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Fucking bullshit. One of the worste calls in MLB. This has serioulsy impacted this whole series, and thus a challenge rule should be instigated in MLB.

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Originally posted by verndogs wow...what a fucked up way to end game 2 gotta give credit to AJ for that heads up play even though the ball clearly did NOT hit the ground If anything, this controversy is sure giving the ALCS much needed attention

the angels got the benefit of a controversial call against the yanks in game 5.


mark is just a horse on the mound for us. its gonna be tough back in LA. we need to get to the starters early because those guys in the bullpen are fake. donnelly, shields, k-rod, and escobar are almost lights out.

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Originally posted by verndogs wow...what a fucked up way to end game 2 gotta give credit to AJ for that heads up play even though the ball clearly did NOT hit the ground If anything, this controversy is sure giving the ALCS much needed attention

Ha! Love the custom!!!

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Ha! Love the custom!!!

Al Leiter put me in "What the fuckckckckckck?!?!?!?" mode

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Originally posted by OurManFlint Fucking bullshit. One of the worste calls in MLB. This has serioulsy impacted this whole series, and thus a challenge rule should be instigated in MLB.

Agreed. He swung the bat, it was a called strike (strike 3 mind you)

so regardless if the ball hit the ground or not... how does 3 strikes not equal 1 out? I forgot...

Did anyone see the postgame Q&A with the umpires, heh.. Doug Eddings was beating around the bush, very terse answers... he kept on saying "Well if you watch the replay... if you watch this...if you watch that..."

extremely controversial.

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Originally posted by Mebot Agreed. He swung the bat, it was a called strike (strike 3 mind you) so regardless if the ball hit the ground or not... how does 3 strikes not equal 1 out? I forgot... Did anyone see the postgame Q&A with the umpires, heh.. Doug Eddings was beating around the bush, very terse answers... he kept on saying "Well if you watch the replay... if you watch this...if you watch that..." extremely controversial.

Ya, he kept saying it was his "mechanics" of calling the play or something, ver sketchy. Adn then they kept saying that they saw the replay and that the ball switched directions so they can't justify whether it hit the ground or not. WTF Only a retard would say that the ball hit the ground, the leather was around the ball and you could tell from seperate angles.

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Originally posted by OurManFlint Adn then they kept saying that they saw the replay and that the ball switched directions so they can't justify whether it hit the ground or not. WTF

But what does that have to do with anything? That's what I don't get. The fact of the matter is that he SWUNG and MISSED. Strike 3, Out 3.

Must be in Bizarro world....

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Originally posted by Mebot But what does that have to do with anything? That's what I don't get. The fact of the matter is that he SWUNG and MISSED. Strike 3, Out 3. Must be in Bizarro world....

Ahh to be young and in love.

Dropped 3rd strike rule. If a batter swings and misses at strike 3, and the catcher fails to catch the ball, the player is able to go to 1st base. However, the player can be tagged out or the ball can be thrown to first for a force out.

It gets interesting when you have a Strike-Out pitcher on the mound because it's possible to have a 4 strike out inning. Batters 1 and 2 strike out regularly, batter 3 strikes out and gets to first on a dropped 3rd strike. Batter 4 strikes out. It may have happened this year, but according to baseball-almanac.com, the last time it happened was in 2004 when Mike Stanton k'd 4 in one inning.

http://baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats19.shtml

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Originally posted by Mebot But what does that have to do with anything? That's what I don't get. The fact of the matter is that he SWUNG and MISSED. Strike 3, Out 3. Must be in Bizarro world....

If the ball hits the ground on the third strike, the batter can try and go to first base, which is why sometimes you see the catcher tag the batter after he swings and misses on strike three. I guess the only times the batters actually make it to first base safely is when the ball rolls past the catcher or in this instance when the catcher throws the ball away and runs to the dugout.

I did not know that. I guess you learn something new everyday. Thank you for clearing this up.

i don't know who to fault ?

the catcher josh paul or the umpire ??

the umpire clearly called the third strike, and made the gesture that the catcher caught the ball ...

then again, josh paul should have made the last second decision when pyrniski was running to first .. paul should have thrown the ball to first .. i don't know ..

escobar should have helped a little by telling paul to throw to first ..

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch i don't know who to fault ? the catcher josh paul or the umpire ?? the umpire clearly called the third strike, and made the gesture that the catcher caught the ball ... then again, josh paul should have made the last second decision when pyrniski was running to first .. paul should have thrown the ball to first .. i don't know .. escobar should have helped a little by telling paul to throw to first ..

The catcher should've tagged him to be safe.

The Catcher almost ALWAYS tags the runner or throws to first in that situation, just to be on the safe side. Even if the catcher is sure that he caught it, if it's borderline and the runner is running to first, you have to make the tag or throw to first. The catcher in this situation is totally at fault, whether the umpire made the wrong call or not.

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Originally posted by flavdave The catcher should've tagged him to be safe.

ditto.
any baseball player should have learned that in little league.
that stuff is taught in little league baseball.


but it's considered a road game for the angels .. taking 1 of 2 from the white sox is all the angels need .. going back to la for 3 4 and 5 ..

