been, nor do I ever like to get involved in political discussions due to my passive nature, however the current conflict has given me no choice.
I'd just like to begin by saying that the very premise Israel began its absolute barrage of Lebanon is very bemusing, which has led me to believe that there is a far greater agenda than simply destablising Hezballah. As most of you know and as mentioned, the cold peace between Israel and Hezballah for the last six years since the Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon has seen many instances of soldier/civilian kidnappings from both sides in exchange for their respected captives. Israel (before the current conflict) has without hesitation negotiated these exchanges without the use of its present "strategy". With seemingly no end to the hostilities, one should consider Israel's ultimate goal.
You can automatically rule out the fear of shite block being created throughout the middle east as the majority of the Arab nations are ruled by sunni/pro American governments.
Another consideration would be oil/resources. However, with the current "democracy" in Iraq and America's close ties with Osama's home town Saudi, Israel clearly stands to benefit the most. Lebanon presents no vantage when it comes to resources! In the 22 years of Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon, the place was bled dry!
so why now? why the complete disregard for human life? over two soldiers which were obviously not supposed to be where they were!
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| A senior Hezbollah official said Tuesday the guerrilla group did not expect Israel to react so strongly to its capture of two Israeli soldiers. ... "The truth is - let me say this clearly - we didn't even expect (this) response.... that (Israel) would exploit this operation for this big war against us," said Komati. He said Hezbollah had expected "the usual, limited response" from Israel after the two soldiers were seized by guerrillas on Israel's side of the border on July 12. |
It's just the age old debate. DO the ends justify the means???
I doubt things will be better in the end, but i guess there's a lot of people out there who just assume taht it will be, and these people are the ones who think the ISraeli's are doing OK.
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| Originally posted by ronk http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060725...hting_hezbollah they think of this situation like a 'game' - it's like "we kidnap, then negotiate (hey, we only want terrorists and murderers, not a big deal), end of the game. see ya in a month, when we kidnap more soldiers." |
He said Hezbollah captured the Israeli soldiers from a military area, but charged that Israelis had taken Hezbollah leaders from their homes at night.
"The response is unjustified," Komati said. He claimed the Israeli offensive was planned in advance, and Israel was only "waiting for the right time" to carry it out
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| Originally posted by S_madis oh so the Lebanese nationals held in Israeli captive WITHOUT TRIAL, WITHOUT LEGEAL RIGHTS due to Israel's complete disregard for the Geneva conventions doesn't mean anything to you! |
yeah surely im not saying that everyone of your close to 10,000 prisoners/captives/detainees is an angel. But lets look at this simple fact which im sure you are aware of:
- The Israeli supreme court in 1998 declared that the capture of Lebanese nationals are deemed "hostages for bargain".
So Israel can detain hostages and use them as bargaining chips, but when the situation is reversed Lebanon is pounded into ruins! Double standards? no because we have the right to "defend ourselves".
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| Originally posted by Paulie -55 out of 56 bridges destroyed -international airport destroyed -the whole south of beirut turned to rubble -over 800,000 people displaced -over 400 innocent civilians killed (over 30% children and two thirds of them familes) -whole villages destroyed. -Every single major road has been carpeted bombed -major oil spil causing Enviromental catastrophe -IDF bombed 40% of Lebanons oil supplies. -every port bombed -hospitals bombed -every petrol station in the south bombed -thousands of civilain homes destroyed -red cross amblances bombed The facts speak for themselves...For what? 2 kidnapped soldiers? The israelis have a lot to answer for. The first being war crimes. |
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| Originally posted by tathi It's abhorrent what they're doing to Lebanon; this Israeli State-Sanctioned Terrorism is worse than Hezbollah's terrorist attacks. |
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| Originally posted by Paulie -55 out of 56 bridges destroyed -international airport destroyed -the whole south of beirut turned to rubble -over 800,000 people displaced -over 400 innocent civilians killed (over 30% children and two thirds of them familes) -whole villages destroyed. -Every single major road has been carpeted bombed -major oil spil causing Enviromental catastrophe -IDF bombed 40% of Lebanons oil supplies. -every port bombed -hospitals bombed -every petrol station in the south bombed -thousands of civilain homes destroyed -red cross amblances bombed The facts speak for themselves...For what? 2 kidnapped soldiers? The israelis have a lot to answer for. The first being war crimes. |
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| Originally posted by tathi I know it's a fantasy world, if there was any justice Arial Sharon would have been tried for war crimes before he slipped into a vegetative state :/ |
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| Originally posted by Paulie -55 out of 56 bridges destroyed -international airport destroyed -the whole south of beirut turned to rubble -over 800,000 people displaced -over 400 innocent civilians killed (over 30% children and two thirds of them familes) -whole villages destroyed. -Every single major road has been carpeted bombed -major oil spil causing Enviromental catastrophe -IDF bombed 40% of Lebanons oil supplies. -every port bombed -hospitals bombed -every petrol station in the south bombed -thousands of civilain homes destroyed -red cross amblances bombed The facts speak for themselves...For what? 2 kidnapped soldiers? The israelis have a lot to answer for. The first being war crimes. |
I am sick and tired of this 'terrorism/terrorist' bullshit, after seeing so many innocent people dying after 9/11, twenty times the number of people dead in 9/11 deserve to die more in US.
