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Originally posted by loca I don't agree. Lampard is a good player. If anyone needs to sit their ass down it's Crouch - who can't seem to hold on to the ball in the first place and makes some pretty weak attempts at headers - and Beckham who, tbh, has seen much better days and can't seem to get his damn game together. At least Lampard has shots on goal!

shots on goal everytime the ball lands at your feet outside the box isn't the sign of a good attacking mid fielder. In any case, i was never impressed with lampard's game even at chelsea but he seems to deliver the goods there so good for him. I agree about crouch though. I dont like him at all. And when hes playing england fuck up their tactics by playing the long ball more often than not thinking they can hit the top of his elevated tiny little head.

Steven Gerrard is officially the most complete player in the world now IMO. The man can defend as well as ne1 if he has to and sven was even considering playing him as a striker when rooney was out.

Mourinho did something right with cole who always had the talent but wanted to be a one man show and england are clearly benefitting from his new attitude. It was good to see campbell come out and do a good job as well but carragher looked a bit dodgy at times.

Im glad the England-Germany potential second round match was avoided. Would be a shame to see one of the 2 powerhouses come against each other so early with one getting knocked out. Hope italy finish top of their group as well else they'l play brazil in the next round which i think should be the final.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I think Beckham is pretty much over the hill. Aside from a few brilliant crosses here and there (and the odd wonder goal from a dead ball strike near the box), Golden Balls does little else. He can't beat a man any better than Lampard can! He's got no pace and his regular passing/tackling leaves much to be desired. He's not horrible out there and he does come back and at least try to defend a little unlike Lampard, but he is not the Beckham of Man U 97-2000 era. If Sven truly had balls, he'd leave Lampard on the bench in favour of a holding mid fielder like our own Hargreaves or Carrick and put Lennon on the right side with Gerrard attacking from midfield. With Rooney (and even a fit Owen), the dangerous Joe Cole on the left middle, THAT England squad would be scary indeed! But he'll never take such risks.

I think you're mental to be honest, outside, of Stevie G, beckham has been the best player of the tournament.

Joe cole had ONE good half in 3 games, beckham has run his ass off in everygame. Lampard is fat, and useless. Crouch is absolute shit, and very much emile heskey in the way i hate him.


My England XI for the game against Ecuador.

Robinson, Cole A, Terry, Ferdinand, Carragher, Gerrard, Lennon, Beckham, Cole J, Walcott, Rooney

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Originally posted by DJ Robben Robinson, Cole A, Terry, Ferdinand, Carragher, Gerrard, Lennon, Beckham, Cole J, Walcott, Rooney

are you serious? wait...diamond or 3-5-2?

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Originally posted by Aitizaz are you serious? wait...diamond or 3-5-2?

4-4-2, Flat across, a fully fit Ferdinand, as we well know, doesjn't stay back, he likes to roam, Ashley Cole and Lennon have the pace to come back, Beckham is much more into his defensive duties.

Carragher. the man is a machine.

funny thing is, too the thing that people whinge about more and more ' Why did they pick walcott? we've never seen him play..."

Hmm.....Big game, defense, looks at crouch, and rooney tapes.

How's bout a striker who is ( and yes, it's been tested ) faster that Thierry Henry. who NO one knows how to mark because they don't know how he plays?

I like the sounds of that

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Originally posted by Aitizaz are you serious? wait...diamond or 3-5-2?

4-4-2, Flat across, a fully fit Ferdinand, as we well know, doesjn't stay back, he likes to roam, Ashley Cole and Lennon have the pace to come back, Beckham is much more into his defensive duties.

Carragher. the man is a machine.

funny thing is, too the thing that people whinge about more and more ' Why did they pick walcott? we've never seen him play..."

Hmm.....Big game, defense, looks at crouch, and rooney tapes.

How's bout a striker who is ( and yes, it's been tested ) faster that Thierry Henry. who NO one knows how to mark because they don't know how he plays?

I like the sounds of that

im not convinced...i think its a disaster waiting to happen. playing like that you're way too open to a counter attack . beckham in the middle...never! that experiment failed at Real madrid . and gerrard would be left in a perpetual dilemmna as whether to join the attack or sit back to break any counter moves coz beckham is only gonna be doing a half assed job at that. he's most effective on the right with his pin-point long range crosses/pases.

walcott and rooney up front isnt a bad idea now coz owen is injured but i think sven will rue his decision not to bring another striker. i think its ok to gamble on walcott as no one's seen him but defoe should've been there instead of jenas...4 out and out strikers in owen,defoe,crouch,walcott with rooney as well who can play in midfield if need be to cover the numbers.

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Originally posted by Aitizaz im not convinced...i think its a disaster waiting to happen. playing like that you're way too open to a counter attack . beckham in the middle...never! that experiment failed at Real madrid . and gerrard would be left in a perpetual dilemmna as whether to join the attack or sit back to break any counter moves coz beckham is only gonna be doing a half assed job at that. he's most effective on the right with his pin-point long range crosses/pases. walcott and rooney up front isnt a bad idea now coz owen is injured but i think sven will rue his decision not to bring another striker. i think its ok to gamble on walcott as no one's seen him but defoe should've been there instead of jenas...4 out and out strikers in owen,defoe,crouch,walcott with rooney as well who can play in midfield if need be to cover the numbers.

