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the biggest part of it is gonna be two-fold. Doing it regularly and limiting caloric intake hehe.

Right now im trying to lose a lb a day for the next 8 days for Argentina trip and get all riply and toned hehe. I ate half a bowl of pasta, half a head of lettuce, and about 15 slices of deli sliced lean turkey yesterday and 2 pots of coffee. I also ran and hit the bag.

Today I plan on doing crazy ab work out, bench press, reverse DB flies, lat pulls downs and a run.

Then i plan on eating 1 piece of toast, coffee and a tomato for BFast today. gonna snack on lettuce and thin meats till dinner and ill have a lil bit of pasta and tons of water through out. later on ill probably snack on more lettuce and deli meat. But altogether im guessing calories will be around 1000-1200. Tomorrow i might eat a little moreso its not tooo unhealthy, but im talkin like 1600 calories.

I hate it when people tell me im naturallylike this. It aint easy and it isnt very much fun. Im hungry right now. and thirsty. And working out is going to be exhausting.

but yah know. Im gonna look and feel awesome when I go back to a normal routine

plus i ust woke up and im trembling with energy. Its amazing what not eating frees up energy wise

man orbax losing another 8 lbs, you're going to be ripped as hell, if it's all fat, wow you certainly do like being extreme lean


and FFS FF post the freakin' pics you waster!

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Originally posted by diego man orbax losing another 8 lbs, you're going to be ripped as hell, if it's all fat, wow you certainly do like being extreme lean and FFS FF post the freakin' pics you waster!

you've got pms...

I dont LIKE being extreme lean hehe. But if its a choice between ill defined skinyna dn defined skinny...

heres where im at now, trying to lose the extra lbs









really needs abs! eek

Endurance?

I cbf'ed searching through the whole thread and have a general question:

I've been working out for a while now, but after 2 months break I'm back at it again, although I'm now doing higher reps with less rest inbetween sets (around 30-40secs) to try increase fitness and endurance.
Sometimes I'm finding this quite difficult in the major muscle groups (bench press, chin ups etc.).
The other day I was doing decline bench press and managed to do 11 reps the 1st set, followed by 7 and then another massive drop to 3.

My question is what can help me in this situation in terms of diet/training? (assuming I still want to push myself until fail in each set, if its possible). More carbs? or cardiovascular work? Or should I just drop the weight in each of the following sets and succumb to my shitty endurance?

edit: btw, im aiming to do 3 sets of 7-10 reps

well it could be a couple of things. energy levels could effect that like you said. also you just have to get use to working the muscles that way. i mean you can have muscle strength without muscle endurance and vice versa...the only way to fix that is to keep doing what you're doing and get used to doing it...

some other things you might want to try and change the amount of rest you give yourself in between sets. obviously the more time between sets the more time your muscles will be able to last on the next set. i think most people that want to do lots of sets to failure will probably increase the rest time inbetween sets.

and i guess if you wanted to work more on muscle endurance as oppossed overall srength for something different you could dramatically decrease the wiehgt you are doing and then just do more reps that way...that'll help build endurance and also help define muscle groups...

i dunno...just some thoughts...

biggest thing is prob gonna be diet and cardio

I can do more reps and sets when ive been eating carb and fat rich diet. Eat some pasta or bread or something (small amount like a handful hehe) right before the work out and let it digest for 30 min or so. then hit it up. Stay hyrdated. protein tackes ridiculous amounts of water to function. Drink at least a gallon of water a day.

the other half is cardio. You need to have a system that will get your blood and muscles oxygenated, and quickly. The best thing on earth for it is intervals. jog a 200, run a 400, jog 200, run 400 etc... I usually half ass it and jog for 2 miles and then run for 2 miles at 85%.

Ive noticed my workouts becoming longer after doing 8 mile hikes regularly.

if you cut out carbs, expect decrease in energy levels.

but also remember with your cardio work out, you only have so much glycogen in your body. A cardio workout iwll decrease your workout and vice versa. I suggest workout before cardio. or just seperate them into different days.

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Originally posted by Orbax biggest thing is prob gonna be diet and cardio I can do more reps and sets when ive been eating carb and fat rich diet. Eat some pasta or bread or something (small amount like a handful hehe) right before the work out and let it digest for 30 min or so. then hit it up. Stay hyrdated. protein tackes ridiculous amounts of water to function. Drink at least a gallon of water a day. the other half is cardio. You need to have a system that will get your blood and muscles oxygenated, and quickly. The best thing on earth for it is intervals. jog a 200, run a 400, jog 200, run 400 etc... I usually half ass it and jog for 2 miles and then run for 2 miles at 85%. Ive noticed my workouts becoming longer after doing 8 mile hikes regularly. if you cut out carbs, expect decrease in energy levels. but also remember with your cardio work out, you only have so much glycogen in your body. A cardio workout iwll decrease your workout and vice versa. I suggest workout before cardio. or just seperate them into different days.

hmmmmm

well i know i personally have been wanting to do cardio in the morning before i workout simply because i'll burn more fat that way. i'm not doing a ton of cardio...maybe about 30 - 45 minutes, but what do you think about the glycogen business. i won't lift until the evening so is there a way to replenish those levels through out the day...

