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Originally posted by xKaoSx I should have enough space for hosting. And I signed you up!

as long as your webspace supports php and mysql

ok, thx.

Darn...i would like to really take part n all that but im only on 56k so theres me out, sorry girls and boys...

Count me in for the competition.

I have a few suggestions also. I am a huge stats fan, and I would like to do something like a win/lose/tie stat after your ranking and name. This wouldn't really play into what rank you were or how hard it would be for someone to beat you, ideally, but this way we can keep track of how many competitions we have all been in, and what our record is. That way you can separate a brand new flavor from a long time favorite.

Also, I think that the length should be 30 minutes and that the last track has to start by the 30 min mark or you're disqualified. If we allow djs to do full on sets, then the tracks are going to get really old really quickly. I'm sure that most of us can't afford to buy the amount of records required to keep the judges interested past a few sets that will start having the same tracks in them. People are going to reuse sets over and over, even if they mix them fresh each time. This is why I think that a 30 min time limit, about 5-8 tracks should be the limit.

In addition, I think that this competition should only be open to those who buy their music, so the record label must be included or something to help verify this. And to not be unreasonable, let's say there is a max of 1-2 tracks that are not owned by the dj. If you have to own your music, then this would eliminate MP3 djs that use programs to mix rather than investing money in djing equipment like the rest of us. (Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying that MP3 djs can't be good, but why should they get to steal their music and not have to buy equipment and still be allowed to compete with those that have paid their dues?) Also, since this IS the amateur Dj forum, I think that if you hold a residency, you shouldn't be allowed to compete.

Anyway, I think that there have been only one or two posts with an "official" tone of the rules of who can compete, who can't compete and what the guidelines for competition will be.

For the actual competition, I think that a 30 min record set that is uploaded to some common space is the way to go. If you do live streaming sets, then that will eliminate most of us, I would think. Those at college with a T1 or T3 connection could do it and it would eliminate anyone with a dialup or dsl or asyn cable. I also don't think that you should have to be required to rent server space to be included either. If this is a purely Dj comeption, then let's not let computer limitations get in the way. Not only that, but time restriction is my biggest deal. I can't spend an hour or two throwing a set together every night. I can do it on the weekends and occasionally during the week, but with full time work and part time school....

I think that you should only be able to be challenged once a week and once you are, then you cannot be challenged again until that challenge is completed. Though to satisfy those with more time on their hands, let us say that you can challenge up to two people per week. Both challenge sets must be different from eachother and only one of the challenges can be for ranking, the other will be to increase that dj's win percentage.

Anyway, I'll stop so that you guys can give your input on my suggestions, and don't forget to add my name to the ladder! Thanks a lot!

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Originally posted by Dj Flesch In addition, I think that this competition should only be open to those who buy their music, so the record label must be included or something to help verify this. And to not be unreasonable, let's say there is a max of 1-2 tracks that are not owned by the dj. If you have to own your music, then this would eliminate MP3 djs that use programs to mix rather than investing money in djing equipment like the rest of us. (Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying that MP3 djs can't be good, but why should they get to steal their music and not have to buy equipment and still be allowed to compete with those that have paid their dues?) Also, since this IS the amateur Dj forum, I think that if you hold a residency, you shouldn't be allowed to compete.

This is supposed to be about mixing skills, not how many vinyls you own. The fact that you have "paid your dues" as you put it is certainly important if you want to get a residency, but really has nothing to do with a competition on TA about who has the greatest mixing. I would still respect an MP3DJ who is better than me, because the underlying skills required are the same.

BTW, it's not 'stealing' either. Contrary to what the RIAA will have you believe, copyright violation != theft.

I want in, please put me on the ladder!

Here are my thoughts, in point form to be concise:

1. I think the format is great, basic rules stated are acceptable.
   
2. I don't think we should bar professionals, or mp3 DJs as long as they do it "live" of course, no mixmeister or pro tools sequencing.
   
3. I think a website is neccesary before starting competition.
   
4. I think thirty minute sets are a good time limit (meaning last song has to be STARTED before the 30 minute mark)
   
5. I think that either recorded or streaming sets should be accepted. If the mix is recorded, then it should be streamed from the server to the judges so all can hear simultaneously.
   
6. There needs to be some way of addressing cheating.
   
7. I forsee a problem with the time required of judges. I think that we should pick an initial set of judges, and then have a rotating system of letting random competitors judge.
   

1. decide where to host site, begin building framework etc.
   
2. finalize the rules.
   

MP3, CD, Vinyl is the medium- That's final.
You dont like it dont join.
sorry.

You dont even have to declare what you use.

understood. please add flesch and i to the list.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith understood. please add flesch and i to the list.

Judges-

01. nickmahoney (Progressive, Prog Trance, Hard Trance, Trance, Deep House, Prog House, and Tech Trance)
02. DJ APX (Uplifting Trance, Prog Trance, Hard Trance and Tech Trance)
03. mr_sick (Uplifting Trance, Hard Trance, Tech Trance, Techno, Hardtek)
04.
05.