3 : lackey vs garland
4 : santana vs garcia

game 5 is going to be interesting .. should the white sox put in orlando hernandez in game 5, if they take 1 of 3 from the angels at la ?? or are they going to stick with a 4 man rotation, and have hernandez fresh for middle relief ?

i wouldnt be shocked to see el duque have to come in to relieve garland. he hasnt pitched since the end of the regular season and might have some rust.



they were talking about it on baseball tonight (yea those guys usually just mumble some mindless shit) but they brought up a good point. aj was behind the plate all game and it looked like he knew something was different with the play, most likely the ump didnt say something that he usually says after a strike out. if you watch the play aj starts to walk off and then notices something is wrong and takes off to first. that little fake out is probably what got him on first because everyone started walking off the field. i love how everyone is acting like this is the end of the world. the way i look at it, the ALCS has turned into a best of five with LA having home field advantage. true this is a momentum changer but theres still five games left to decide the winner.

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Originally posted by jonze234 i love how everyone is acting like this is the end of the world. the way i look at it, the ALCS has turned into a best of five with LA having home field advantage. true this is a momentum changer but theres still five games left to decide the winner.

I think only the Cubs fans are stupid enough to think like that if it woudve happen to them , lol

Im not entirely convinced that the ball was caught cleanly. When they showed the replay zoomed in, in one frame the ball was very close to the dirt and in the next it was up a few inches in the catchers glove. Either it hit the ground and bounced up or it went up after hitting the glove on the ground. Too close to call really though. The catcher should have definitely tagged him so that there is no doubt that Pierzynski is out. ChiSox got a break on this one. Both teams have been playing poorly but the Sox have been just abysmal. The only 2 runs scored were unearned, theyve got like 1 hit with risp and baserunning is just terrible. Guillen needs to get his guys fired up or they are going to lose this thing.

yep they also showed on sports center how this same mistake happened to A.J when he was catching last year vs the Red Sox, he without a doubt learned from that.
The Umpire is human, alot of you mightve thought that was obvious catch, but you have a better view and replays, in the heat of the battle the ball was so close to the ground, you can understand what the Ump saw.Like Protege said, the catcher should ALWAYS tag out the batter just to be safe.

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI I think only the Cubs fans are stupid enough to think like that if it woudve happen to them , lol

they control the sports media in chicago. i remember when the bartman incident happened and the media was just brutal on the guy.

how is the mood in chicago right now? is it awash with white sox fever now or is it only just on the south side?

Ugh ... missed both games yesterday working late plus I worked 4AM-11AM today. Thats the delay. I see a lot of controversy going on here, KEEP IT UP! So Cardinals took a 1-0 lead in their series and White Sox squeezed one out to level their series.

As for what happens in the pool standings, then we have slight changes, as the seasaw battle for the leader continues as Dj2kTA is now the leader in both points and wins after yesterday's games, as he and Protege both went 2-0 to get the maximum 8 points possible on the day!

1. dj2kTA - 41 pts (14-4) +8 pts

2. verndogs - 39 pts (13-5) +4 pts

3. Protege - 35 pts (12-6) +8 pts
4. Eddie N MIAMI - 25 pts (10-6) +6 pts
5. Magnetonium - 24 pts (9-7) +4 pts
5. Member of X - 24 pts (9-7) +4 pts
7. Mebot - 23 pts (9-9) +4 pts
8. Acid Circus - 21 pts (8-8) +4 pts
9. SlackerBoy9 - 19 pts (7-8) +2 pts
10. Dj Smitty20 - 17 pts (7-9) +4 pts
11. Shamez214 - 11 pts (4-11) +0 pts

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Originally posted by verndogs how is the mood in chicago right now? is it awash with white sox fever now or is it only just on the south side?

theres a lot of people on the band wagon. but there's still those cubs fans rooting against the sox. there was an article in the newspaper over the weekend from a cubs fan going on about how the cubs fans should stand united against the sox. a couple of the people at work are cubs fans but they're rooting for the sox. i have a couple people in my family that are cubs fans and they called me last night after the game to accuse the sox of paying off the umps. my response, "we dont even pay our players, why would we pay off the umps?"

the astros win !

oswalt pitches 7 strong innings, and that is all lidge needs to pitch lights out against the cardinals .. as long as the astros keep it close by the 7th or 8th innings, lidge can help the astros shut the door .

as much as i like iggy, i would almost take lidge as my top reliever anyday, behind of course rivera .. lidge is close to mariano rivera late 90s status ..

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Originally posted by verndogs how is the mood in chicago right now? is it awash with white sox fever now or is it only just on the south side?

Theres a lot of people who are "its a Chicago team, they're all we've got at this point".
My buddy lives on the North side. I'll have to ask him what its like up there.

I know that when the Cubs were in it a couple years back I was rooting against them. The way I figure, if my teams not in it I sure as hell dont want to hear "The Cubs won it last year, the Sox didnt do shit".

I even dressed as Steve Bartman on Halloween right after that whole thing went down. It was golden.

Is it just me or did the home plate umpire in the Cardinals/Astros series completely suck both games in St. Louis? First game he was calling way below the knees and second game he was very inconsistant on the outside corners.

Anyways, Nice playing by the Stro's tonight. They're exactly on plan as I thought they would be. I didn't expect a win against Carpenter for the 1st game. I say Houston in 7 games. Its destiny after that 18 inning game, destiny I tell you.

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