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Rose summed it up pretty well.

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�It�s extremely hard,� Rose acknowledged, �when a 6-8 guy can easily defend you.�

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Originally posted by srussell0018 They still don't have anybody that can guard Dirk, and their bigs don't match up well with Dallas at all. At the same time though, Dallas doesn't really have anybody who matches up well with Wade or Lebron. That would be an interesting series.

Udonis Haslem can guard Dirk. Hell...with the way Lebron is playing I wouldn't be surprised if he guarded him.

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Originally posted by Renzo What a game. HOLY CRAP. I seriously did not think the Heat could win with Wade struggling so bad. Bosh and Bron stepped it up, as did Mike Miller. Finally. On to game 5. The series is not over yet.

hate to say it but it is

bulls cant muster 3 wins in a row vs the heat



noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Udonis Haslem can guard Dirk. Hell...with the way Lebron is playing I wouldn't be surprised if he guarded him.

Haslem can't guard Dirk and it would be foolish to put Lebron on Dirk imo. Dirk can still shoot over Lebron. Plus that would likely get Lebron in foul trouble too.

Either way, I think that serious would be great, and hopefully would go 7 games.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Haslem can't guard Dirk and it would be foolish to put Lebron on Dirk imo. Dirk can still shoot over Lebron. Plus that would likely get Lebron in foul trouble too. Either way, I think that serious would be great, and hopefully would go 7 games.

Lebron could definitely guard Dirk pretty well, making sure he doesn't get good looks at the basket, but Bosh would probably be the only choice here, since Dirk can create his own shot like nobody else.

Mike Brown to LA makes me scratch my head.

I don't see him and Kobe meshing. At all.

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Originally posted by Renzo Mike Brown to LA makes me scratch my head. I don't see him and Kobe meshing. At all.

I never thought he was a good coach to begin with. Anyone can win 50-60 games a year in the East with Lebron. Now lets see him coach under the L.A. spotlight with veterans who understand the game better than he does.

Strange choice IMO

Maybe they thought that since he was able to handle Lebron's ego (for the most part) he'd be able to handle Kobe's. If he could win that much with Lebron and a bunch of scrubs, I'm sure he'll be successful with a team like the Lakers.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Maybe they thought that since he was able to handle Lebron's ego (for the most part) he'd be able to handle Kobe's. If he could win that much with Lebron and a bunch of scrubs, I'm sure he'll be successful with a team like the Lakers.

I don't know if he "handled" Lebron's ego... he was just so much of a push over that no problems ever materialized between them. He never challenged Lebron (at least it appears that way). Maybe it's just a coincidence, but only 1 year later with Pat Reilly pulling the strings, we see a more humble and all-around developed player in Lebron.

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Originally posted by The17sss I don't know if he "handled" Lebron's ego... he was just so much of a push over that no problems ever materialized between them. He never challenged Lebron (at least it appears that way). Maybe it's just a coincidence, but only 1 year later with Pat Reilly pulling the strings, we see a more humble and all-around developed player in Lebron.

I don't think it has so much to do with Pat Reilly as it does with him actually being on a good team for the first time in his career. He was "the man" in Cleveland, so the amount of pressure on him was unbelievable. He didn't really have the chance to become a complete player in Cleveland because he was being forced to try and score 40+ points every game.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 I don't think it has so much to do with Pat Reilly as it does with him actually being on a good team for the first time in his career. He was "the man" in Cleveland, so the amount of pressure on him was unbelievable. He didn't really have the chance to become a complete player in Cleveland because he was being forced to try and score 40+ points every game.

I agree

Apparently, Kobe had no say in the hire. I don't think he will respect Mike Brown at all. Shit, he could barely respect Phil Jackson, why the fuck would he give MB the time of day?

And that is why Kobe should never be even considered as one of the best players in NBA history. He'll never even be in the top 10 imo, no matter how many rings he ends his career with. He's a classless, dirty player, and I would imagine the only reason anybody tolerates him at all is because he's a great basketball player. He's just a complete scumbag imo, and I wish him the worst for the rest of his career.

Like Lakers management needs to run their decisions by Kobe first? Give me a fucking break. Such a whiny prima donna. You'd think he plays in the WNBA by the way he acts.

1. Kobe definitely respected Phil. They just bumped heads a lot because Kobe is Kobe.
2. Regardless what you think of him, Kobe is a top-10 player.

Top 10 right now of course. I just would never consider him in the top 10 players of all time, and even objectively looking at it, there are many more players who deserve to be in the top 10 of all time before Kobe.

I'd like to know just what the hell offense the Lakers are planning to run.

The Pass the ball to Lebron offense of course!

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Originally posted by Renzo I'd like to know just what the hell offense the Lakers are planning to run.

Mike Brown: "OK guys....." *claps hands* "Uh......uh, do what you did last year. Yes. But better." *claps furiously*

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Originally posted by srussell0018 And that is why Kobe should never be even considered as one of the best players in NBA history. He'll never even be in the top 10 imo, no matter how many rings he ends his career with. He's a classless, dirty player, and I would imagine the only reason anybody tolerates him at all is because he's a great basketball player. He's just a complete scumbag imo, and I wish him the worst for the rest of his career. Like Lakers management needs to run their decisions by Kobe first? Give me a fucking break. Such a whiny prima donna. You'd think he plays in the WNBA by the way he acts.

