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While I still think Nyana is a marginal, not-so-worthy track, I've been considering the fact that this was a live performance.

And for a live performance, this really wasn't that bad. I think some minds are going to change once we get ahold of a mastered studio version. Possible 2003 anthem indeed.

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Originally posted by d-jay MyTH If everyone thought like u did, trance music would get boring with same floaty, airy vocals on everything. Her voice is one of the reasons the song is what it is: INDIVIDUAL why is it people with closed minds always feel the need to open their mouths?

Look, maybe I wrote what I was REALLY trying to say wrongly, OK? Let me at least try and clear things up.

1st of all, she may have a beautiful voice, period. She may have a beautiful voice when this song is recorded as a vinyl/cd/whatever. But, from hearing this sample, her voice, IMHO, a) doesn't sound like it would go well in a 'trancy'-sounding song, period. Also, b) it just doesn't go well with this particluar song. I will admit that it gets increasingly better towards the end with the more powerful-sounding lyrics, and that is fine by me. But, from what I can tell so far, and Tiesto and Rain will have to prove otherwise, the way in which she sings combined with the way her actual voice sounds just doesn't belong in this song, or any trance record for that matter.

Now as far as Jan and Nicole don't sound good live, I can't contest that for i have never had the pleasure of hearing them live. I can only go by the countless hits that the two of them have had on 12". Furthermore, and regardless of what you think about the "same floaty vocals," what do you think makes trance...TRANCE???? Look up the very definition of trance. Does a woman's voice such as this fit in that description? Now, if you were speaking of a dirtier, darker, more prog tune, I can see where you'ld have a leg to stand on with the whole "trance would get boring with the same floaty, airy vocals." But the fact remains that Tiesto is a proven Dutch-style trance producer, and in that particluar style, the more floaty, airy vocals (if any) JUST FIT.

Besides, who needs vocals anyway!?!?!? With your logic, I could turn around and say "trance music would get boring if no songs ever had vocals" when some (most??) of the greatest trance songs made don't have a HINT of vocals in them. I would think it's safe to say that most trance songs, good or bad, don't have vocals. With that said, trance artists have proven time and time again that 'the same old thing'..........drum roll........WORKS.So what kind of logic is that which you use??? You state firmly that if things in trance music stay the same, it will become boring. Yet, the basic principal behind trance music (i.e. mostly 4/4, dream-like, TRANCY, etc) hasn't changed in how many years??? Yet you called MEEEEE close-minded, when you yourself have shut yourself out to the very notion of why trance works, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." IMO, trance has never been "broke" so why fix it? I'm not saying have evvvvverrryyy siiinnnggllleeeee song be dreamy, light, fluffy-cloud crap, either. But what I am saying is stay true to the roots of trance, and most of all, stick with what works.

I will admit that I was waaay too harsh in my criticism of Rain, especially considering I haven't heard the studio version of the song, but I am replying to what I have to work with....that audio clip. Once the release comes out, I will give a more thorough, in-depth, and NICER review of it.

As far as my "close-mindedness," before you reply with such a statement about me, maybe you need to click this link to know who you are talking about. Click on that link and if it worked properly you should be on the 4th page of that thread, and look at my reply to people flaming tiesto. And again....you called me close-minded.

