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Originally posted by Abercrombie

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Originally posted by slingshot Ok, so wait....does the person who wins the most races win Nascar? How about for hockey, does the team with the most wins win the division title? What about golf, how does that work? Person who has the lowest absolute round score wins the tournament? Have I been looking at things backwards all this time?

You´re comparing apples to oranges there dude.

You´re asking about how the winner of an individual event is decided, which is much different from what we´re talking about. If the country that wins the Olympics were based on Nascar scoring, it´s theoretically possible that a team who sent 200 athletes to the Olympics, and had every single athlete place 4th in their respective events (sure, there would be ties, but I digress), could win the Olympics without winning a single medal.

The Olympics themselves actually have events that are scored similarly to how Nascar or Golf when it comes to deciding a winner. Bobsled, for example, is decided based on the cumulative time built up over the course of 4 races. Figure Skating is decided based on the scores built up over two performances (short and long program, respectively). But at the end of those events, there IS a winner, and everyone else loses. When deciding the winner of the overall games, all I want to know is who WON the most events, and feel that that´s all that should matter.

I don´t care who was the best out of the losers, I just want to know who won, much the same way I don´t care about who lost in Golf (If Tiger Woods came second in every single golf tournament he entered, he wouldn´t be considered the best, he´d be the laughing-stock of the PGA), or Hockey (is a team that loses 29 straight stanley cups to 29 different teams the best in hockey? No, they never actually WON) or the NFL (lol Peyton Manning choking every time the game counts, Tom Brady shits on your records and wipes his ass with a different Super Bowl ring every time). The only time the consolation prizes should matter in the count is to decide a tie-breaker. A gold medal is worth 100 silvers any day of the week. It´s a hundred times easier to take 2nd and a hundred times even EASIER to take 3rd in an event than it is to actually win, and that´s why the winner of the games is decided by the Gold count, not overall medals.

Heard a buddy at work say he was going to dress his girlfriend in a Miller jersey so he can score on her all night.

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Originally posted by urban_legend Heard a buddy at work say he was going to dress his girlfriend in a Miller jersey so he can score on her all night.

I make my fiance wear a leafs jersey for the same reason.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I make my fiance wear a leafs jersey for the same reason.

LMFAO!!!!

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In these Olympics, Canadians only paid attention to Canada VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- After a spirited torch relay ignited pride in every corner of the country, the Olympic Games began and quickly galvanized the nation. Flags were everywhere. The country's national symbol hung from windows and was worn on nearly everyone's clothing. Fervent crowds cheered every victory by the host nation. But enough about the 1936 Berlin Olympics. At the opening of these Olympic Winter Games more than two weeks ago, Vancouver organizers expressed the hope that they could show the world a truly "Canadian Games." That they succeeded in that, there is little doubt. For 17 days we were barraged with Canadian flags, rode buses and trains with people in sweatshirts and jerseys adorned with Canadian maple leafs, and were serenaded at venues by Canadian spectators, lustily cheering for Canadian athletes. The first Olympics I ever attended were also in Canada, the 1976 Summer Games in Montreal. For a kid not long out of college, it was a profound experience, seeing Lasse Viren, Alberto Juantorena, Nadia Comaneci-- the athletes of the world -- on the sporting world's grandest stage. One of the speakers at that Olympics used a phrase that lingers with me still: the family of man. There is no earthly event that reinforces that notion as well as an Olympic Games. For all of the latter-day Games' inherent commercialism, that ideal persists. I truly believe that. It persists, despite the overwhelming chauvinism of the past two weeks. They showed us Canadian Games, all right. And in most cases, nothing but Canadian Games. I'm not talking about TV coverage. I have no idea what Bob Costas and NBC were televising back in the States. But from the opening ceremony to Sunday's closing, from the tragic death of Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili to Sunday's gold-medal hockey game, on the streets of Vancouver and at the Olympic venues, only a token nod was given to the rest of the world's athletes. I was as surprised as I was disappointed. Had the classic Canadian inferiority complex finally decided to bite back? Or was this a dark consequence of the Own the Podium program? At the Games' outset, Canada's obsession with finally winning its first gold medal as a host nation was understandable -- quaint, almost. But that story swiftly swept the luge tragedy off the front pages. There were no follow-up stories about investigations, memorials or retributions to the family. Kumaritashvili himself was blamed for the fatal accident. The luge competition went on. Some Canadian lugers even callously complained about the shortening of the track. And so the tone for these Games was set. It was Canada's party, and no dead luger, no critical British tabloid and no visiting Americans were going to spoil it. That attitude is regrettable, because a good, if not especially memorable, Olympics followed. U.S. skier Lindsey Vonn won her cherished gold medal in the women's downhill, validating all the product endorsements and cover shoots she will have between now and 2014.

