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Posted by DarkAngel on May-08-2004 21:46:

Arturo - great job on closing that FFS thread....I know if I'd posted a little more in there, it would have escalated into a full on flame war.

Have fun at Voodoo with Oscar G last night?


Posted by trancebrat on May-08-2004 21:56:

My understanding is that it is up to the mod and to Swamper to decide if a thread stays open or is closed. This thread was opened with the intention to allow mindless babble. It was opened by our mod. What more needs to be discussed? We love you Art!


Posted by Redeye on May-08-2004 22:10:

quote:
Originally posted by trancebrat
My understanding is that it is up to the mod and to Swamper to decide if a thread stays open or is closed. This thread was opened with the intention to allow mindless babble. It was opened by our mod. What more needs to be discussed? We love you Art!



its actually up to all mods to vote. Personally, I'm for threads up to a certain size, but after that size has been reached, I'd rather them be closed simply for the fact that people don't want to look thru pages and pages of random banter. Also, those large threads slow down TA when the search function is run. NYTA had its on spam thread and it turned from a little joke to a 16,000 post thread. It got so big that if I had deleted it all of ta would have crashed. I don't think we need threads like that anymore. If you want to post that much, use aim, msn, icq, etc...


Posted by arturob on May-08-2004 22:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Redeye
its actually up to all mods to vote. Personally, I'm for threads up to a certain size, but after that size has been reached, I'd rather them be closed simply for the fact that people don't want to look thru pages and pages of random banter. Also, those large threads slow down TA when the search function is run. NYTA had its on spam thread and it turned from a little joke to a 16,000 post thread. It got so big that if I had deleted it all of ta would have crashed. I don't think we need threads like that anymore. If you want to post that much, use aim, msn, icq, etc...


^ what he said ^

that's what i say as well.


Posted by trancebrat on May-08-2004 22:13:

I can understand that and I completely respect it as well. Do you think this thread is as large as others are currently?


Posted by Boomer187 on May-08-2004 22:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Redeye
its actually up to all mods to vote. Personally, I'm for threads up to a certain size, but after that size has been reached, I'd rather them be closed simply for the fact that people don't want to look thru pages and pages of random banter. Also, those large threads slow down TA when the search function is run. NYTA had its on spam thread and it turned from a little joke to a 16,000 post thread. It got so big that if I had deleted it all of ta would have crashed. I don't think we need threads like that anymore. If you want to post that much, use aim, msn, icq, etc...


didn't swamper clear this mess up before with large threads. Since there are not a high volume of people using them there really is not noticable server slow down.

and I am guessing on this one, but won't the new search method take care of any slowdown search problems?


Posted by arturob on May-08-2004 22:15:

quote:
Originally posted by trancebrat
I can understand that and I completely respect it as well. Do you think this thread is as large as others are currently?


it is not large. but it might be in the future.


Posted by Redeye on May-08-2004 22:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
didn't swamper clear this mess up before with large threads. Since there are not a high volume of people using them there really is not noticable server slow down.

and I am guessing on this one, but won't the new search method take care of any slowdown search problems?


swamper actually never cleared anything up really. We have always had a mod issue about spam threads. Its usually been cut down the middle for stay or go. I have been lobbying for either A) a post size limit or B) a thread time limit, this would restrict retards from resurrecting dead threads. It has nothing to do with the fact that you guys have a thread with 13,000 posts. It's the chat threads on TA as a whole. Even the people in the PPR thread eventually got so fed up with the stupidity of it that I closed it. It started out as a simple joke between 4 people and escalated into 16,000 replies of nonsense. I know 90% of ta has nonsensical threads (99% in COR) but I think there has to be a limit on these kinds of threads.


Posted by trancebrat on May-08-2004 22:18:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
it is not large. but it might be in the future.



That was my whole point. When we spam in other threads you direct us to post in this one. It will get large...that's just the nature of the beast. I'm sure it will get closed once it gets too big and I think we are all ok with that.

Back to my previous post...what were you doing last night at 2am?