This world needs a fuckin new world order, people and countries at top have become corrupted. This cannot and will not sustain like this for too long.
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| Originally posted by Purple I am sick and tired of this 'terrorism/terrorist' bullshit, after seeing so many innocent people dying after 9/11, twenty times the number of people dead in 9/11 deserve to die more in US. This world needs a fuckin new world order, people and countries at top have become corrupted. This cannot and will not sustain like this for too long. |
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| Originally posted by BiG-_BoSS I agree with you that countries are corrupt and that we need a new world order one that allows for people around the world to prosper economically and allows people to feel safe and causes stability around the world. However, such an order won't come until people wake up and see what is happening. |
Luckily for the Israeli's the U.N. doenst have the same thinking as the IDF, or the U.N. would be bombing the shit outta Israel in revenge & to thier 40 kills for thier 4 deaths.
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| "Demanding �Peace� By Yisrael Ne�eman From Saturday afternoon through Sunday morning it was the turn of the anti-war activists to get into the act with demonstrations in Tel Aviv involving about 1,000 people. Most were from the Communist Party (Arab and Jewish membership) and Arab Lists. The basic message is, �We want peace and an immediate cease-fire. In the end there will be negotiations so let�s begin now and save all the human suffering.� Sounds very reasonable, supposedly � until everything is put into context. Two weeks ago with no provocation Hezbollah opened fire, killed eight soldiers, abducted another two and Israel is expected to negotiate for their release. Over the past six years at least, the Islamists were gearing up for a major war. With the opening of the attack, the extreme Jewish Left and a good portion of Israeli Arabs talked �peace�. Prof. Ilan Pappe, one of the most rabidly anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian academics anywhere appeared on TV in a panel discussion to condemn Israeli actions and demand �peace�. During the debate he was forced to admit that his solution to the problem was the elimination of the Jewish State. Another Jew, MK Dov Hanin (Communist) was not far behind in another media encounter the next day. Demanding �negotiations and peace� is just a euphemism for a pro-Hezbollah, anti-Israel stance. Calling for peace, negotiations and the immediate halt to hostilities in the midst of Israeli military activities is the best way to ensure a Hezbollah victory. The small minority of extremist Jews are the fa�ade for many Israeli Arabs and their elected leaders like Arab Nationalist Movement MK Ahmed Tibi (formerly a top advisor to Yasir Arafat) and Balad MK Azmi Bashara whose sympathies lay with the Hezbollah, to hide behind when taking staunchly anti-Israel positions and projecting them as perfectly innocent of any foreign influence. The above mentioned supported the Palestinian Authority and the Arafat initiated conflict against Israel in the fall of 2000 and further encouraged Israeli Arabs to take a radical anti-Israel stand which led to ten days of rioting in October the same year. Then they screamed for Israeli concessions to Palestinian demands, not for peace. After all, at the outset it seemed the Palestinians gained the upper hand. In short, they hypocritically demand peace when it suits their interests. Nor do they represent the overwhelming majority of Israeli Arabs as many would like to claim. In a poll done by Teleseker in the Hebrew daily Ma�ariv at the end of last week 95% of Israel�s overall population considered the government's response to be �justified and correct� while only 4% objected. Israel�s Arabic speaking sector comprises 19-20% of the whole. There were claims of discrimination in Nazareth concerning the safety of Israel�s Arab population in the face of rocket attacks after two small children were killed by Hezbollah shelling. True, the city does not have the shelters necessary and there was no warning of an attack. Although it does not absolve the state of its responsibility, there was no expectation that Hezbollah would fire at Nazareth and the sirens did not sound because they were disconnected by the mayor�s office so as not to be heard on Memorial Day for Israel�s fallen soldiers. Mayor Jareesi is completely guilty for the alarm system failure, but no Arab leader will say so. The father of the two children blamed the State of Israel for their deaths and declared them �shahids� (martyrs) for the cause. Hassan