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damn, that makes me well sad shokk and flutlicht were my favorite remixers/producers. i hope reverb finds the interest in producing again. i cant live without flutlicht/shokk toons! i wish him good luck in what he chooses to do...

hey dumonde trancer, i know you talk to the guys of flutlicht/shokk so do you know if giotto and natron are going to become a team?? or if they are going to continue on at all?

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Originally posted by TranceCluber im not agasit mp3 at any bit .... and no its not all about money but hey your getting something from them ...well ask your self this what are you giving them?????? shouldnt it be a give and take kinda thing to me sounds like u think its absolutely right to just take and say well hey its technology you shouldnt make money for what you do.. the real world is you want to make money with things you put ton of time and effort in it ... you act like just some artist wants to make money from his work is selling out thats not the reason at all . And no they will never be rich but shit they should be granted some kinda finacial support on our part especially when the scene is really down at the moment.. but like i said probably is way to much to ask for with most of you people ... btw back to mp3s i never said mp3s are bad its just people cant always take and never give either... but this all started by people bitching about producers stop producing and im telling you this mp3s have made records sales drop so i mean if you want free mp3s u also have to shell out some dough and support these people.. or you can sit here and tell them they dont deserve the money.. because i think thats extremely hypocritical i bet you wouldnt say if you were producer and all your tracks you dont see any kind of money going back may 1000$ for the track because the label cost to press the record was more then all the sales...which happen time in and time out ...and then you can say these guys want to be rich thats bs i think they should get something for what they do and not have to cut loses because some morons dont feel like shelling out some cash once in a while... all im saying is dont bitch in the near future when this industry goes to shits even more. Support is spread extremely thin in this industry yeah you can go to shows and all but fact is producers arnt getting booked djs are you go see dj spin and pay to get in supporting the dj...doesnt support the producer buying records support the producers! one more thing yeah djs can be grafeful for mp3 world to bring the fan based more globaly but that doesnt mean that these producers shouldnt get a penny our of the music and that people should just leech freely

what do i give back in return to djs and producers? I give back enuff to them just by coming out to their shows and telling my friends to check their tunes out. Thats all a musician needs, recognition and respect. You sound like just because someone makes music, you have to go out of the way to pay them back by buying this and that. There are a shit load of musicians out there that create and play music just because they just want ppl to hear and appreciate them. . .and that itself is a more valuable reward than money.
The support you talk about is financial support and honestly, i dont think half of these producers give a shit about the money. . . .except ian van dahl. Sure, pressing vinyl costs money, but that is the type of investment every musician has to make to express their work. You dont see musicians complaining how they have to pay all this money for their instruments. The support that keeps them in the business is not money, but from the roar they get from the crowd.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox everyone needs a break from electronic anyways Im having my break from electronic right now Listening to Oasis and Michelle Branch for the last couple days. (michelle branch omg i die!)

I LOVE Michelle Branch as well!!!! One of very few non-electronic artists I listen to, amazingly sweet voice and very good song writing!

it's sad indeed but artist overload excessive expectations and other personal projects you'd like to follow up on cause you to not feel fulfillment with what you're currently doing show honesty upon yourself and others.

wish em luck with what they currently are planning on doing.

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Originally posted by Busy Child what do i give back in return to djs and producers? I give back enuff to them just by coming out to their shows and telling my friends to check their tunes out. Thats all a musician needs, recognition and respect. You sound like just because someone makes music, you have to go out of the way to pay them back by buying this and that. There are a shit load of musicians out there that create and play music just because they just want ppl to hear and appreciate them. . .and that itself is a more valuable reward than money. The support you talk about is financial support and honestly, i dont think half of these producers give a shit about the money. . . .except ian van dahl. Sure, pressing vinyl costs money, but that is the type of investment every musician has to make to express their work. You dont see musicians complaining how they have to pay all this money for their instruments. The support that keeps them in the business is not money, but from the roar they get from the crowd.