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So now we're nazis?? It's not Canada that started the war of terror. Oh I'm sorry war ON terror...right
Better spend your time figuring out what other country you want to occupy...or I mean liberate.

What a douche-bag this journalist is. Where is he from? Oh Texas! Well can't blame him then; that's what happens with all the inbreeding.



Man this pisses me off!!!!

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict SOURCE So now we're nazis?? It's not Canada that started the war of terror. Oh I'm sorry war ON terror...right Better spend your time figuring out what other country you want to occupy...or I mean liberate. What a douche-bag this journalist is. Where is he from? Oh Texas! Well can't blame him then; that's what happens with all the inbreeding. Man this pisses me off!!!!

Whinge, whinge, bloody whinge, that's all they know how to do.
They need to harden the fk up seriously.

LOL

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There was embracing, all right, but then Canadians have always had the reputation for drinking a lot of beer. The loose marijuana laws only added to the nightly revelry in the downtown streets -- which, frankly, seemed to have little to do with the Olympics.

Love it

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict SOURCE So now we're nazis?? It's not Canada that started the war of terror. Oh I'm sorry war ON terror...right Better spend your time figuring out what other country you want to occupy...or I mean liberate. What a douche-bag this journalist is. Where is he from? Oh Texas! Well can't blame him then; that's what happens with all the inbreeding. Man this pisses me off!!!!

He apologized in the National Post this morning

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict SOURCE So now we're nazis?? It's not Canada that started the war of terror. Oh I'm sorry war ON terror...right Better spend your time figuring out what other country you want to occupy...or I mean liberate. What a douche-bag this journalist is. Where is he from? Oh Texas! Well can't blame him then; that's what happens with all the inbreeding. Man this pisses me off!!!!

this guys' a fucking moron. i was watching Leno last night and Sean White was on and was saying how cool it was that Canadians would come up to him and tell him that even though they're Canadian, they're still gonna be cheering for him.

edit: and as if most americans are any better to begin with. they don't even know where 90% of the countries participating in the Olympics are

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Originally posted by Abercrombie He apologized in the National Post this morning

IDNUMBER 201003030005
PUBLICATION: National Post
PAGE: A2
DATE: 2010.03.03
SECTION: News
EDITION: National
SOURCE: National Post
NOTE: Shades of Vimy, A16.
ILLUSTRATION: Black & White Photo: Shaun Best, Reuters / Hockey fanscelebrate in Vancouver. Black & White Photo: Getty Images / The streets of Berlin during the 1936 Games.
WORD COUNT: 438

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So a Nazi analogy wasn't a good idea

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Gil LeBreton, a columnist for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, wrote a widely read piece on Monday that compared the Canadian flag-waving of the Vancouver Olympics to the prevalence of swastikas at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. Yesterday, he apologized, excerpt below:



My intention in Monday morning's wrap-up column wasn't to offend Canada, the land of my ancestors, and my hosts of the past three weeks. On the contrary, I was trying to express my disappointment and surprise that, in my opinion, Canadians had failed to grasp the global mandate that being an Olympic host entails.

In doing so, I reached for a comparison -- and picked one in the 1936 Olympics that unintentionally may have offended the very people whose company I have enjoyed for these past days.

I apologize for offending them.

As I said in the wrap-up, I certainly implied no political analogies. But some comparisons are sensitive enough to be offensive just by their very mention.

I felt, in the rush to celebrate Canada's new patriotism, some of [the stories of other countries' athletes] were missed here.

That doesn't excuse me from making an insensitive comparison. But in 14 previous Olympic Games, never were the cheers for the visiting countries' athletes drowned out so ferociously. On the eve of the final day of these Games, I attended the team pursuit finals at the Richmond Olympic Oval. There were two medal ceremonies at the conclusion of the day's events.

In the first, the gold medal went to the Canadian men's team, and the Canadians in attendance cheered heartily and sang along with O Canada.

The women's medal ceremony was next. But as the gold medals were being placed around the necks of the Germans, much of the crowd was busy filing out.

