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I really was a fan of D. Wade and LBJ prior to this season but this picture is a perfect example of why I have a hard time watching them anymore. They just always seem to be so impressed with their abilities and accomplishments. No one refutes that they are two of the best players in the game yet they seem so dedicated to confirming that they are exactly that. At some point I think it behooves you to act like you've been here before, act like you've dunked a basketball before. You really want to establish your greatness? Then act like what you do is normal daily activity (because it is, that's why you are great) and don't celebrate it like you've never done before.

And that's not to say that there aren't other guys in the league that don't do it, it's just that these two are so much better and they have so much talent around them. Just sit back and appreciate and be thankful for what you have rather than flaunt it.

/end rant

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Originally posted by Taipan Yessir. 1000 words on the line!

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Seeing how he has played in the finals this year, I don't think he deserves to win.

You just said you thought he deserves to win! He's not still on the fucking Cavs, and you've been picking them and supporting them the entire season until now.

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People are allowed to change their opinions. I'm not a Mavericks fan, I just like Dirk, so I hope the Mavericks win. Am I supposed to keep picking the Heat to win if I don't think they will? Sure it would be nice for Lebron to win a championship after laboring in Cleveland for so long, but I don't think he will. I still don't hate on the heat because they just threw together three superstars, I just don't think it's as effective as I did before. There's a huge difference between making logical observations and "hating."

I said that if Dallas shoots the way they shot last night again, then Miami will lose Game 6. I didn't suddenly have a change of heart and say the Heat were garbage and start rooting for Dallas instead. You're placing a "bet" with Taipan on Dallas to win. That means you hopped off your Heat bandwagon and onto your Dallas bandwagon. I've been following 3 teams for the last several years: Miami, (until recently) Cleveland, and Orlando. I followed Miami originally because Dwayne Wade and Reece Gaines were so close in talent coming out of college and they played each other a lot. D Wade obviously became a superstar and Reece Gaines fell off. I've been enjoying watching the Heat for some time now. You hopped on and off the bandwagon this Playoffs. And for that, fuck you.

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Also, u mad.

At least I don't jump onto bandwagons.

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Originally posted by ziptnf You just said you thought he deserves to win! He's not still on the fucking Cavs, and you've been picking them and supporting them the entire season until now.

...You just pointed out that I posted that in April. So by the entire season, you mean the week before the playoffs? I thought he deserved to win one before the playoffs started, because he's been stuck in Cleveland. After watching him perform in the finals, I don't think he deserves to win, because he doesn't play like a champion.

Also how the fuck does placing a bet on Dallas make me a Mavericks fan or say that I'm jumping on the bandwagon? You make bets on who you think is going to win, not who you want to win. They happen to coincide in this instance, but you're an idiot if you think that betting on a team makes you a fan of them.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 ...You just pointed out that I posted that in April. So by the entire season, you mean the week before the playoffs? I thought he deserved to win one before the playoffs started, because he's been stuck in Cleveland. After watching him perform in the finals, I don't think he deserves to win, because he doesn't play like a champion.

Lebron has clearly been struggling in the playoffs. But I'm supporting the Heat because I've been following them for a while, not changing my mind because they're getting beat by Dallas.

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Also how the fuck is placing a bet on Dallas make me a Mavericks fan or say that I'm jumping on the bandwagon? You make bets on who you think is going to win, not who you want to win. They happen to coincide in this instance, but you're an idiot if you think that betting on a team makes you a fan of them.

Placing a bet isn't jumping on the bandwagon, but calling the opposing team "garbage" is.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Lebron has clearly been struggling in the playoffs. But I'm supporting the Heat because I've been following them for a while, not changing my mind because they're getting beat by Dallas. Placing a bet isn't jumping on the bandwagon, but calling the opposing team "garbage" is.