looks like your tyring to make excuses ...hey btw what do you want to be when you grow up ...are you going to school .. i mean do you want to grow up to be certain someone and have your own business or what ever ..well what if everyone said ok you dont need to get paid just the respect and eknowledge of you doing what you do is enough you dont need money. i bet you sit back and say wait a min all the tiem i put for school all the time i tried to create something i love to do and i dont even get any finacial support out of it ??? i bet you bitch like a little kid if life was that way wouldnt you. So why the hell is the music industry not the same thing.. just because certain people make money for what they do doesnt mean they are selling out ..there is a difference to make track souly to know it will sell and make more money which is selling out or making money with the music you absolutley love which isnt selling out. all you can say hey these producers dont want to make any kind of money then let me tell you this why do djs take certain gigs and dont take others especially during new years or certain tim eof the year because they can make more money .. and no its not selling out but its like anything else in the world people like to have a job that they absolutley love doing but it doesnt mean because they love they shouldnt get paid for it. Yeah you give enough just let your self think that ...who ever said djing and being a producer isnt something u have to put an huge investment in because you obviously seem to think these producers jus make tracks so freely didnt have any money put in and its all fine and dandy that they shell in a lot of cash to produce the track with the equipment and then second off the labels put money to release these tracks for you guys and they lose money out of it this happens often in this industry but hey you probably could care less because hey you do enough .. FOr instance you go out to eat a waitress does a good job in waiting the table you tip them for there services because its out of respect...so tell me how is that any different for these people to put out tracks for you guys time in and time out and all you can say is i support but i dont ever should have to pay for anything back to them . sounds very ignorant let me tell you and very selfish.. would like to see if you would go to your favorite dj or artist and tell them your side of things as you told me see how they would react jus because you got all your stuff for free all these years wouldnt hurt to pay once ina while ..but keep on making excuses its easier to do that as well


oh one more thing this is the real world everyone needs money to keep there life going now a days this isnt la la land where no one needs money remember that people have family and kids to feed!

why would i make excuses? I dont know u and i could give two shits about what you spend your money on. You can go out and buy all the records and cds you want just to "support" your fav dj or producer. But dont come bitchin that hes sold out a year or two down the line. Its your money. You sympathize the fact that producers are getting jipped because theyve spent all this time and effort to produce music and not getting paid because ppl dont buy their records. Well lets settle this right now. Ask any producer out there. . .i dont care, ask dresden if you want since hes a TA . .. and ask him why he produces music. And i guarantee u "making money" wouldnt even be in his top 3 reasons.

and since you brought up waitressing. . . .

when was the last time you heard anyone waitress for free and when was the last time you heard someone play music for free.

I rest my case.

**and i believe the best musicians are the ones that play for free.

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Originally posted by Busy Child why would i make excuses? I dont know u and i could give two shits about what you spend your money on. You can go out and buy all the records and cds you want just to "support" your fav dj or producer. But dont come bitchin that hes sold out a year or two down the line. Its your money. You sympathize the fact that producers are getting jipped because theyve spent all this time and effort to produce music and not getting paid because ppl dont buy their records. Well lets settle this right now. Ask any producer out there. . .i dont care, ask dresden if you want since hes a TA . .. and ask him why he produces music. And i guarantee u "making money" wouldnt even be in his top 3 reasons. and since you brought up waitressing. . . . when was the last time you heard anyone waitress for free and when was the last time you heard someone play music for free. I rest my case. **and i believe the best musicians are the ones that play for free.

rest what case lol ....i never said the reason why they produce was for money but the fact its a career adn they deserve more and its just sad to see people like you who dont think that way who think paying for records once in a while is to much to ask for its a shame ... i mean go up to dresden and tell him give me all your tracks even ones that arnt released yet i doubt he would give every track of his so freely over to just anyone why is that because hey they think there work is worth more then to be just free for everyone. your quote," and i belive the best musicians are the onces that play for free." its what best for you i guess ...right??... and please dont put words in my mouth when i say that producers make tracks just to make money i never said that all im saying is that like for the last time is that these artist should get little more support finacially because they deserve it ...mayb you dont think these djs and producers deserve to make money well thats a shame on your part. but i sure think they should and i feel people with views like you that think 10$ for a record once in a while is to much while they sit at home enjoying there new mp3s and haveing endless music for non stop isnt worth few bucs once in a while to just tell the artist hey i appreciate what you do and here how is that respect?...i mean if producers didnt care one bit about money i mean why the fuck do they release records???? wouldnt it be easier just to release it on mp3 and have the world pass it around would be faster why to get the music around wouldnt u think so why spend the money on release records .. because in life you deserve something atleast... But hey myb those producers shouldnt ever think there hard work is worth anything because hey you know everything and you sure dont think there music is worth anything so mayb its not.... i guess its just worth it just for it to be FREE!!!