Posted by Boomer187 on May-08-2004 22:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Redeye
swamper actually never cleared anything up really. We have always had a mod issue about spam threads. Its usually been cut down the middle for stay or go. I have been lobbying for either A) a post size limit or B) a thread time limit, this would restrict retards from resurrecting dead threads. It has nothing to do with the fact that you guys have a thread with 13,000 posts. It's the chat threads on TA as a whole. Even the people in the PPR thread eventually got so fed up with the stupidity of it that I closed it. It started out as a simple joke between 4 people and escalated into 16,000 replies of nonsense. I know 90% of ta has nonsensical threads (99% in COR) but I think there has to be a limit on these kinds of threads.



see my thinking is that these threads are fine, as long as the main intent is not to post as quick as you can and not to post non-conversational replies (eg, random pics or random sayings).

if you avoid those then you have a discussion, which to me is what a bulletin board is made to facilitate.


Posted by Redeye on May-08-2004 22:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
see my thinking is that these threads are fine, as long as the main intent is not to post as quick as you can and not to post non-conversational replies (eg, random pics or random sayings).

if you avoid those then you have a discussion, which to me is what a bulletin board is made to facilitate.


Its fine and dandy to assume that these threads are all self-contained utopias, but just like all messageboards we know better. People will come in and out and try and start shit just because they know how huge the thread is. I'm sure you are all friends in that giant thread, but we cant be closing some and allowing others to stay open. If we are going to moderate chat threads and other massive threads then we either have to be 100% across the board or 0% across the board


Posted by trancebrat on May-08-2004 22:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Redeye
Its fine and dandy to assume that these threads are all self-contained utopias, but just like all messageboards we know better. People will come in and out and try and start shit just because they know how huge the thread is. I'm sure you are all friends in that giant thread, but we cant be closing some and allowing others to stay open. If we are going to moderate chat threads and other massive threads then we either have to be 100% across the board or 0% across the board



I will agree with that. There is a portion that does depend on what went on in that thread. If it was closed for size it's one thing. If it was closed because of the content that's different. As long as people know and understand why (it's being closed) then they shouldn't bitch. I do agree that it has to be the same in all the forums.


Posted by Redeye on May-08-2004 22:37:

quote:
Originally posted by trancebrat
I will agree with that. There is a portion that does depend on what went on in that thread. If it was closed for size it's one thing. If it was closed because of the content that's different. As long as people know and understand why (it's being closed) then they shouldn't bitch. I do agree that it has to be the same in all the forums.



Thank you for your levelheadedness


now, how was your date last night???


Posted by DarkAngel on May-08-2004 22:39:

Thumbs up

Points well made, guys. It was totally weird...I was sitting here this morning and I see that thread, and I'm like WTF? I just felt that they were out to make some drama and/or trouble. They musta been really REALLY bored.


Posted by trancebrat on May-08-2004 22:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Redeye
Thank you for your levelheadedness


now, how was your date last night???



It's tonight...at 8pm.


Posted by Boomer187 on May-08-2004 22:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Redeye
Its fine and dandy to assume that these threads are all self-contained utopias, but just like all messageboards we know better. People will come in and out and try and start shit just because they know how huge the thread is. I'm sure you are all friends in that giant thread, but we cant be closing some and allowing others to stay open. If we are going to moderate chat threads and other massive threads then we either have to be 100% across the board or 0% across the board


well my point is that the cali thread and this thread are different than the other ones.

PPR for example was made for spamming, I think we can agree that repling to get custom status is spamming.

also a thread titled, Post whores, upgrade you user status by placing useless junk in this thread, can also be labeled as spam.


however topics like this one are created for conversations between people in this area and other friends. it is not made to boost post count or anything related to that.


So I think a better way to think of it is that mods should close spam threads, not just long threads. Spamming meaning posting as quickly as you can and posting non-conversational replies (eg, random pics or random sayings). I think that seems, so far, to be a decent definition of spamming, and as long as these threads do not start doing that, I am thinking they are not even comparable to the other threads.

I hope I am being clear here, that I don't see the PPR and aussie threads as being comparable to these two threads. They do have a lot of replies, however it is the intent and usage of the post that should be under consideration, and i know that at least 2 mods follow our cali thread, and it seems like two follow this thread, so it would be easy to detect if the intent strays.