I was supporting Lebron because I thought he deserved to win a title after what he had to stick through in Cleveland. After watching him perform in the finals, I don't think he deserves to win anymore. That's not jumping on or off any bandwagon, it's making a rational observation on his play. I don't see how that's so hard for you to understand. My entire reason for supporting the Heat was because of Lebron James. If I don't think he deserves to win a championship based on how he has played, not the Heat, then why, oh why would I continue cheering for Miami?

Also you literally just said placing a bet meant I was jumping off the Heat bandwagon and onto the Dallas one. I guess you're right though. I should stick to my guns and bet on the team that I think is going to lose, because I really enjoy writing essays.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 I was supporting Lebron because I thought he deserved to win a title after what he had to stick through in Cleveland. After watching him perform in the finals, I don't think he deserves to win anymore. That's not jumping on or off any bandwagon, it's making a rational observation on his play. I don't see how that's so hard for you to understand.

Supporting someone, and then not supporting him anymore because he's playing poorly is fucking stupid, considering you've been sucking his cock throughout the entire playoffs. I'm still a fan of Lebron because he plays next-level basketball when he's doing well. The entire reason why he's struggling is mental. The pressure is probably unbelievable for him right now. What I find myself scratching my head with, is why you supported the Heat until they started losing. I'm pretty sure it's because everyone else is doing it.

srussell is not only the best bullshitter, but also the best backpedaller. Amazing.

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Originally posted by ziptnf The entire reason why he's struggling is mental. The pressure is probably unbelievable for him right now.

When they started losing pretty closely coincided with when Lebron started sucking. If you can't handle pressure, you're not a champion. If you're not a champion, you don't deserve to win a championship. There's not really much else to explain. I understand players have bad games, but his bad games are clearly mental, as you already pointed out. That doesn't mean he's not a good player, it just means he lacks the mental toughness that most champions possess.

Dirk handles pressure. Dirk thrives on pressure. Dirk deserves to win this year, not Lebron. Suggesting that I continue to support the Heat even though I don't think Lebron deserves to win it anymore is stupid. It's not jumping on or off any bandwagons, because I wouldn't call myself a fan of either team, because I only watch the NBA in the playoffs. Since I don't consider myself a "fan" of any team, I can cheer for whoever the fuck I want.

Did you miss all of my posts in support of Dirk as well? It's not anything new that I've thought he's an amazing player and deserves the accolades of one.

I hope you're just having a bad day, because you're being a complete douche for no reason.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie srussell is not only the best bullshitter, but also the best backpedaller. Amazing.

Really? I think he's terrible at both!

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Originally posted by srussell0018 When they started losing pretty closely coincided with when Lebron started sucking. If you can't handle pressure, you're not a champion. If you're not a champion, you don't deserve to win a championship. There's not really much else to explain.

Lebron hasn't been acting like a champion in the Finals. But I support him, because I know he has it in him. I don't throw him under the bus when everyone else does.

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Dirk handles pressure. Dirk thrives on pressure. Dirk deserves to win this year, not Lebron. Suggesting that I continue to support the Heat even though I don't think Lebron deserves to win it anymore is stupid.

Changing your mind on who you support when a player is playing poorly is stupid.

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It's not jumping on or off any bandwagons, because I wouldn't call myself a fan of either team

Then why act like one earlier? Why talk about "heat haterz" and how bad you want Lebron to win a championship? If you didn't care, you wouldn't post on every page in the thread.

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Did you miss all of my posts in support of Dirk as well? It's not anything new that I've thought he's an amazing player and deserves the accolades of one.

Dirk is an amazing player, and me and Jeff van Gundy both want a DVD of every shot Dirk has ever taken, because it's an art form. He makes it look easy, and he's clutch to boot. That doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to start cheering for him when I've been supporting the other team the whole time.

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I hope you're just having a bad day, because you're being a complete douche for no reason.

Listen, Stephen, don't get me wrong. You're a cool guy sometimes. But I think you are bandwagoning here. If you're going to follow a sport, follow it. Not just during the playoffs. Pick a team and stick with them. Don't flip flop based on who is doing well.