That final scene prompted the column. The comparison I used prompts me to apologize to anyone who felt offended by it.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden In the first, the gold medal went to the Canadian men's team, and the Canadians in attendance cheered heartily and sang along with O Canada. The women's medal ceremony was next. But as the gold medals were being placed around the necks of the Germans, much of the crowd was busy filing out. That final scene prompted the column.

So what?? When I watch a sport I cheer for my own team/country. This is such a bizarre statement. Of course people cheer for their own.

An American journalist scolding us for flag waving and nationalism.

Bahahahaha

The stupidest article regarding sports I've ever read.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict So what?? When I watch a sport I cheer for my own team/country. This is such a bizarre statement. Of course people cheer for their own.

I agree. He says: "But in 14 previous Olympic Games, never were the cheers for the visiting countries' athletes drowned out so ferociously", but he doesn't qualify the statement with any examples.

And like you said, "so what?"

Gil LeBreton has done 14 Olympics, apparently... I think it's time his whiney, smarmy, knit-picking ass retires from doing from any more

Crosby goes from zero to hero with one shot; Until Sid the Kid scored The Goal, his overall Olympic performance was mostly forgettable

BYLINE: Jack Todd
SOURCE: For Canwest News Service


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Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good. Case in point: Sidney Crosby.

Before you get your tweets all heated up, Crosby is obviously pretty good. He might even be the second-best hockey player on the planet.

If not for a healthy dose of luck, however, Crosby might be wearing an uncomfortable collar today, tagged as another Joe Thornton, a guy who does a five-ring vanishing act each time he gets near the Olympics.

How close was it? Close enough that Crosby ought to ship a case of 1967 Chateau d'Yquem Sauternes to Zach Parise with a nice note, thanking the New Jersey Devils sniper for tying that U.S.-Canada gold-medal tussle late in the third period, setting the stage for Crosby to rescue his reputation.

Everyone will remember Crosby as the hero of the Vancouver Olympics, when in truth he did not have a particularly good tournament. Canada's best forward, in fact, was Chicago's Jonathan Toews, who at 21 is a year younger than Crosby. It was Toews who got Canada on the board against the U.S. and it was Toews who would be remembered as the hero, had Parise not sent the game into overtime.

Before that, Crosby's only real highlight came in the elimination round against Switzerland, when he also had no points -- but scored the winner in the shootout. But when the medal round began, Crosby all but vanished, with no points in nine periods against Russia, Slovakia and the U.S., including regulation time in the final.

With Canada up 2-1 going into the final minute against the Americans, 16 million Canadians watching from coast to coast, this country could almost taste that gold medal. Our boys had it all but in the bag. Then, with 25 seconds to play, Parise tied it, making him the best friend Crosby ever had.

Without Parise's goal, much of the talk would have been about how all the pre-tournament hype had Crosby facing the Russians and Americans all by himself, but he failed to show.

Then Parise scored. They went to overtime and with one quick, accurate wrist shot, Crosby went from star to legend. Now, he's Paul Henderson with superstar credentials. Like we said up top: sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

And speaking of Henderson: The silliest thing to come out of the Vancouver Olympics had to be the statement, repeated in a dozen different media outlets, that the gold-medal match was the biggest hockey game ever played.

That is the purest horse hockey. Olympic gold is big under any circumstances, but the Olympic tournament doesn't begin to compare with the 1972 Summit Series or even the New Year's Eve game between the Montreal Canadiens and Red Army.

Those games pitted one system against another at the height of the Cold War. They were, in every sense, war by other means. People felt that our way of life was at stake.

When the Soviets came close to taking the Summit Series, it triggered a level of hysteria never seen in this country, before or since. The sense of relief when Yvan Cournoyer and Henderson rescued our reputation in the teeth of a hostile crowd is without parallel, as indeed was that entire series.

In Vancouver, you had two groups of union brothers and teammates going up against each other. Canada's GM and coach came from the Detroit Red Wings, the coach and GM of the U.S. team from the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Rivalry? Yes. A great win for Canada? Yes. The most important game in history? Not even close.

Go ahead and light those cigars: The hockey rivalry between the U.S. and Canada is much more intense when the women play.

So why do Canada's women get ripped for a private, on-ice celebration featuring champagne and cigars? Pure, unadulterated sexism, folks. If NHL players choose to celebrate with champagne and cigars, no one breathes a word. When the women do it, a Toronto paper decides it's worth a two-page spread.