Nasrallah is in the clear. On the other hand there are those who condemn Hezbollah openly, but they are not the Israeli Arab leadership. When a Christian Arab carpenter from Iblin was killed by a rocket in Haifa while at work, everyone made clear Nasrallah�s responsibility and refused to speak of martyrdom. In Marar yesterday a Moslem teenager was killed and it seems her parents are in a quandary as whether to consider her a �shahid� or not. Israeli Arabs are often caught in a very difficult situation as a result of conflicting national, cultural and religious loyalties. But this does not absolve anyone of straight thinking. The moderates are silent for fear of incurring the wrath of the radicals and their emissaries as represented by the more vocal leadership. How many Christian or even Moslem Arabs support Nasrallah�s Khomeinist �Party of Allah� in its demands for Islamic Shi�ite world domination? Or are there those who just want to damage the Jewish State as much as possible. Like most, Israeli Arabs will go with the winner. The conflict with the Palestinians and the rise of the radical Hamas, coupled with the development of the Hezbollah terror army, its mini-state in south Lebanon and its challenge to Israel and the central government in Beirut emboldened the Islamic extremists of all stripes and forced Israeli Arab moderates to take a back seat. The larger a clear cut victory the IDF will obtain against the Hezbollah, the greater the impact there will be on the Arab political leadership in Israel. The provocative and notorious anti-Israel positions taken by a few Jews is not worth emulating if Arabs in Israel want their long overdue full integration into the state. Dealing the Hezbollah and Hamas a decisive defeat will have a moderating influence on Israeli Arabs. Such an impact will be beneficial to Jews and Arabs alike and certainly encourage the government and state apparatus to rectify many of the inequalities claimed to be suffered by the Arab community. Israeli Arab support for the Hezbollah, whether overt or otherwise, will only lead to more suspicion and alienation from mainstream Israeli society. "Media War" Victims Thousands of the poorest, least fortunate Israelis from the Galilee and Haifa are living in bomb shelters for most of the past two weeks. These are the elderly, the immigrants with no relatives in the center of the country or the Negev, the handicapped and in general those on the bottom rungs of the socio-economic ladder who cannot even afford a bus ticket. Not only are many of the shelters poorly equipped but in certain cases there is a basic lack of food in addition to the sweltering conditions of mid-July. CNN and the foreign media have finally done human interest stories about Israel�s �humanitarian crisis�. It is almost as if the government (and right wing opposition) are breathing a sigh of relief. Israel can now compete in the �media war� and prove that we too have a mass of unfortunate civilian victims of the conflict besides the direct casualties of the Hezbollah rocket attacks. No doubt that the Hezbollah is responsible for all the suffering on both sides. With that point now made, we should all get past the cynical usage of hungry bomb shelter residents as our front line commandos in winning the �media war�. Is there any reason they cannot be supplied with food, clothing, fans or where possible even air conditioners by the civil and military authorities responsible? Justice and the social cohesion of the State of Israel (greatly undermined) and the Jewish People in the aftermath of the war are of much greater importance than showing off �our casualties� in the media war. |
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| Originally posted by Paulie -55 out of 56 bridges destroyed -international airport destroyed -the whole south of beirut turned to rubble -over 800,000 people displaced -over 400 innocent civilians killed (over 30% children and two thirds of them familes) -whole villages destroyed. -Every single major road has been carpeted bombed -major oil spil causing Enviromental catastrophe -IDF bombed 40% of Lebanons oil supplies. -every port bombed -hospitals bombed -every petrol station in the south bombed -thousands of civilain homes destroyed -red cross amblances bombed The facts speak for themselves...For what? 2 kidnapped soldiers? The israelis have a lot to answer for. The first being war crimes. |
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| Originally posted by jonSun Luckily for the Israeli's the U.N. doenst have the same thinking as the IDF, or the U.N. would be bombing the shit outta Israel in revenge & to thier 40 kills for thier 4 deaths. |
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