I really wish Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson were here to commentate on this blow-by-blow.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Lebron hasn't been acting like a champion in the Finals. But I support him, because I know he has it in him. I don't throw him under the bus when everyone else does.

I'm not wishing ill-will on Lebron. I simply stated that I don't think he deserves to win a title this year, because he has shown that he doesn't have the mental edge to win a title.

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Changing your mind on who you support when a player is playing poorly is stupid.

See previous response. It's not that he's playing poorly, it's that he lacks mental toughness.

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Dirk is an amazing player, and me and Jeff van Gundy both want a DVD of every shot Dirk has ever taken, because it's an art form. He makes it look easy, and he's clutch to boot. That doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to start cheering for him when I've been supporting the other team the whole time.

Suddenly started supporting Dirk? That's news to me.

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Listen, Stephen, don't get me wrong. You're a cool guy sometimes. But I think you are bandwagoning here. If you're going to follow a sport, follow it. Not just during the playoffs. Pick a team and stick with them.

Why would I follow the sport during the regular season when I find regular season play boring? I enjoy watching the playoffs, which is why that's the only time I watch.

Miami Heat FTL Dallas Mavericks FTW!

I remember seeing that. Even the commentators laughed at it.

my thoughts right about the Finals.

Miami: Some how they coasted thru the playoffs. They played good offense or defense. I even believed if they stayed at the level they were playing at, especially with 3 great players most can name and a with their decent role players, haslem, miller, etc they would pull it out. Somehow when they got to these Finals starting in Miami they took their home court for granted. We won 1 and everyone is happy so lets just put on the cruise control. Well they ran out of gas.

I won't put all my money on Miami running out of heat why they are down 3-2. I will look at this as blaming Lebron James. My reason is he was already in the Finals and lostto the Spurs with a sweep and he was the leader of the team at the time. What makes him so different now? He is not playing like he did in the previous rounds so where did he go. In 2006 Miami had Wade and Shaq. Now Miami has Wade & Lebron but why are they in this position? Lebron can't win over and over meaning he will win a few rounds and play great like he should but the one where it counts he can't come thru. Real champions win championships and right now he is going to be 0-2. In conclusion lebron makes himself lose a ring not the other team. If he is a real great player let's see him get these two wins with another trophy for Miami and his 1st ring ever.

Dallas. They got a lot on there plate these playoffs but they did not forget how to play well especially when it counts. Dirk has seemed a little timmmed not scoring 40 but Miami does actual still play defense! As for the rest of the crew J.J is the X-factor. He plays great, gives the team a boost and then they get the win. He plays crap then it affects the team and they got to pick it up for his mistakes which I noticed but in the end he is a main role player right now. Any extra 3's or layouts def don't hurt! All the players on this team def deserve a ring for what they done and played.

PS.I also like Cuban is keeping his mouth shut unless no ones writing about him!

I thought Miami was going to pull it out in 5 but then I now I learned Lebron is only good for the Media and not winning rings unless he changes his attitude about winning and when it is important.

Be careful. You're not allowed to have opinions about teams or players unless you've held the same opinion for the entire season, or for the past few seasons.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Be careful. You're not allowed to have opinions about teams or players unless you've held the same opinion for the entire season, or for the past few seasons.

Get the fuck off your high horse. If Lebron screws up his chance because he can't get focused, that's all his doing, and he'll probably try again next year. Calling them the greatest one minute, then calling them garbage the next is for idiot sports-fans. People who actually pay attention to the sport know that all players have their ups and downs. Lebron isn't garbage because he's really the only reason the Heat are even in the Finals.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Get the fuck off your high horse. If Lebron screws up his chance because he can't get focused, that's all his doing, and he'll probably try again next year. Calling them the greatest one minute, then calling them garbage the next is for idiot sports-fans. People who actually pay attention to the sport know that all players have their ups and downs. Lebron isn't garbage because he's really the only reason the Heat are even in the Finals.