honestly stop being a little putz and support your djs and producers because from what you told me you sound like a stingy prick! i mean for instance what for some odd reason mp3 wouldnt exisit anymore what would you do??? Go buy records or would u just stop listening to the music.... if you would buy records then whats different then buying records now and helping the scene because everything needs some kinda of money backing it.... or would you stop listening ?? then your true colors would show if your a true fan or not. and you said about would you ask a waitress to work for free and would you ask dj to spin for free ...so what about producers??/ many dont dj many dont perform live so where is there end of the bargain??? i bet you dont dj or produce because i think your views would be differently if it was on the other end of the spectrum i guess everyone is to there own ... just hope some day you understand then life isnt a free ride that you have give to recieve ... ever heard that term " its better to give then to recieve" thats because better things will come to you if you think about others!

all i have to say never thought people would be so CHEAP!!!!!!! PATHETIC

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Originally posted by TranceCluber oh one more thing this is the real world everyone needs money to keep there life going now a days this isnt la la land where no one needs money remember that people have family and kids to feed!

very clever of u. did you learn that in college?

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Originally posted by TranceCluber well what if everyone said ok you dont need to get paid just the respect and eknowledge of you doing what you do is enough you dont need money. i bet you sit back and say wait a min all the tiem i put for school all the time i tried to create something i love to do and i dont even get any finacial support out of it ??? i bet you bitch like a little kid if life was that way wouldnt you.

why do you need financial support from something you love to do. You do it cuz you love to do it. DUH. Oh yea, your comment on me bitching like a little kid had a great touch on your comment as well.

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Originally posted by TranceCluber would like to see if you would go to your favorite dj or artist and tell them your side of things as you told me see how they would react

well of course, all djs/artists would want ppl to buy their records. HAHAHAHA. Good one mate.

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Originally posted by Stories I LOVE Michelle Branch as well!!!! One of very few non-electronic artists I listen to, amazingly sweet voice and very good song writing!

errr... yeh not to metion her sweet rack and killer ass.

this news surely sucks, i long believed that marco was the true driving force behind flutlict/s.h.o.k.k. productions and to have him depart the scene is truly a shame.

but in saying that kudos to him for being true to himself and not selling his fans short, he's not only a prodigious talent but he's an honourable person.

good luck to not only marco but also dani and claudio, thanks for the tunes.

very sad news indeed

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Originally posted by TranceCluber honestly stop being a little putz and support your djs and producers because from what you told me you sound like a stingy prick! i mean for instance what for some odd reason mp3 wouldnt exisit anymore what would you do??? Go buy records or would u just stop listening to the music.... if you would buy records then whats different then buying records now and helping the scene because everything needs some kinda of money backing it.... or would you stop listening ?? then your true colors would show if your a true fan or not. and you said about would you ask a waitress to work for free and would you ask dj to spin for free ...so what about producers??/ many dont dj many dont perform live so where is there end of the bargain??? i bet you dont dj or produce because i think your views would be differently if it was on the other end of the spectrum i guess everyone is to there own ... just hope some day you understand then life isnt a free ride that you have give to recieve ... ever heard that term " its better to give then to recieve" thats because better things will come to you if you think about others!

wow, lots of assumptions you made there. But if it makes you feel any better, i am a dj . . . .and i do have legit djing job at a club near school and if you want a demo, ill send it. HAHA

so what happens if there werent any mp3s. . . .would I start buying records, or stop listening to music? Well if it werent for mp3's, i wouldnt have discovered 75% of the talent out there in the world so I guess i wouldnt buy as much vinyl as i do now.
And the vinyl I do buy is a very small percentage of wat my mp3 collection is. . .why? Because the majority of my mp3s arent worth spending $10 on and unlike you, I buy my records because the track is hot, not because i feel sorry for the scene or the producer.
If a producer really wanted to succeed in music, he/she would find a way to do it and dont need ppl like you to feel sorry for them and buy their records out of pity.