It's a sexist world. If it wasn't, Hayley Wickenheiser would be as famous (and as rich) as Crosby.

- Best performance of the Games? My three heroes of the Olympic Games are all women who won bronze medals: Joannie Rochette and Clara Hughes of Canada and Slovenia's Petra Majdic.

Rochette and Hughes you know about. But it was Majdic who turned in one of the great performances in Olympic history.

During the warm-up for the cross-country sprint event, the Slovenian skier tumbled into a gully that should have been roped off, another of those instances of callous disregard for athlete safety of which the Vancouver organizers were conspicuously guilty, tragically so in the death of Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili.

Majdic suffered five broken ribs and a punctured lung, but somehow came back to ski the preliminary, quarter-final, semifinal and final, winning a bronze medal while suffering almost indescribable pain.

Majdic, not Crosby, deserves to remembered as the true hero of the 2010 Winter Olympics.

- Finally, Own the Podium has to go. Not the program, necessarily, but the obnoxious name and much that goes with it, including the un-Canadian policy of denying visiting athletes access to our practice facilities and preventing Canadians from training with athletes from competing nations.

Own the Podium smacks of American boasting and Nikestyle exclusion. Second place is the first loser and all that.

A better name? Go for Gold. That's what Canada did in Vancouver, with splendid success.

I don't think Crosby had a bad Olympics, sure he didn't have the point output but if you watched him in the games he created chances and was one of our best defensive forwards? No?

Jack Todd is such an idiot...his son an even bigger one.

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So why do Canada's women get ripped

They didn�t. The news was put out into the public forum, and the vast majority laughed at their amusing antics.

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for a private, on-ice celebration featuring champagne and cigars?

How private could it possibly have been if reporters in the media were able to take photos and then publish stories in the local newspaper all about the celebration?

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Pure, unadulterated sexism, folks. If NHL players choose to celebrate with champagne and cigars, no one breathes a word. When the women do it, a Toronto paper decides it's worth a two-page spread.

If the men had partied with champaigne and cigars out on the hockey rink, in front of reporters, we WOULD hear about it. The men, like the women would have to apologize, and the public, as with the story about the women, would have laughed it off as childish antics of celebration by the men.

Fuck, this guy is annoying. The only thing worse than a feminist is a male feminist.

Not very familiar with his body of work.

However, with this article he's bang-on about Crosby, imo. And as for the '72 series, it's a gutsy thing he wrote but he backed it up well, in any case.

As for the broads, well, one of them is underage

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Originally posted by Spin Laden As for the broads, well, one of them is underage

Legal in her province, BC sucks like Ontario. That's what Booth, Portage and Alexandra was for in Ottawa.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden Crosby goes from zero to hero with one shot; Until Sid the Kid scored The Goal, his overall Olympic performance was mostly forgettable BYLINE: Jack Todd SOURCE: For Canwest News Service

wow. What a well written article. I think I agree with every single point made. Great read.

I don't see the point in pointing out Crosby as the hero of the tournament. Maybe the game, but for the most part it its a team effort. If he didn't score the whole tournament or even earn an assist, then getting that winning overtime goal i can argue that. but he did contribute on many ways off the score sheet.

anyone could have been the hero, and it was just crosby was co-incidentally that person who won it. if it was richards or bergeron who scored, people would say the same thing. why did yzerman choose either of those two? ohh and look one of them scored the overtime goal. more or less the same situation no?

it was supposed to be crosby that scored, unfortunately you can't argue with that. so there it is. canada wins and yet people are still dissatisfied with the way we won or the way the final goal was scored.


one of my co workers was arguing with me that they should have gone with jeff carter instead of getzlaf. i dont see the point in this because we won the gold medal. everyone had a job to do and it was done in a way where were won. no matter who was on the ice, or on the bench, or if fleury played 1 or 2 games, we still won the gold. if another person was chosen to be on the team then the outcome could have been very well different. we could have lost with carter or could have won.

if it was anyone else on the team that was in the position crosby was in, then maybe they would have thought top shelf, then missed. then we could have had a whole other outcome.

i guess my point is that, we won.... leave at that, crosby is the hero and lets just ride with that because thats the way the story goes. if it was any other outcome we'd be sitting here complaining that we lost in a shootout..... which would be devastating enough.

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