When did I say the Heat were the greatest? I said I thought they were going to win previously, and now I don't think they will. Should I continue to say that I think the Heat are going to win out of loyalty to my previously held opinions? Besides, the vast majority of my desire to see them win was from Lebron. All players have their ups and downs, yes, and all players either perform well when the pressure is on, or they don't. Lebron clearly doesn't, so he doesn't deserve to win. I also never said Lebron was garbage either, and the reason I said the Heat were garbage is due to the fact that they only have three good players. That was actually quite literally what I said. Your quoting of me and your remembering of things that I "said" is quite selective, and appears to fit quite well with your pointless tirade over something completely fictitious.

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You bore me with your requests for me to interpret your bullshit any differently than it was clearly stated originally. People who support a player, and then stop supporting them because they're doing poorly are fucking sheep imo. I'd still like to see Tiger win another Major, even though he's lost a large portion of his support from his "fans". All of a sudden it's popular to hate Lebron, and you went from saying you want him and the Heat to win one to "oh nvm guize they're not the greatest team evar so i hope they lose". You make me laugh.

My favorite team is Orlando!! They end up playing bad due to team drama.

I like both teams but like I said earlier I did choose Miami in 5 and that is not happeneing now. I now which is too late and should of known earlier when Lebron gets this deep in the playoffs he is in deep shit and will be too late by this time Sunday unless he plays like he did against the pistons back in 04. The problem with that is that was only the conference championships. Now the Finals. Dirk did F' up the 1st time but he did not forget and now he did his part instead of shiining in the media like you know who and def has the team to back it up this time with J.J He is 2011 version of mugsey boggs. I wonder if he stats match up gotta his basketball reference.com to check that out!

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Originally posted by ziptnf Lebron isn't garbage because he's really the only reason the Heat are even in the Finals.

i disagree

wade is the truth

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Originally posted by ziptnf You bore me with your requests for me to interpret your bullshit any differently than it was clearly stated originally. People who support a player, and then stop supporting them because they're doing poorly are fucking sheep imo. I'd still like to see Tiger win another Major, even though he's lost a large portion of his support from his "fans". All of a sudden it's popular to hate Lebron, and you went from saying you want him and the Heat to win one to "oh nvm guize they're not the greatest team evar so i hope they lose". You make me laugh.

There's really only one way to interpret them. It's not like I was running around screaming "Omg guys I love the Heat they're the best team ever in the history of the NBA!!!" I just said I hoped they would win (because of Lebron), and that I thought they had a good chance to do so. You're twisting everything around to suggest that I loved the Heat as a team previously (I didn't), and that I think Lebron is a bad basketball player now because he's performing poorly (I don't). As I've pointed out numerous times, and which you repeatedly fail to process, is that my reasoning for thinking Lebron doesn't deserve to win is 100% due to his apparent lack of mental toughness, not because he's playing poorly.

I thought that Dallas was going to win this series before it started, so your "hating the Heat and Lebron because Lebron is playing badly" argument has deflated quite a bit.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Dallas in 3

You're also ignoring how I've supported Dirk throughout the playoffs. As I said before, I don't have a favorite team, so I can support whoever the fuck I want. If I like Dirk's style of play, I can want the Mavs to win. If I think Lebron cracks under pressure, I can not want him to win. Who the fuck are you to be the almighty judge of what constitutes someone being on a bandwagon anyways? You act like I committed some crime against humanity because I stopped thinking one player deserved a championship.

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Originally posted by Trancealot My favorite team is Orlando!! They end up playing bad due to team drama. I like both teams but like I said earlier I did choose Miami in 5 and that is not happeneing now. I now which is too late and should of known earlier when Lebron gets this deep in the playoffs he is in deep shit and will be too late by this time Sunday unless he plays like he did against the pistons back in 04. The problem with that is that was only the conference championships. Now the Finals. Dirk did F' up the 1st time but he did not forget and now he did his part instead of shiining in the media like you know who and def has the team to back it up this time with J.J He is 2011 version of mugsey boggs. I wonder if he stats match up gotta his basketball reference.com to check that out!

Fucking bandwagon piece of shit sheep I HATE YOU!

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