This is crap. Your personal animus is clearly getting in the way of objectivity here. I would say Kobe is a top 5 player all time, easy. He is the best all around player I've seen since Jordan (Lebron doesn't count yet). Is he so different from Michael Jordan? No. Michael was a PRICK, rarely got along with teammates, even punched Steve Kerr in the face during practice. He had several infidelities (why do you think his wife left him?), major gambling issues, and remembered every slight, real or perceived, against every player in the league as a way to motivate himself and get retribution on the court. I think a major difference is that Jordan didn't play in the era of the Internet, twitter, camera phones, and all that shit that would end up on Deadspin.com in 30 seconds.

We romanticize Jordan when we think of Spike Lee doing the Nike commercials, when we think of Space Jam, and the trillions of endorsements where he was the public face of the league always smiling. But he was one of the most surly, salty, primma donnas in the game and especially on his own team. He couldn't even go out with class in his Hall of Fame retirement speech where he even paid for people to be there just so he could dress them down in public for shit that happened 20 and 30 years ago! The fact of the matter is, most of the great ones are like that... they don't care about anything but winning. And that's why the do it so much. It's not about who can be the most accommodating teammate or who's the nicest/classiest guy... none of that matters. W.I.N.N.I.N.G. That is why Kobe is an indisputable all time great... with the numbers to back it up. Fuck man, I'm a Celtics guy and even I can admit it!

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Originally posted by srussell0018 And that is why Kobe should never be even considered as one of the best players in NBA history. He'll never even be in the top 10 imo, no matter how many rings he ends his career with. He's a classless, dirty player, and I would imagine the only reason anybody tolerates him at all is because he's a great basketball player. He's just a complete scumbag imo, and I wish him the worst for the rest of his career. Like Lakers management needs to run their decisions by Kobe first? Give me a fucking break. Such a whiny prima donna. You'd think he plays in the WNBA by the way he acts.

After all, you are a fucking moron.

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Originally posted by bananas After all, you are a fucking moron.

Stop crying because you tried to suck my dick and I punched you in the jaw.

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Originally posted by The17sss This is crap. Your personal animus is clearly getting in the way of objectivity here. I would say Kobe is a top 5 player all time, easy. He is the best all around player I've seen since Jordan (Lebron doesn't count yet). Is he so different from Michael Jordan? No. Michael was a PRICK, rarely got along with teammates, even punched Steve Kerr in the face during practice. He had several infidelities (why do you think his wife left him?), major gambling issues, and remembered every slight, real or perceived, against every player in the league as a way to motivate himself and get retribution on the court. I think a major difference is that Jordan didn't play in the era of the Internet, twitter, camera phones, and all that shit that would end up on Deadspin.com in 30 seconds. We romanticize Jordan when we think of Spike Lee doing the Nike commercials, when we think of Space Jam, and the trillions of endorsements where he was the public face of the league always smiling. But he was one of the most surly, salty, primma donnas in the game and especially on his own team. He couldn't even go out with class in his Hall of Fame retirement speech where he even paid for people to be there just so he could dress them down in public for shit that happened 20 and 30 years ago! The fact of the matter is, most of the great ones are like that... they don't care about anything but winning. And that's why the do it so much. It's not about who can be the most accommodating teammate or who's the nicest/classiest guy... none of that matters. W.I.N.N.I.N.G. That is why Kobe is an indisputable all time great... with the numbers to back it up. Fuck man, I'm a Celtics guy and even I can admit it!

Don't ever compare Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan again. Look at Tim Duncan's career numbers vs. Kobe's. They're almost identical, and Duncan's are better in many areas, especially efficiency per possessions. Are you going to say Tim Duncan is a top 10 player as well? Give me a break. People are on Kobe's dick so much because for a large part of his career, he was "the" option. He rarely passed, and as such was taking 30-40 shots per game. You tend to score a lot when you're your team's main option. But look what happened when Kobe had a second option. Who won the MVP's for the championships he won with Shaq? Shaq did. Did you ever see Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, or anyone else for that matter winning MVPs when the Bulls made all of their championship runs? Michael Jordan is without a doubt the single greatest basketball player to have ever played the game, and even mentioning Kobe in the same breath as Jordan is an insult to the game of basketball imo. Kobe is without a doubt a great basketball player, but he is most certainly not one of the greatest players of all time.

He has a point. Jordan and Kobe share a common personality trait: their sour attitudes. He didn't compare their skills, just their tendencies to be huge assholes.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Don't ever compare Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan again.

why not? it is a very applicable comparison. their games are not that different at all. Jordan a slightly better defender, Kobe slightly more range in his shot. other than that, I see little difference between the two. saying that is not sacrilege.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Did you ever see Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, or anyone else for that matter winning MVPs when the Bulls made all of their championship runs? Michael Jordan is without a doubt the single greatest basketball player to have ever played the game, and even mentioning Kobe in the same breath as Jordan is an insult to the game of basketball imo. Kobe is without a doubt a great basketball player, but he is most certainly not one of the greatest players of all time.

I'm not arguing that Jordan isn't the greatest player of all time. He is. I'm just saying it's not crazy to say Kobe isn't that far off, and the closest thing to him. Their skill set isn't that different at all. Jordan a slightly better defender, Kobe slightly more range on the job shot. Both 1st team All NBA offense and defense for a decade.

EDIT: Jordan sure as hell couldn't have done it without those fine pieces around him, like Pippen, Kerr, Kukoc, Horace Grant, Rodman, Harper, the list goes on. Dude played with 3 hall of famers at any given time.


BTW- I would put Duncan top 15.

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