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Originally posted by Nemesis44 No, when you see numbers like that next to the note it usually is refering to the octave that the note is in. In this instance you would find this towards the far left of the key board so it's quite a bassey sound. Cheers Nem

ok so the key for that would be just A# ?

im new to harmonic mixing. Im going through and getting all the keys written on my cds using that camelot easymix system so i was unsure what i should label that as.

A# (A sharp)is also Bb (B flat)

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Originally posted by chris harrington ok so the key for that would be just A# ? im new to harmonic mixing. Im going through and getting all the keys written on my cds using that camelot easymix system so i was unsure what i should label that as.

Exactly, its just technically an A# major (as the majors don't usually state that they are major).

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Exactly, its just technically an A# major (as the majors don't usually state that they are major). Cheers Nem

Thats right A# minor would have the notation (m) so it would be A#m I believe.

ok cool thanx also just one last question

# means sharp right? before i start writeing stuff on cds

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Originally posted by chris harrington ok cool thanx also just one last question # means sharp right? before i start writeing stuff on cds

why not use the camelot system? no needs to remember what any of it means as long as you can count to 12 youre set!

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Originally posted by chris harrington ok cool thanx also just one last question # means sharp right? before i start writeing stuff on cds

Yes # means sharp. I suggest you download the rapid evolution software and look at the built in keyboard to get an idea of whats what.

is there another key name for f#m?

ive got a track in this and i was checking the grid and theres no f#m on it. a bit confused.

cheers!

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Originally posted by dj_kane is there another key name for f#m? ive got a track in this and i was checking the grid and theres no f#m on it. a bit confused. cheers!

Gbm = F#m


http://www.infovisual.info/04/041_en.html

As you can see on the link a "sharp (#)", means the next "black" key to the letter.

and a "flat (b)", means the previous "black" key to the letter.

so

A# = Bb
C# = Db
D# = Eb
F# = Gb
G# = Ab
A# = Bb

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Originally posted by Pinokio Gbm = F#m http://www.infovisual.info/04/041_en.html As you can see on the link a "sharp (#)", means the next "black" key to the letter. and a "flat (b)", means the previous "black" key to the letter. so A# = Bb C# = Db D# = Eb F# = Gb G# = Ab A# = Bb

ahh thats why some of my harmonic has been off.

thanks alot man!

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Originally posted by dj_kane ahh thats why some of my harmonic has been off. thanks alot man!

You are welcome =)

It's quite funny, you mention harmonic mising in a lot of other forums and people still beat you down as if you are crazy. That's what makes this one so cool. You have a lot of people who have the understanding and basically make the DJ booth a cool place to be.

Nice one guys

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Pinokio A# = Bb C# = Db D# = Eb F# = Gb G# = Ab A# = Bb

this is probably a stupid question but is Bb, Db etc like b minor, d minor?

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Originally posted by dj_kane this is probably a stupid question but is Bb, Db etc like b minor, d minor?

Nope, no questions are stupid.
A wise man once said "better to be stupid for 5 minutes than for the rest of your life". Always worth asking.

No, is the answer.

Bb actually stands for B flat which is exactly the same note as A sharp. All you have to do is see them as the same note. The only reason why they have two names is because it changes depending on the scale and so on. This isn't really important and could confuse you more if you look into it further.
Just for harmonic mixing you only need to know that they are one and the same note.

There is also such a thing as a B flat/A sharp minor. An example of a track in that key is Tiesto's Traffic.

Hope this helps

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Nope, no questions are stupid. A wise man once said "better to be stupid for 5 minutes than for the rest of your life". Always worth asking. No, is the answer. Bb actually stands for B flat which is exactly the same note as A sharp. All you have to do is see them as the same note. The only reason why they have two names is because it changes depending on the scale and so on. This isn't really important and could confuse you more if you look into it further. Just for harmonic mixing you only need to know that they are one and the same note. There is also such a thing as a B flat/A sharp minor. An example of a track in that key is Tiesto's Traffic. Hope this helps Cheers Nem

thanks nem. that was confusing me.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN why not use the camelot system? no needs to remember what any of it means as long as you can count to 12 youre set!

Thats what i am using

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 It's quite funny, you mention harmonic mising in a lot of other forums and people still beat you down as if you are crazy. That's what makes this one so cool. You have a lot of people who have the understanding and basically make the DJ booth a cool place to be. Nice one guys Cheers Nem

Music is music.. i don't understand how ANY dj mixing ANY kind of music can't learn this basic concept. And trust me a lot of the well known TA's here that whore their radio shows and promo's still can't come to grips.. they think they're doing it already and think harmonic mixing is overrated

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Originally posted by starboy Music is music.. i don't understand how ANY dj mixing ANY kind of music can't learn this basic concept. And trust me a lot of the well known TA's here that whore their radio shows and promo's still can't come to grips.. they think they're doing it already and think harmonic mixing is overrated

Yeah, you get a lot of haters out there, but that's just people for you. I tend not to get too into those discussions but ultimately I know that Harmonic mixing just leads to a better understanding of music and why things work the way they do.