Posted by arturob on May-08-2004 22:47:

fort laud. hanging with edgar and oscar.

hehe was so muich fun!!!

got home @ 8am


Posted by DarkAngel on May-08-2004 22:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
well my point is that the cali thread and this thread are different than the other ones.

PPR for example was made for spamming, I think we can agree that repling to get custom status is spamming.

also a thread titled, Post whores, upgrade you user status by placing useless junk in this thread, can also be labeled as spam.


however topics like this one are created for conversations between people in this area and other friends. it is not made to boost post count or anything related to that.


So I think a better way to think of it is that mods should close spam threads, not just long threads. Spamming meaning posting as quickly as you can and posting non-conversational replies (eg, random pics or random sayings). I think that seems, so far, to be a decent definition of spamming, and as long as these threads do not start doing that, I am thinking they are not even comparable to the other threads.

I hope I am being clear here, that I don't see the PPR and aussie threads as being comparable to these two threads. They do have a lot of replies, however it is the intent and usage of the post that should be under consideration, and i know that at least 2 mods follow our cali thread, and it seems like two follow this thread, so it would be easy to detect if the intent strays.


Sure ash hell made sense to me and I agree with that.

By the way, Boomer what is/was PPR? I'm not familiar with it. I'm usually only in FLTA & COR.


Posted by Redeye on May-08-2004 22:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
well my point is that the cali thread and this thread are different than the other ones.

PPR for example was made for spamming, I think we can agree that repling to get custom status is spamming.

also a thread titled, Post whores, upgrade you user status by placing useless junk in this thread, can also be labeled as spam.


however topics like this one are created for conversations between people in this area and other friends. it is not made to boost post count or anything related to that.


So I think a better way to think of it is that mods should close spam threads, not just long threads. Spamming meaning posting as quickly as you can and posting non-conversational replies (eg, random pics or random sayings). I think that seems, so far, to be a decent definition of spamming, and as long as these threads do not start doing that, I am thinking they are not even comparable to the other threads.

I hope I am being clear here, that I don't see the PPR and aussie threads as being comparable to these two threads. They do have a lot of replies, however it is the intent and usage of the post that should be under consideration, and i know that at least 2 mods follow our cali thread, and it seems like two follow this thread, so it would be easy to detect if the intent strays.


see, thats where I don't think you follow. the PPR thread "started" as a spam thread only as a joke between 4 people. Then it totally went off on a tangent and became the 1st true freinds thread with PPR meet-ups happening frequently. Titles to me mean nothing, I could post a title of "get your pussy here" and it could be all about chinese food, but if you go in and read the content you will see they all share the same characteristics of a group bonding and outsiders trying to stir shit up. In your case Sandstorm, Mikey Mike, and a few others are the outsiders, in PPR it was a different cast. In the aussie one the same thing happened. You hope that your thread can stay happy through 13,000 replies, but I know you have been here long enough to know that that isn't going to happen and the thread will eventually be closed. Everyone seems to think that if the thread is closed all that was said is lost. All we are asking is that instead of keeping the old 1 going start a new one and close the old one once it gets too large.


Posted by DarkAngel on May-08-2004 22:56:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
fort laud. hanging with edgar and oscar.

hehe was so muich fun!!!

got home @ 8am


Did you drink a lot, Arturo?


Posted by DarkAngel on May-08-2004 23:06:

Well now.

All that aside.....I feel like drinking.





Gonna guzzle these 4 Red Bulls and get hyper.


Posted by arturob on May-08-2004 23:09:

no. only 2 wodka cramberries.


Posted by DarkAngel on May-08-2004 23:12:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
no. only 2 wodka cramberries.


Oh, sounds like Mr. Bonetti was in VIP last night!


Posted by arturob on May-08-2004 23:20:

he he he he


Posted by DarkAngel on May-08-2004 23:23:

quote:
Originally posted by arturob
he he he he




LOL!!!!



I was right!!!


Good to hear you had fun!!!

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RED BULLS RULE!


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