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Originally posted by ne1seenmykeys Look, maybe I wrote what I was REALLY trying to say wrongly, OK? Let me at least try and clear things up. 1st of all, she may have a beautiful voice, period. She may have a beautiful voice when this song is recorded as a vinyl/cd/whatever. But, from hearing this sample, her voice, IMHO, a) doesn't sound like it would go well in a 'trancy'-sounding song, period. Also, b) it just doesn't go well with this particluar song. I will admit that it gets increasingly better towards the end with the more powerful-sounding lyrics, and that is fine by me. But, from what I can tell so far, and Tiesto and Rain will have to prove otherwise, the way in which she sings combined with the way her actual voice sounds just doesn't belong in this song, or any trance record for that matter. Now as far as Jan and Nicole don't sound good live, I can't contest that for i have never had the pleasure of hearing them live. I can only go by the countless hits that the two of them have had on 12". Furthermore, and regardless of what you think about the "same floaty vocals," what do you think makes trance...TRANCE???? Look up the very definition of trance. Does a woman's voice such as this fit in that description? Now, if you were speaking of a dirtier, darker, more prog tune, I can see where you'ld have a leg to stand on with the whole "trance would get boring with the same floaty, airy vocals." But the fact remains that Tiesto is a proven Dutch-style trance producer, and in that particluar style, the more floaty, airy vocals (if any) JUST FIT. Besides, who needs vocals anyway!?!?!? With your logic, I could turn around and say "trance music would get boring if no songs ever had vocals" when some (most??) of the greatest trance songs made don't have a HINT of vocals in them. I would think it's safe to say that most trance songs, good or bad, don't have vocals. With that said, trance artists have proven time and time again that 'the same old thing'..........drum roll........WORKS.So what kind of logic is that which you use??? You state firmly that if things in trance music stay the same, it will become boring. Yet, the basic principal behind trance music (i.e. mostly 4/4, dream-like, TRANCY, etc) hasn't changed in how many years??? Yet you called MEEEEE close-minded, when you yourself have shut yourself out to the very notion of why trance works, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." IMO, trance has never been "broke" so why fix it? I'm not saying have evvvvverrryyy siiinnnggllleeeee song be dreamy, light, fluffy-cloud crap, either. But what I am saying is stay true to the roots of trance, and most of all, stick with what works. I will admit that I was waaay too harsh in my criticism of Rain, especially considering I haven't heard the studio version of the song, but I am replying to what I have to work with....that audio clip. Once the release comes out, I will give a more thorough, in-depth, and NICER review of it. As far as my "close-mindedness," before you reply with such a statement about me, maybe you need to click this link to know who you are talking about. Click on that link and if it worked properly you should be on the 4th page of that thread, and look at my reply to people flaming tiesto. And again....you called me close-minded.

you're a fuckhead, the only form of trance doesnt exist purely as uplifting and melodic, trance can be dark and it can be dirty and it doesnt have to be progressive (read: boring) by being that.

you're comment, 'stick with what works' precisely points out what everyone has been trying to say. THE SONG IN ITS CURRENT FORM DOESNT STICK WITH WHAT WORKS, THATS WHAT MAKES IT GOOD.
sorry if some of us are sick and fucking tired of happy happy joy joy im high on emotional trance that makes me cry like a fucking baby.
if you have listened to recent tiesto work you would know his style has been going darker and darker, going away from uplifting melodic, as he has said himself numerous times in interviews, that style is becoming overused and stale. take a look at conjure one - tears from the moon (tiesto's isos mix) and you'll see trance doesnt have to be light airy fairy uplifting with soft or whiney female vocals. it can be dark and powerful.
you can't say that her voice doesnt belong in this track or any trance track, its not for you to say. do you even know who the fuck you are talking about here? tiesto. dont you think that if someone, anyone for matter, were to make this work, one of those people would be tiesto? i reckon so. how can you say her voice just doesnt go with this track, when the only version you have is badly mixed (between track and live vocals), has an absolutely shitload of crowd noise and is only 5 minutes long? thats an ill-informed opinion if i've ever seen one.

the track, from the tmf sample/rip i have, absolutely rocks. almost everything (in terms of elements) sounds quality, unfortunately the actual quality of sound from the recording isnt great, but it still is on repeat for me.

take a seat son, dont make me come back and thoroughly hammer your next post with a horde of quotes.

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Originally posted by ne1seenmykeys 1/Look, maybe I wrote what I was REALLY trying to say wrongly, OK? 2)IMHO, a) doesn't sound like it would go well in a 'trancy'-sounding song, period. Also, b) it just doesn't go well with this particluar song...her actual voice sounds just doesn't belong in this song, or any trance record for that matter. 3/ But the fact remains that Tiesto is a proven Dutch-style trance producer, and in that particluar style, the more floaty, airy vocals (if any) JUST FIT.

1/How was i supposed to know that, i'm not a mind reader. I'm not gonna apoligise for taking something you said at face value. Ever heard the expression 'a jury can only be good as the evidence before it'? Well i think you realise my position considering you yourself said: "but I am replying to what I have to work with"


2/Fair enough that is your opinion and you are entitled to it but there others who would back me up in saying ur talking shite as far as they are concerned. Many ppl regard 'yet another day' as one of the best trance songs of last year. yet that was sung by an old, probably balding, man with one of the gruffest sounding voices i've ever heard on a trance record. Another example DMB - space between us (tiesto mix)....nuff said!