Athlete's

01. xKaoSx
02. DamnDirtyApe
03. DJ NGE
04. Nell
05. Nrg2Nfinit
06. t0ast!
07. tu_face
08. Project T
09. gibbo
10. flesch
11. dJohn
12. JohnSmith
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

Anyone wants to be moved to judge or added to ladder- PM or reply here

Re: TA Ladder Ranking System

someone please fix this so i can edit my posts- wont let me-

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Judges- 01. nickmahoney (Progressive, Prog Trance, Hard Trance, Trance, Deep House, Prog House, and Tech Trance) 02. DJ APX (Uplifting Trance, Prog Trance, Hard Trance and Tech Trance) 03. mr_sick (Uplifting Trance, Hard Trance, Tech Trance, Techno, Hardtek) 04. tu_face (prog house, trance of any variety, techno, breaks) 05. Athlete's 01. xKaoSx 02. 03. mr_sick 04. Nell 05. Nrg2Nfinit 06. t0ast! 07. NOT TU_FACE 08. Project T 09. gibbo 10. 11. dJohn 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20.

ive taken myself off the atheletes list and put myself on the judges list.. i will maybe join as an athelete later on if/when i ever get broadband myself lol

I found i ladder ranking online system for tennis clubs. LOL
same thing pretty much

heres the link- rules for advancement etc would be the same. I wonder if the code or something is available to put into someone's own site.

heres the link

http://www.tennisengine.com/ranksys.htm

Rank gain for a win: 50 (percent, 50% default)

Max matches/day beteen SAME users: 1 (matches)

Number of days before winning and losing streaks reset: 30 (days)

Minutes players must wait between each match report: 5 (minutes)

Days of inactivity allowed before players deleted: 60 (days) [minimum 3]

Days of inactivity allowed before drop top ten players: 30 (days)

A "top player" is defined as a player less than: 4 (rank)

Days top players must wait before playing same user again: 7 (days)

Highest rank that is allowed to utilize formal challenge system: 20(rank)

Days between formal challenge by same users: 7 (days)

Days players have to complete formal challenge: 7 (days)


I think this site might work...

http://www.myleague.com/taladder/

looks a good system, gonna sticky this now, done some rather extensive testing, and i can stream @ 24k mono as long as it is relayed which i will prolly get ian to do for me, just as long as u can bare it

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Originally posted by Project T looks a good system, gonna sticky this now, done some rather extensive testing, and i can stream @ 24k mono as long as it is relayed which i will prolly get ian to do for me, just as long as u can bare it

Im sure Tiger Radio would be more than happy to stream for us.

I don't believe that I have seen anything definite about if we would be required to stream, upload or have our choice? Can anyone tell me if that is decided yet?

Also, for those of use who have the proper equipment (ie either two sound cards or a burner and a cd deck) then we can even do tag-team matches, where one person sends a mix of two tracks to another person, then that person burns the cd or plays the MP3 and then mixes in two more tracks. It would go back and forth twice. Then we could have a competition between two pairs of djs. What do you guys think?

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Originally posted by Dj Flesch I don't believe that I have seen anything definite about if we would be required to stream, upload or have our choice? Can anyone tell me if that is decided yet? Also, for those of use who have the proper equipment (ie either two sound cards or a burner and a cd deck) then we can even do tag-team matches, where one person sends a mix of two tracks to another person, then that person burns the cd or plays the MP3 and then mixes in two more tracks. It would go back and forth twice. Then we could have a competition between two pairs of djs. What do you guys think?

Heh- lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

Basically- this should be it-

Any medium is fine-
You can pre-record your set if you like. 30-60 mins.
You cannot use the same recording twice.
Both contestants agree on judging (anyone can judge really as long as the two people agree on who. Either 1,3,5 or in a chat room with voting at the end)
Person with higher ranking chooses if he wants to go first or second.

I think the ladder system will take care of rankings-
If you dont challenge or play- you just drop-
The more you play or challenge- obviously the higher your ranking is going to be.

Question really is where to start the rankings- I think everyone would start at 0 pts- (I believe thats the system the site uses)

The site is an overall site- so challenges would basically be considered "tournaments" and when there was a challenge- I or the judges would just enter in the challenge and once its over enter in the winner.
Everything else should take care of itself after that rankings wise.
I need to enter everyones name in on there and check things out a little more. Im thinking we should be going soon- so be ready!

everyone who would like to sign up- please go to

http://www.myleague.com/taladder/

and sign up so we can get everyone in

Need someone good with graphics to make a logo for the front page?

ive signed up but dont understand the site at all lol

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Originally posted by Project T ive signed up but dont understand the site at all lol

Basically just a site that host's tournaments and reporting and rankings.
Its a little screwy because I dont think its setup for head to head- mostly for like single elim tournies- but- shouldnt be too hard to figure out.
I have confidence in myself.
We can use #taladder for chat and judging rooms.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Need someone good with graphics to make a logo for the front page?

I'm gonna try something tommorow

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Basically just a site that host's tournaments and reporting and rankings. Its a little screwy because I dont think its setup for head to head- mostly for like single elim tournies- but- shouldnt be too hard to figure out. I have confidence in myself. We can use #taladder for chat and judging rooms.

confident enuff 2 challenge me w00t

prepare to win hehe

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Originally posted by Project T confident enuff 2 challenge me w00t prepare to win hehe

Just testing mate!

Send a challenge back please

And you're going to want to use a real email- challenges are send via email-


You cant challenge down- you can only challenge up.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx And you're going to want to use a real email- challenges are send via email- You cant challenge down- you can only challenge up.

hmm, i have no idea how to lol, explain here, ill read it when i get up and do it

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