You pretty much need sleep to go get it all back but if you run at say 8am and then get back and eat a 50/50 protein carb meal like eggs and toast and then just rest up....its just one of those things that is rapid access and it needs time to build up again...fruits would help, and stuff too...but mainly carbs hehe. So yeah I would say if youre looking to burn fat and get muscle, switch to weights in the morning and eat protein after it and then run in the afternoon and just drink water. with minimal amounts of carbs in there. That should kick your body into a fasting like mode where it burns fat instead of muscle.

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Originally posted by Orbax You pretty much need sleep to go get it all back but if you run at say 8am and then get back and eat a 50/50 protein carb meal like eggs and toast and then just rest up....its just one of those things that is rapid access and it needs time to build up again...fruits would help, and stuff too...but mainly carbs hehe. So yeah I would say if youre looking to burn fat and get muscle, switch to weights in the morning and eat protein after it and then run in the afternoon and just drink water. with minimal amounts of carbs in there. That should kick your body into a fasting like mode where it burns fat instead of muscle.

i could always just sleep in class and at work and replenish that way hehehe

lol true.

It's cool that u guys workout, so do I, and am pretty big...but I think you have no life and are a pussy if u start to pick at urself because u dont have a perfectly defined stomache or lose weight on purpose till the point where ur skinny and can see ur internal organs , thats not being ripped or getting jacked, thats being a freakin lady-boy...a pussy, a real guy can have somewhat of a gut, drink beer, eat all he wants still woop ass and get all the pussy he wants. Why someone would pay so much attention to detail is crazy, u must be obsessed and insecure that ur fat and no girl will like u...who does that? Girls like guys that are bigger rather than skinny from my expereience....skinny "toned" guys are panzies... Workout but stop being a wank toss... with all these scientific caloric intake diets and shit, all u need is protein, and maintain a healthy dose of carbs to feed the energy. My uncle from Poland, doesnt go on no diet, doesnt mess around with any GMC wannabe crap, all the guy does is workout and eat meat..mostly chicken and is freakin massive, he can bench 440. Thats ripped, and thats a man.

Wow, maybe people just want to look good and not be fat. Its nice to see all your hard work pay off when you look in the mirror. And yes, chicks do like a guy with a six pack more than a guy with a gut.

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Originally posted by Remiks ...

Thats one side of it I guess , lol

and my body is the result of a lifestyle more than anything else. Im active and eat healthy tends to lean you up. I like the lifestyle and so far working out has added muscle not reduced fat. im always skinny. useed to weigh 40 lbs less than now

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Originally posted by Remiks It's cool that u guys workout, so do I, and am pretty big...but I think you have no life and are a pussy if u start to pick at urself because u dont have a perfectly defined stomache or lose weight on purpose till the point where ur skinny and can see ur internal organs , thats not being ripped or getting jacked, thats being a freakin lady-boy...a pussy, a real guy can have somewhat of a gut, drink beer, eat all he wants still woop ass and get all the pussy he wants. Why someone would pay so much attention to detail is crazy, u must be obsessed and insecure that ur fat and no girl will like u...who does that? Girls like guys that are bigger rather than skinny from my expereience....skinny "toned" guys are panzies... Workout but stop being a wank toss... with all these scientific caloric intake diets and shit, all u need is protein, and maintain a healthy dose of carbs to feed the energy. My uncle from Poland, doesnt go on no diet, doesnt mess around with any GMC wannabe crap, all the guy does is workout and eat meat..mostly chicken and is freakin massive, he can bench 440. Thats ripped, and thats a man.

i'm sorry...i just have to laugh at this

well ok mr. big...you keep doing what you're doing and i'll keep doing what i'm doing

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i'm sorry...i just have to laugh at this well ok mr. big...you keep doing what you're doing and i'll keep doing what i'm doing

I think there's sort of a good point in his post though FF....but i might be reading into it a little bit.

One of my pet peeves is people who look past the health benefits of working out. People that are all consumed with achieving a certain look at any and all costs. I'll give two examples:

Steroid users - Isn't the point of working out to achieve a proper state of health? Then why use potentially deadly substances? I'm not judging but, I don't understand the reasoning.