3/I'm beginning to wonder if you have even heard tiesto's album. Yes he is dutch but his album is not filled only 'floaty, airy' uplifting songs. Besides, if u listen to ten more carefully u'd see the lyrics are not about how wonderful love is etc. They are clearly angst ridden. The shout, angry style suits the mood. The music has agressive tones in itself, especially if u compare it something like southern sun.

4/I would NEVER say that all songs need vocals...i think your going off the point and don't feel the need to write anymore on that point.


I will say it again: "why do people with closed minds always feel the need to open thier mouths?

seems like a good tune is going on on the background of all that crowd noise. i can hardly hear anything apart from some great synths at the start and some vocals that doesn't sound as horrible as everyone's saying.

i like it!! come on tiesto!

skunk anansie did an old skool remix of "weep" back in the early 90's with some house producers..she was great then and im sure she is great now..cant wait for the release..

The more I listen to it the more I like it shitt so cant wait for tiesto in concert!!

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Originally posted by sifntj0r take a seat son, dont make me come back and thoroughly hammer your next post with a horde of quotes.

that was worth me reading through this whole damn thread :-)

Skin rules and its great that Tiesto is trying out different things. I think her voice will perfectly suit this banging tune
Live vocals, especially Dance music, never sound good.

Take Avril Lavigne for example, not that im trying to say she is any good
Her singing live is !!
I can sing better than her fs.

dub will be nice

i heard it, and W W ,, i luv the track and the great build up in the beginning, cant wait to hear the non live version though,,, i wasnt really particularly interested with the vocals...doeas anyone know if there is a non vocals version of the song????????,, i just want to hear the track

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Originally posted by JPJH skunk anansie did an old skool remix of "weep" back in the early 90's with some house producers..she was great then and im sure she is great now..cant wait for the release..

i've always liked her vocals. Brazen (weep) and hedonism are excellent.

Infact Brazen (weep) (hani club mix) is worth checking out> It was that kind of style that got me in to trance in the first place back in 1996/7

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Originally posted by d-jay MyTH i've always liked her vocals. Brazen (weep) and hedonism are excellent. Infact Brazen (weep) (hani club mix) is worth checking out> It was that kind of style that got me in to trance in the first place back in 1996/7

WOW! I LOVED that tune back in the day when I started out. It was so amazing. Too bad I never liked that beat. I wish I had a chance to work on that track. The vocals ARE amazing!!!Skunk Anansie's voice is different.

"Ten" sounds cool. I got a chance to listen to it last night for the first time and picked up on it already. Definite potential. I didn't even know that was Anansie!? I see a liking here!

"...I called you brazen
Called you whore right to your face....."

once again, tijs comes out with a new TIESTOMENT (mwahahaha)

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Originally posted by whiskers once again, tijs comes out with a new TIESTOMENT (mwahahaha)

lol!!

omg i must hear

i found out the name of the beginning beat its called faithfullness, wish i can find it anywhere to download though

this tune is off it.. cant wait to hear the studio version

is "ten" the final title?

Its good, but all this hype will surely not bode well for those who have suddenly heard about the tune and will have extremely elevated opinions about what it will sound like! ALl i have to say is that it is very good, the voice of skin adds a lot of character to it expecially near the end where she sings that long note, thats soooooo good!

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Originally posted by sifntj0r you're a fuckhead

www.dictionary.com, and look up the word maturity. There are several ways to get across to me what you are trying to prove. By starting out calling me a fuckhead is NOT one of them. I shouldn't even have read past that, but I did anyway, to give you the benefit of the doubt. From what I read, I should have just skipped past your whole post b/c.........

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, the only form of trance doesnt exist purely as uplifting and melodic, trance can be dark and it can be dirty and it doesnt have to be progressive (read: boring) by being that.

::slaps forehad: NOOO SHIT!! Did you even READ what I wrote? No, seriously....did you???? I specifically said, and i quote, "I'm not saying have evvvvverrryyy siiinnnggllleeeee song be dreamy, light, fluffy-cloud crap." I fucking agree with you, if you didn't notice. I LIKE dark...I LIKE dirty...I LIKE progressive trance. I have QUITE a good number of these kinds of records in my collection and they don't just sit there...i wear them the fuck out!!!!!!