I didn't have Beckham in the middle, why not joe cole in the middle? instead of having him on the flanks? I mean, if gerrard were to sling passes, like i know he can, joe cole making a run up the middle would be deadly. besides, joe cole, is good, but in spurts, give the ball to the faster and silky aaron lennon who is TWO footed by the way

Defoe, is shit at spurs. Robbie Keane, if only you were english my dear boy....

and whilst beckham is good at lofting the odd ball into the box, i'm just not at all convinced by crouch, i think he's a flash in the pan player, like he is at liverpool.

i don't think england are at a loss with strikers. mind you, Rooney hasn't impressed me as of yet, but than again he's only played one full match. But seriously, crouch has to get crippled.

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Originally posted by DJ Robben I think you're mental to be honest, outside, of Stevie G, beckham has been the best player of the tournament. Joe cole had ONE good half in 3 games, beckham has run his ass off in everygame. Lampard is fat, and useless. Crouch is absolute shit, and very much emile heskey in the way i hate him. My England XI for the game against Ecuador. Robinson, Cole A, Terry, Ferdinand, Carragher, Gerrard, Lennon, Beckham, Cole J, Walcott, Rooney

lol. As I said, Beckham is deadly with his crosses but how many are successful...2 in 10 maybe? His corners have been bad too, trying too hard to pick out Crouch. He's running his ass of, but he can't tackle or beat a man very well and he has this annoying habit of kicking the ball right at people resulting in throw ins. I do agree about the other comment about England trying the long ball too much with Crouch up there though. He's got to go.

Lennon is best on the right side where Beckham is so I dont' see how that can work. He's more of an attacker, not a defender, and likes to get stuck in. That's the same problem as having Gerrard and Pilon Lampard together = no natural holder. The true holders on England are either Carrick or Hargreaves, the latter of which did an ok job today. I agree about Walcott and Rooney. Rooney's skill and Walcott's pace = potential deadliness for the opposition.

Robinson still looked pretty bad today...any thoughts on that? Nearly as bad as James in last Euro.

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Originally posted by DJ Robben I think you're mental to be honest, outside, of Stevie G, beckham has been the best player of the tournament. Joe cole had ONE good half in 3 games, beckham has run his ass off in everygame. Lampard is fat, and useless.

AHAHAHA Lampard is fat?? Are you kidding me? He's nowhere near fat so unless you're a twig like Crouch, i wouldn't call the fat card on him. Lampard is fit, full stop.

As for Beckham being the best player... have you been watching the games lately? The guy can barely cross properly anymore, let alone take free kicks, can't defend, and has little pace. If any player deserves best player it's Gerrard, and the next best is most certainly not Becks. Beckham is very much like Ronaldo, great back in the day but a bit of a has-been now.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Robinson still looked pretty bad today...any thoughts on that? Nearly as bad as James in last Euro.

Robinson is fucking rubbish lol He barely moved for those goals. It was like watching a mannequin in goal. England's biggest downfall, most of the time, is their goalkeeping.

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Originally posted by loca AHAHAHA Lampard is fat?? Are you kidding me? He's nowhere near fat so unless you're a twig like Crouch, i wouldn't call the fat card on him. Lampard is fit, full stop. As for Beckham being the best player... have you been watching the games lately? The guy can barely cross properly anymore, let alone take free kicks, can't defend, and has little pace. If any player deserves best player it's Gerrard, and the next best is most certainly not Becks. Beckham is very much like Ronaldo, great back in the day but a bit of a has-been now.

it was a joke about lampard being fat, it's just a joke, of course he's fit. he's just fucking useless.

watch out for teams like argentina to exploit robinson...hes a good shot stopper...but on crosses and short quick passes in the box he can be a little suspect.

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Originally posted by loca Robinson is fucking rubbish lol He barely moved for those goals. It was like watching a mannequin in goal. England's biggest downfall, most of the time, is their goalkeeping.

Only lately! Seaman was brilliant in the 96 Euro and 98 World Cup and at least kept England in it. I'm sorry for him that Ronaldinho's fluke goal in 2002 is what he'll be remembered for most in an England jersey though. And Calamity James in 2004? Let's not go there. But Peter Shilton, who was England goalie from the early 70s until 1990 was one of the best of his time. And Gordon Banks of the 60s was probably the best goalie of all time. He made what Pele called the greatest save ever in the 1970 World Cup against Brazil.

But Robinson has looked hesistant and almost...stunned back there since the T and T game. That won't do. A keeper must always be moving and trying to anticipate and above all, be decisivie with balls in the air!