Undereducated weight losers - These people just want to lose weight and look fit but, are going about it the wrong way. They are just beating themselves down with cardio and not eating at all and are probably hurting their body more than helping it. Again, forgoing the health benfits to achieve a certain look.

I dunno, did I read into his post too much?

/me thinks he did

Bruce Lee sure looks like a pansy then.

If I have some advice for you, it is to be like water.
If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup
If you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle
If you put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot

Now water an flow
or it can Cryaaaaaaash

Be water my friend!

hehehe

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Originally posted by Ygrene I think there's sort of a good point in his post though FF....but i might be reading into it a little bit. One of my pet peeves is people who look past the health benefits of working out. People that are all consumed with achieving a certain look at any and all costs. I'll give two examples: Steroid users - Isn't the point of working out to achieve a proper state of health? Then why use potentially deadly substances? I'm not judging but, I don't understand the reasoning. Undereducated weight losers - These people just want to lose weight and look fit but, are going about it the wrong way. They are just beating themselves down with cardio and not eating at all and are probably hurting their body more than helping it. Again, forgoing the health benfits to achieve a certain look. I dunno, did I read into his post too much? /me thinks he did

hehehe yeah i know what you're saying man...but he doesn't have to start knocking on orbax because he wants to look lean.

the way i took it is that this guy is probably pretty strong...has some body fat to go with it...and he's ok with that. that's fine, but some of us would rather not have a gut...

it's all about what you're ideal view of yourself is. if i want to look a certain way...i'm going to work towards that...if he wants to look a certain way...he should work towards that too, but there isn't one way that is better than the other to that person. of course from an individuals point of view the better way is the one that they are doing...but it's impossible to remain unbiased when he takes the view point of us all being pussies.

of course the health attraction of weight lifting is important, at least to me, i want to live a long long life...but i don't think that there is anything wrong with wanting to enjoy that long life looking the way that i want to. i mean i get as much shit as anyone on these boards for the whole metro thing simply because i don't want to look like a slob all the time...and it doesn't bother me at all...because in my mind, just as in those that are so quick to judge, i'm correct.

i remember earlier in this thread or a different one...arbiter brought worth the same idea about overall fitness instead of just attractiveness...and he was atleast intelligent enough to see both viewpoints, just as i can see the benefits of what is being proposed...but that doesn't mean we're all a bunch of idiots because we want to look the way we want to look.

in the end...it's pretty pointless to type out shit like that because i really don't think it bothers anyone...we are gonna keep trying to achieve what we believe is the better option, so if people don't like it...they shouldn't read about it. if anything he must feel threatened by people like us to have such a viewpoint...

Ok, it's time for me to post some pics.

After eating like SHAT and not hitting the gym regularly for the last two weeks, I'm going to use this pic posting as fuel to hit it hard for the next month.











I'll start taking creatine today and I'll post another set of pics in 30 days. Anyone else with me?

let me be the first to say...you're a buff ass hehehe

stats as well please

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Originally posted by Floorfiller let me be the first to say...you're a buff ass hehehe

I sure don't feel like it right now! The way I've been eating and slacking.

Stats-

Height: 6'1

Weight: I dunno. I'll check tonight at the gym though. Usually am around 205 - 207.

update: ive lost 3 lbs in 3 days so far

I look forward to a set of pics when I get back. Itll be kind of funny to see everyone getting ripped and then me coming back fat and ill-defined. And by funny I mean sad.

My plan though is to take a comprehensive set of pics and get some critiques after I get back. I know pecs are gonna be the biggest thing for me to work on, but its always helpful when someone tell me my tricep is too small or wow, I need forearms. Stuff i normally dont pay attention to very much

oh hey, i have 5 days to blast my abs as hard as I can, who has a killer work out for them!

I just watch TV and do like 20 minutes of crunches (the kind where you lift both your neck and ass off the floor). Just watch a good movie or tv show, hold each one for 5 seconds, and do them until you cry.

Just curious.

I hear protein is mostly for the skinny's wanting to gain weight, and creatine gives a watery muscle (eh).


Which way is best to help aid in building muscle, but still allows to burn the fat you normaly would.

JaY

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Originally posted by JayD Just curious. I hear protein is mostly for the skinny's wanting to gain weight, and creatine gives a watery muscle (eh). Which way is best to help aid in building muscle, but still allows to burn the fat you normaly would. JaY

Niether of the two directly affect fat loss but...

you can use both of them to help build muscle which will in turn allow you to burn more calories.

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