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You will need knowledge of twelve major and minor chords (24 in total). For Trance music however you will find that the majority of music is in minor keys. The reason being that it is believed that minor keys generally convey more emotion (Or so they say). Cheers Nem

You can get around having to learn the 24 chords by using the Rapid Evoluton 2 Piano. If you click on piano>single note you should be able to pick from "Single Note", "Minor", and "Major".

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 You can change the key in Ableton and keep the pitch (Time Stretch type thingy). However you need to be careful as to how much you do this as it can have a very strange effect on percussive sounds and the kick. Can make things sound like a bad mix even if it's one track playing. This is also true for a lot of pitch correction software including CDJs1000 master pitch. Cheers Nem

I've tried modifying songs by just one semitone(st in Ableton) and it makes the songs sound like crap.

thought i got them but i guess my ear isnt trained enough yet so anyone got the keys for:

emphased reality & tim nokx - perception (original mix)

mike foyle vs sunquest pres. soulsurfers - one day (matias faint & agustin servente remix)

cheers!

im happy to key tunes for anyone, but they need to provide samples. cant be arsed doing that myself

Ok. I finally accepted the fact that I am going to need to learn how to do this. I have no instruments in the house. I do have Rapid Evolution on my computer. Alot of people say it is way off, but can't you use the keyboard in the program, or is that off too? Please, somebody help!! I did a gig last night and really killed the crowd a couple times because the drop in energy, due to bad harmony. I really want to learn this. Could someone give me some pointers to get started?


Thanks,

Mike

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Originally posted by Michael May Ok. I finally accepted the fact that I am going to need to learn how to do this. I have no instruments in the house. I do have Rapid Evolution on my computer. Alot of people say it is way off, but can't you use the keyboard in the program, or is that off too? Please, somebody help!! I did a gig last night and really killed the crowd a couple times because the drop in energy, due to bad harmony. I really want to learn this. Could someone give me some pointers to get started? Thanks, Mike

http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/index.mv
Read every bit of this website, key all your tunes, be creative and have fun

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Originally posted by starboy http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/index.mv Read every bit of this website, key all your tunes, be creative and have fun

Hey man, thanks for the fast response. I am going to read it right now.

Mike

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Originally posted by starboy http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/index.mv Read every bit of this website, key all your tunes, be creative and have fun

I just went thru the info on that site. It looks like they provide a service or something. I want to learn how to do this myself, so that may not be what I was looking for, but I appreciate your help.

Mike

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Originally posted by Michael May I just went thru the info on that site. It looks like they provide a service or something. I want to learn how to do this myself, so that may not be what I was looking for, but I appreciate your help. Mike

everything you need to know is right in this thread. just pay attention to what nemesis44 has posted and you'll be fine its a long read, but its got absolutely everything you need.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN everything you need to know is right in this thread. just pay attention to what nemesis44 has posted and you'll be fine its a long read, but its got absolutely everything you need.

I sort of didn't want to hear that. LOL! This thread is huge! I'll start from the beginning and keep reading along. Thanks for the response. And if someone could answer my question about Rapid Evolution that would be great.

Thanks,

Mike

I dunno if this has been shared before but anyway, this is a really handy tool I've been using to key my tracks.

I've uploaded it to yousendit here:

http://download.yousendit.com/DCC9A6F138E5648E


Cheers..

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Originally posted by rafale I dunno if this has been shared before but anyway, this is a really handy tool I've been using to key my tracks. I've uploaded it to yousendit here: http://download.yousendit.com/DCC9A6F138E5648E Cheers..

Hi. Thanks for the response. I tryed to install it just to take a look and see what its all about and it seems that I can't install it on my laptop. I am running MAC OSX, that could be why??? I'm not sure.

Thanks,

Mike

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Originally posted by Beatflux I've tried modifying songs by just one semitone(st in Ableton) and it makes the songs sound like crap.