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Originally posted by Aitizaz watch out for teams like argentina to exploit robinson...hes a good shot stopper...but on crosses and short quick passes in the box he can be a little suspect.

its because of his height, also his reach and punching skills leave a lot to be desired.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Only lately! Seaman was brilliant in the 96 Euro and 98 World Cup and at least kept England in it. I'm sorry for him that Ronaldinho's fluke goal in 2002 is what he'll be remembered for most in an England jersey though. And Calamity James in 2004? Let's not go there. But Peter Shilton, who was England goalie from the early 70s until 1990 was one of the best of his time. And Gordon Banks of the 60s was probably the best goalie of all time. He made what Pele called the greatest save ever in the 1970 World Cup against Brazil. But Robinson has looked hesistant and almost...stunned back there since the T and T game. That won't do. A keeper must always be moving and trying to anticipate and above all, be decisivie with balls in the air!

Yeah that's why i said most of the time, rather than always. Seaman wasn't bad when he started, but like you said, it's unfortunate he'll be remembered for that goal.

And lol @ James. I'm just hoping Robinson isn't going down that same road because he's showing indications of rubbishness right now. He needs to step it up a little if he doesn't want to get murdered by the English press.

I think it's safe to say that when they put on that red and white jersey, something strange happens to them. I watch a lot of EPL and Lampard does not disappear for Chelsea the way he does for England. Robinson does not flail around and stand on his line stunned like an old senile person while playing for Tottenham. Gerrard is beginning to show his Liverpool form the last two games and Rooney always plays with fire. But there is obviously so much pressure on these guys to win, I kinda feel sorry for them sometimes.

if Lampard buried a few of those long range shots, you guys wouldn't be talking about his game in a negative way now.

Lampard does a lot for England. I personally think Gerard is a better player, but Lampard does a lot of little things at the back. If you say that to have them both in the middle England wont win is an understatement. England does have a strong chance this year, I just think that goaltending is their key weakness. They don't have the Didas or Lehnmans. Robinson is a just above average goalie. He is no Peter Shilton or Dave Seaman.

Anyway, my point was that all this bashing of Lampard isn't worth it. He's always a dangerous force in the middle and comes back to help out at the back. You can't ask from his more than what he's doing. Yes, sometimes he has bad games. That's every player. Ronaldinho also had a bad game this tournament. It happens to everyone. But everytime he's on that pitch, he's dangerous in every way, you don't cover him properly and he'll make you pay!

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Originally posted by Tiesto4Life if Lampard buried a few of those long range shots, you guys wouldn't be talking about his game in a negative way now. Lampard does a lot for England. I personally think Gerard is a better player, but Lampard does a lot of little things at the back. If you say that to have them both in the middle England wont win is an understatement. England does have a strong chance this year, I just think that goaltending is their key weakness. They don't have the Didas or Lehnmans. Robinson is a just above average goalie. He is no Peter Shilton or Dave Seaman. Anyway, my point was that all this bashing of Lampard isn't worth it. He's always a dangerous force in the middle and comes back to help out at the back. You can't ask from his more than what he's doing. Yes, sometimes he has bad games. That's every player. Ronaldinho also had a bad game this tournament. It happens to everyone. But everytime he's on that pitch, he's dangerous in every way, you don't cover him properly and he'll make you pay!

Well said! A big + 1 to that!

tomorrow afternoon I will be going back and forth between Kelsey's restaurant (right beside my work) to watch THE game!

Nederland vs. Argentina


It is definitely gonna be a good game. And I am definitely rooting for Orange to come out on top.

GO HOLLAND GO


I really do hate not being able to watch the full game though. I will be able to get in either the first or second half but not both

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Originally posted by magikb GO HOLLAND GO

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Originally posted by loca

are you cheering for germany, brazil or holland?

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Originally posted by magikb GO HOLLAND GO

awesome!...another holland fan

i just hope we see something tomorrow that is along the lines of what we've come to expect from holland vs argentina matches...the marco van basten drubbing argentines got in 74 and the Dennis Bergkamp wonder goal from 98 stand out...who's gonna step up tomorrow? i think its gonna be Van Persie

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Originally posted by Aitizaz i think its gonna be Van Persie

and Van der Sar needs to be on his game as well which he hasn't really disappointed yet.

I think that Holland as a team, with Van Basten coaching, know what they have to accomplish tomorrow and know what they definitely need to improve on. I don't think it is gonna be an easy game, but I do think that Holland is gonna come out with the win tomorrow. They will want that win bad enough. Honestly, who wants to advance second in the group when they can have first with an unbeaten record to go along with that 1st place in the group
And to top it all off, they will want the win over Argentina even more

I say Holland hasn't even begun to show us what they've got yet!



and with that all being said, I really need to see if I can have from 3pm onward off tomorrow to watch this game.. lol

^^ lol that's hillarious...but it's one of the teams that could win it all

As for the Beckham discussion I agree he is the top player - when Rooney came off and got subbed by Gerard Becks went up front and not only ran his ass off across the entire pitch for 90 minutes but started attacking. If you payed attention other than Crouch that was a bit useless other than a few headers Becks was trying to take headers in the box all of the second half.

On another note...found this gallery: Babes of the world cup enjoy http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/pgS...92&pageNumber=1

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