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you're comment, 'stick with what works' precisely points out what everyone has been trying to say. THE SONG IN ITS CURRENT FORM DOESNT STICK WITH WHAT WORKS, THATS WHAT MAKES IT GOOD.

again, have you read anything in this thread? If you go back, look atthe number of people who said it DOESN'T work as compared to the number of people who think it DOES work. Again...READ.

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sorry if some of us are sick and fucking tired of happy happy joy joy im high on emotional trance that makes me cry like a fucking baby.

Yet again, something you and I agree on. I'm glad that Tiesto and others are getting a little darker and progressive. Change is good, and if you would have read what I posted in that thread (the link I provided, but yet you must have skipped that too) about people bashing Tiesto, change is in most cases NEEDED and INEVITABLE for an artist to become 'complete.' I'm all for change, and is that is towards a more progressive sound, fine by me!!!!!!

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if you have listened to recent tiesto work you would know his style has been going darker and darker, going away from uplifting melodic, as he has said himself numerous times in interviews, that style is becoming overused and stale. take a look at conjure one - tears from the moon (tiesto's isos mix) and you'll see trance doesnt have to be light airy fairy uplifting with soft or whiney female vocals. it can be dark and powerful.

Holy shit, we agreee AGAIN. And yet again, you prove that you don't knwow what the fuck you are talking about. Why, when I write "he produces the Dutch sound' do you automatically assume I am talking about floaty airy shit? Right now, with artists like Fijneman, Tiesto, Impact, etc and others from the black-Hole label and beyond, their styule is RIGHT ON as far as I'm concerned. They have evolved the Dutch sound to something less airy and floaty into something powerful and intense....dirtier and darker. So don't fucking assume when I say 'the Dutch sound" i am talking about happy go-go crap. In fact, I have the Nettwerk release with the Hybrid and ISOS mix on the flip. I often use the Hybrid mix to start a set, or come with the ISOS mix later in a set to puncuate things. AGAIN, you and i are in aggreance on these things, not opposites.

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who are you to say that her voice doesnt belong in this track or any trance track, its not for you to say.

Just like it's not for you to say it is the other way around. Again, flawed logic at work. You tell me I can't say what I believe, but yet I am to accept what you say as "the way" ????? Give me a fucking break.

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do you even know who the fuck you are talking about here? tiesto. dont you think that if someone, anyone for matter, were to make this work, one of those people would be tiesto? i reckon so.

UMMMMMMMM, yeah, I think I know we're talking about Tiesto. he happens to be my favorite DJ AND Producer of all-time, so yeah, I think it's safe to say that I know who the fuck he is and what he's capable of. Listen to me here though, ok.....look carefully, b/c i don't want you not reading things again. Until I have the studio version to work with to prove me wrong, I stand by MY OPINION that her voice doesn't go well in this track. The key fucking words in that sentence are "my opinion." I love tiesto as much, if not more than the next guy, but what the fuck doesn't give me the right to say "from what I heard in this sample, it sounds like garbage."???? The track itself is the fucking shi, from what I can hear. The energy alone it creates sounds fucking amazing. I just wish that Rain wasn't singing over the track. AGAIN, you prove that you must not have read what i wrote, b/c the last thing I wrote was that "I'll wait for the dub." And until that time, I will continue to say her vocals are crap on top of this song.

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how can you say her voice just doesnt go with this track, when the only version you have is badly mixed (between track and live vocals), has an absolutely shitload of crowd noise and is only 5 minutes long? thats an ill-informed opinion if i've ever seen one.

Again, the reason HOW I can say her voice doesn't go with this track is the same reason I can whatever the fuck I want about ANYTHING....BECAUSE IT IS MY OPINION, and EVERYONE is entitled to MY opinion As far as the BASIS of forming that opinion, I think you answered it with track quality, badly mixed, crowd noise, etc. Do I need to state the obvious again? Again, read me carfeully here, ok????? I think the track itself is amazing, but i am going to have to wait for the studio version tocome out to give a more solid review of the way rain's vocals go with this track. SHit, i even fuckig apologized for giving such a harsh review on such a poor quality recording. What more do you want me to fucking say????

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the track, from the tmf sample/rip i have, absolutely rocks. almost everything (in terms of elements) sounds quality, unfortunately the actual quality of sound from the recording isnt great, but it still is on repeat for me.