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Originally posted by Busy Child wow, lots of assumptions you made there. But if it makes you feel any better, i am a dj . . . .and i do have legit djing job at a club near school and if you want a demo, ill send it. HAHA so what happens if there werent any mp3s. . . .would I start buying records, or stop listening to music? Well if it werent for mp3's, i wouldnt have discovered 75% of the talent out there in the world so I guess i wouldnt buy as much vinyl as i do now. And the vinyl I do buy is a very small percentage of wat my mp3 collection is. . .why? Because the majority of my mp3s arent worth spending $10 on and unlike you, I buy my records because the track is hot, not because i feel sorry for the scene or the producer. If a producer really wanted to succeed in music, he/she would find a way to do it and dont need ppl like you to feel sorry for them and buy their records out of pity.

well its nice you drift away fromt he subject i never said peopel shold feel sorry for them i said they should do it out of respect.. good for you that you have a legit djing job there buddy proud of you lol... well if you buy records then your doign the right thing but to say people who download mp3s and love songs and dont go buy those artist recrods is a shame and still stand to that point

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Originally posted by Busy Child very clever of u. did you learn that in college?

well someone seemed to not understand something so obvious

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Originally posted by Busy Child why do you need financial support from something you love to do. You do it cuz you love to do it. DUH. Oh yea, your comment on me bitching like a little kid had a great touch on your comment as well.

wel the statement above was directed towards something so obvious when i said money we all have to get some how or the other why not with somethign you love that should explain the reason why people need to have there records sold. if you put you first statement and the second one together sounds to me to be very hypocritical ... you can laugh at it all you want wasnt attended to be a joke but i guess you ran out of things to say

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Originally posted by Busy Child well of course, all djs/artists would want ppl to buy their records. HAHAHAHA. Good one mate.

well then why you keep bitching hmmmm

aw wat a fucking downer i loved those guys remixes....

sad.

i was actually downloading a few flutchit songs off the hub yesterday...thinking 'i wonder if thers gonna be any new tracks soon'

Re: *evilvermi*

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Originally posted by verminator coolio less shittrance to worry about

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Oi!Die techno purist!

Re: Re: Re: *evilvermi*

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Originally posted by verminator ouch.. btw you gonna eat it?

Together with a nice little bowl of Kellog's Rice Crispies!

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Originally posted by SgtFoo I'm surprised many of you haven't thought of it yet, but won't all of his first and best vinyls become high valued collector items amongst the DJ community? I'm just thinking, but maybe he's been told by his label to do this to get some quick cash from overprices "retired" name of FLutlicht/SHOKK and then bring him back under another alias?? This sin't the first time something like this has been done. All I know is I'm grabbing any vinyls by this artist I can find, not only b/c of the value, but b/c I love his stuff.

dont make such stupid fucking comments you utter prick.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous At least he's strong enough to stop producing what he no longer stands behind.

AMEN.

But it is still a sad state of affairs.

was marco the sound engineer for shokk and flutlicht because to me it seems like dani and cladio were doing most of the actual composing but marco was doing the producing.

i wish i was as musically talented as he is..

21.07.03

Rumors are spreading fast. So I'll better clarify some things...
This is NOT a joke. My decision is definite. It was NOT a precipitate decision. It has NOTHING to do with money or the mp3 scene. NO ONE has forced me.

As far as FLUTLICHT and S.H.O.K.K. are concerned, these projects will not die. I'll try hard to continue working with Daniel and Claudio. However, it's possible that our ideas of a new way and a new sound are too different. In the end there are two possibilities:
1. I'll stay with FLUTLICHT/S.H.O.K.K. and its sound will undergo a radical change
2. I'll leave FLUTLICHT/S.H.O.K.K. and Daniel or Claudio will make all future decisions concerning these projects

They are both always free to look for a new producer or to start building their own studio or whatever.

Marco

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Originally posted by SgtFoo I'm surprised many of you haven't thought of it yet, but won't all of his first and best vinyls become high valued collector items amongst the DJ community? I'm just thinking, but maybe he's been told by his label to do this to get some quick cash from overprices "retired" name of FLutlicht/SHOKK and then bring him back under another alias?? This sin't the first time something like this has been done. All I know is I'm grabbing any vinyls by this artist I can find, not only b/c of the value, but b/c I love his stuff.

Lightning records

TO MARCO:
tis a sad sad day for the trance world
i'll play my fav shokk and flutlicht mixes in your honor

cosmic gate - back to earth
this song is what first got me into the hard trance side

the thrillseekers - dreaming of you

thanks for all the tunes. the trance world will lose with you gone. Good luck with your visual project. If you are as talented in that as you are in producing trance, I'm sure you'll grace the world with wonderful creations once more.

i respect marcos decision to do what he thinks best, jus if he ever thinks bout keepin it goin as Dumonde Trancer said, then i think i speak for the rest of ta in saying that we're all behind him

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Originally posted by shoXx It's always sad when a producer stops producing.

yea....

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