Aye, pitch correction is not really a work around and hence I don't user it. Don't even user ableton for that matter.

cheers
Nem

Hi everybody

I read the thread, this is fucking amazing and i now want to work on key mixing.

I have three questions.

1 : My track is CM at pitch 0; if i increase the pitch by 4%, i know i won't be on the following key ( C#M) cause the pitch is less than 5%.

But am i still on CM with the increase of 4%, or is it a GM ( CM= 6a, GM =7a)?

I guess it's still a CM but i am not sure .


2:If my first track is CM, and the incoming track is CM too, but has to be pitch up because of a slower BPM, until where can i pitch it and still be in key mixing ? 3% ? 4%? 6%? I guess if there is a semi tone change it will sound bad?

So, until where can i pitch the incoming track?


3: Cm to C#M lift the mix ( +7); so C#M to CM ( -7) slow down the mix right ?

Thanks !!!

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Originally posted by ichi the killer Hi everybody I read the thread, this is fucking amazing and i now want to work on key mixing. I have three questions. 1 : My track is CM at pitch 0; if i increase the pitch by 4%, i know i won't be on the following key ( C#M) cause the pitch is less than 5%. But am i still on CM with the increase of 4%, or is it a GM ( CM= 6a, GM =7a)? I guess it's still a CM but i am not sure . 2:If my first track is CM, and the incoming track is CM too, but has to be pitch up because of a slower BPM, until where can i pitch it and still be in key mixing ? 3% ? 4%? 6%? I guess if there is a semi tone change it will sound bad? So, until where can i pitch the incoming track? 3: Cm to C#M lift the mix ( +7); so C#M to CM ( -7) slow down the mix right ? Thanks !!!

1: It's not Cm nor Gm. If you increase the Pitch by 6 % it will be C#m (A semi-tone difference in camelot it's represented by +7, and -7).
Now if you have a song at Cm at Pitch 0, and you increase it by 4%, that's going to be somewhere between Cm and C#m, but it will be near C#m, so I would better consider it at C#m rather than Cm.

Think like this,

Bm(-6%)---(-5%)---(-4%)---(-3%)---(-2%)---(-1%)---Cm(0%)---(+1%)---(+2%)---(+3%)---(+4%)---(+5%)---C#m(+6%)


2:I wouldn't go over 3%, and if you have MAster Tempo you can use it, and you can change the tempo without changing the Key.


3:Correct. Just pay atention to your songs, song might be in key but it will not always sound good, and you might bring (+7) mixes, but they will not always increase the energy.


Here is a link so you can understand the chromatic scale:

http://www.ezfolk.com/guitar/Tutori...atic_scale.html


Hope that helps you


Pepa

everytime i think im getting to know this harmonic mixing i find new shit out

think ill stick to the master tempo.

Thanks pinokio for ur answers !!!

U are the man !!!

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Originally posted by ichi the killer Thanks pinokio for ur answers !!! U are the man !!!

You are welcome Mate

Cheers =)

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Originally posted by dj_kane everytime i think im getting to know this harmonic mixing i find new shit out think ill stick to the master tempo.

thats only gonna help you if you know what key youre in in the first place.

I cant even think about not using key lock or master tempo it just complicates things too much. If i want to play harmonically I either stay with the 2.5-3% range or use key lock or both.

I have found that master tempo on the CDJ1000 can actualy be quite handy and does open up quite a few mixing options.

Cheers
Nem

Does anyone know if the cdj 800 mk11 or cdj 200 have the key lock feature? i want to add a cdj and the 800 is in my price range at the moment

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Originally posted by starboy Does anyone know if the cdj 800 mk11 or cdj 200 have the key lock feature? i want to add a cdj and the 800 is in my price range at the moment

the Mk11 doesnt but the MK15 does.

yea both the 800 and 200 have keylock

can anyone tell me if A#1 is the same as A#m?

No, when you see numbers like that next to the note it usually is refering to the octave that the note is in. In this instance you would find this towards the far left of the key board so it's quite a bassey sound.

Cheers
Nem

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