Great, that is your opinion and I at least respect it. Wish I got the same treatemtn from you. Again, I don't agree with what you say, but i at least respect it, but.........

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take a seat son, dont make me come back and thoroughly hammer your next post with a horde of quotes.

I don't fucking respect this. You didn't thouroughly hammer shit. Well, maybe one thing you did hammer....the fact that you can't, or didn't want, to fucking read what I wrote. I have provided you with so much overwhelming evidence to contradict things you said about me and questioned me on that you obviously and rather blatantly overlooked, it's scary. Here's some advice for you....Next time you want to reply like you did to my posts, read them thouroughly and then think before you actually type shit out, b/c if you don't, that's exactly what you'll write.

Now, let's review what I've said in this post, just in case you like to skip everything over, ok?????

1) www.dictionary.com, and look up the word "maturity"
2) You have to actually read what people write b4 u respond to it
3) Think before you write
4) You = 0nWed

yawn. another default tiesto track.

i actually thoiught the start was pretty good and evil but apparently thats part of another track so...

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Originally posted by d-jay MyTH 1/How was i supposed to know that, i'm not a mind reader. I'm not gonna apoligise for taking something you said at face value. Ever heard the expression 'a jury can only be good as the evidence before it'? Well i think you realise my position considering you yourself said: "but I am replying to what I have to work with"

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OK, i agree. I understand why you said that. i really don't have a beef with you. In fact, my reply to you was in part an apology for responding so harshly to a poor quality sample. Thank you for at least having enough decency to disagree with me in a mature manner

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2/Fair enough that is your opinion and you are entitled to it but there others who would back me up in saying ur talking shite as far as they are concerned. Many ppl regard 'yet another day' as one of the best trance songs of last year. yet that was sung by an old, probably balding, man with one of the gruffest sounding voices i've ever heard on a trance record. Another example DMB - space between us (tiesto mix)....nuff said!

Agree again. While i have stated that this song is not airy and dreamy, it is a VERY powerful song with strong synth lines (from what I can tell), which I would personally say would give this song "uplifting qualities." And while I am not the chosen one to say "[insert random trance diva here] should sing in this song, and this person should not," I would expect someone with a little more 'trancy' voice to be a song such as this one. That's ALL I'm saying.....nothing more, nothing less.

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3/I'm beginning to wonder if you have even heard tiesto's album. Yes he is dutch but his album is not filled only 'floaty, airy' uplifting songs. Besides, if u listen to ten more carefully u'd see the lyrics are not about how wonderful love is etc. They are clearly angst ridden. The shout, angry style suits the mood. The music has agressive tones in itself, especially if u compare it something like southern sun.

Again, I apologize for generalizing when I should have been more specific. Since i was talking about 'what ahs worked in the past' I was continuing on that past tense theme when I wrote the dutch-style comment. THEN (couple of years back), the Dutch style was floaty, airy, stuff. NOW, the Dutch style has seemed to get a little bit dirtier and darker (Lethal Indusrty is what jumps out in my mind), and i like that. Will the vocals for this stle evolve as well? i would certainly think so. But I was mainly referring to the main elements in this song sounding more like the old-school Dutch sound, not some dark, dirty song of new. There are definitely darker elements in this one, especially at the beginning, but once that main beat kicks in and the crowd goes fucking wild, it seems to me like a most definite uplifting song, which is why I don't understand why exactly Rain was chosen for the vocals. I will admit, however, the more I listen to it, the more it kind of grows on me

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I will say it again: "why do people with closed minds always feel the need to open thier mouths?

I will say it again. I don't see how, after reading the post I made to back Tiesto up in that bashing session (link I provided) you can say that I am close-minded. I apologized for giving such a harsh review (which has not been done by anyone else i might add, but yet my post gets singled out) and even said that I will have to wait for the studio version to give a completely unbiased review of this song. Where is the confusion in my being close-mindedness? Sorry to keep this going, but my open-mindedness is a trait that people have always regarded and known me for, not chastised me for. I simply gave an opinion of a clip that is the only thing i had to work with, and then followed that by apologizing and saying I will wait for "the real thing" to give another. How am I STILL being close-minded????

Ladies, ladies calm down.

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Originally posted by INFERNO2K Ladies, ladies calm down.

hehehehhe

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