The ones that think they do it naturally are the funniest as very often (not in all cases) they have got it wrong. Kind of reminds me of those talent shows where you have people auditioning and have got a completely misguided opinion of their own ability. Then the judges say no and they still don't believe it he he.

Saying that, some can do it naturally but they are naturally very musical anyways and probably wouldn't give you a hard time for trying to do it your way.

You will always here the statement, "You should just know when to play a tune". Sure I agree, but what is it that makes that tune right? Crowd response is definately a major factor, but it also has to work with what you are doing or the so called "Right Tune" could very quickly be the wrong one.

Another thing I have learned in my time DJing, is that the time slot for playing the right tune stretches a lot longer than to just the next mix. A lot of guys who play the bombshell tune when the inclination hits them and the crowd seems to want it tend to choke after that because you always have to have the goods to follow that tune. You have got time to build and tease people and plenty of time to get to the right point harmonically to drop the killer tracks.

The reality is that there is no single right tune, it's more a reference to a degree of energy that you need to inject into the dance floor than the song it's self. A dance floor is all about controlling energy levels in a sonic fashion. Whith the above in mind, you can usually find at least a hand full of options in your record box that you could use just as well. Chances are that most clubbers will remain happy as long as you mix in a way that caters to their desired energy.

Cheers
Nem

I got anouther question.

Ok im using the Camelot system for mixing and i know you can mix into the numbers beside it (ie. 6A in 6B, 7A, & 5A) but is there anyother wya it will work as well or does the system only work going up and down like that?

There are two different camps out there on this.

I am a believer that you can user other methods too, Camelot has stated otherwise.

But there are plenty of things you can do, and not everything in DJing is about blending music in key from one to the other.

If you jump up 7 from let's say 5a to 12a you will get a jump in one semitone upwards on the chromatic scale. This will sound like arse if you mix the two song's melodic elements together but will have a big impact if you do a quick change in basslines and will inject a large amount of energy onto a dance floor if done correctly.

Then you can go with a -3 from whatever you are playing, this is a slightly different style of mix that will give the same effect as above but allows you to have the lighter melodic elements in the song playing at the same time without clashing as this note would be found in the same chord as the one you are mixing out of e.g. 6a G minor has A# (Bb) in it.

There are other different harmonic effects you can do too. Play around with it and see what you find.

Cheers
Nem

Question. I just downloaded a track from cdjshop.com and their mp3's have the key and even the bpm tagged on them. The Song Aria Epica (bart.. mix) says D# on it. Now I wanted to sheck it using the rapid evolution but for some strange reason it wont key that file even though it seems like a regular MPEG layer 3 audio or mp3.

My question is what exactly does D# mean, is it Minor, Major or just a single note? I noticed on the Rapid Evolution keyboard Minor, Major and Single Note all have differents sounds so which one is it. It just says D#.

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Originally posted by 996vtwin Question. I just downloaded a track from cdjshop.com and their mp3's have the key and even the bpm tagged on them. The Song Aria Epica (bart.. mix) says D# on it. Now I wanted to sheck it using the rapid evolution but for some strange reason it wont key that file even though it seems like a regular MPEG layer 3 audio or mp3. My question is what exactly does D# mean, is it Minor, Major or just a single note? I noticed on the Rapid Evolution keyboard Minor, Major and Single Note all have differents sounds so which one is it. It just says D#.

D# = D Sharp Major
D#m = D Sharp Minor

The Majors don't need any "Extra Letter", when it's a minor you need to add a "m".

# = Sharp
b = Flat
m = Minor

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Originally posted by Pinokio D# = D Sharp Major D#m = D Sharp Minor The Majors don't need any "Extra Letter", when it's a minor you need to add a "m". # = Sharp b = Flat m = Minor

This I know but is it possible that they just provided the root key d#

. On the RE2 keyboard when I use the single note function it sounds better than either minor or major. Does a song have to be minor or major? I would love to send someone this file since my RE2 dosent seem to be able to key it for some reason. Its 320kbps song and its a great song actually. Pinokio I can send you the fil3 20mb and you can confirm it for me maybe.

Mixed in key called it 6b or Bb according to cdjshop it would be a 5b or Eb but like I said im not convinced. Plus I wouldnt mind testing out the accuracy of cdjshop or even mixed in key for that matter. I already posted the problem in Mixshare forum so hopefully I will see what RE2 key it as.

There is always the possiblity that they have provided the wrong key? Best thing to do is try keying it yourself and see what you come up with. It may also not go strictly in that key suggesting that the song may be written in an offshoot of that key such as a 'sus' or diminished or even an accidental.

I would suggest trying to find the root note for yourself as they may have found the relevant major/minor.

I will give it a try myself in a sec.

Cheers
Nem

I think that D# is waaaaay off the mark if the versions of it that I have checked are going in their orignal pitch. I get it to sit around the G, probably G minor area.

Please allow for some margin of error here as I only had laptop speakers and couldn't hear the full frequency range.

D# does feature in the main hook as possibly a starting note but not as the root. The bassline tells me G.

Cheers
Nem

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