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| Originally posted by Christopher B Here's what I think, somebody please tell me if I'm dead wrong: You all hate DJ Sammy and Ian van Dahl. If you were asked about his music, you would say something along the lines of "His music is cheesy shit, it is a disgrace to the scene". PvD said the exact same thing, because he feels the same way you all do. I can guarantee that every single person who has made a post looking down on PvD's comments has said the same thing, so who are the real hypocrites here? The truth is, the people who have bashed on PvD's "misconduct" really don't care about DJ Sammy or Ian van Dahl's well being. They are doing it because they want to get PvD anyway they can because they resent his popularity. It is really quite sad, especially considering he has been a huge part of the scene for over a decade. |
Well said PvD
remixes of some IvD tunes have been ok but it is damn true, the cheese has got to stop being the forefront representation of the genre, really class tunes have been released this year and no one knows about em cause of shit like that, I also agree how can one call themselves a "trance addict" and not even know what psy trance is, or not be able to name the largest melodic trance tunes, it is ridiculous, just because you think some epic cheese is the most amazing thing in the world doesnt mean you are an addict, i hit 10 hours a day or so on trance on the norm, massive amounts on the weekends and love every type, i really wish people would learn the genres beyond epic trance before they began posting here, that would make the "omg vocal trance is gay" and posts like that vanish
To defend PVD even further, he has been voted the foreman of trance, and is one of the lead guys in it. His productions of the past have been gifts to the world, the man is a genius when it comes to set construction and spins more genres than DJ sammy fans can name. PvD is not my fav producer, nor my fav DJ but i respect him imensely, shit i have even talked down on a bit of what he does but the man is immensely talented, DJ sammy is ass, there is no argument to be made in any of this, it is fact from one of the people who has molded trance for years.
Re: What PVD has to say about Ian Van Dahl and DJ Sammy in the Oct, 2003 MixMag
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| Originally posted by Karen Simon Cheesy records make proper trance look bad. Of course there are people who buy DJ Sammy records. They're not the same people that buy mine." |
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| TeKnoHe@d2025: 1998 into 1999 were the best years for trance and I'm sure that almost all of the old-schoolers around here will agree with me. So I don't really see how you can make that statement. |
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| Originally posted by AnGeLicK that's because its a remix that turned a shitty song into gold... kinda like the Dumonde remix of Barthezz - On The Move (what was he thinking releasing that original track) ... hey if shitty music inspires a good producer to make some banging trance more power to them |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 Are you referring to "Boys of Summer"?....u call the original song by Don Henley shitty?....DJ Sammy and every other producer destroyed that song.... |
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| Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis Wasn't the Dj Sammy crap stolen from Bryan Adams? |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 Nope...thats a 80's track by Don Henley |
Well i got brought into trance after a friend left a old twilo cd at my house...and since then i dug more and more underground...so yeah i got started on the mainstream candy...but i will say i will never spin any track that is on that level of music...i dont like candy vocal where they all find 1 million ways to describe love. I do like sum vocals but only real vocals, no more rich high pitch cute girly candy tracks. Just a warning...if u a dj who is about to spin for a mainly asian crowd in colorado...dont...if u spin real trance u'll just empty the club out there...i couldnt stand clubbin out there...i asked any1 out there if they like PvD and the majority replied "who's that?". But club church is nice. I hope one day to save colorado's club scene...who's with me?..lol!..whoa i drifted off subject...well here's my 2 cents...i only have 1 IVD track and its a gabriel & dresdon mix of "will I"(impulse buy)...and Dj Sammy? Id feel more respectable buying britney spears over his albums.
Btw i asked the mojority of the asian crowd...as far as the other crowds go...they try to stay on top of things but music gets out there pretty slow...payce and luv.
darude along with js 16 (similar sounds) have produced incredible tracks and remixes, and these tracks have also gone mainstream. I think people just like to bash trance when it becomes popular.
of course IAN VAN DAHL IS trance, trance is very distinguishable.. it has a unique structure.
I personally dont like dj sammy tracks and i think the only reason his 1 track is popular is because it was a cover from an old track which was popular. As for ian van dahl, big djs used to play his tracks all the time in their sets... take a look at big djs sets from 98 ,99,00 and so on they are filled with tracks like sandstorm, castles in the sky and other tracks which some people like to call cheese ??
paul van dyk used to spin darude sandstorm, tiesto used to spin stuff very similar to ian van dahl's stuff
the list goes on
and now pvd is playing destroy she sayd -de donatis remix
i think that would fall into the same catagory as ian van dahl, club trance
I am totally against bashing other music types.. if pvd doesnt like it.. he should just not play it..
i personally like some of ian van dahls productions.. i love alot of club trance.. and i hate alot of it too.. just like regular trance, progressive, house and any other genre
its all personal preference.. if you dont like it dont listen 
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| Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 PvD has no right to bash them, his productions aren't award winning |
to every "true trance listener", just shut up,
dj sammy never claimed that he was making trance music (as far as i know). he makes as someone else said commercial club music, and it works on charts & bit on the dancefloors.
(this also counts to all the other commercial club acts like lasgo, flip & fill.....)
however imo ivd is trance-act, maybe full-on commercial but still, listen to a.c.e. sampler, there you have 3 ivd tracks that's not so full-on commercial and rocks. imo ivd is not worse than svenson & gielen or voodoo & serano. s&g & v&d is very borderline to me, some songs sound very cheesy and is only saved by the artists credibility.
and i'm tired of threads bashing commercial acts, i would love you start a thread where you bash tiesto, three drives, armin, mike, pvd, ferry...(every "true trance act/artist"), for adding vocals to a track and making a radio edit & making a video for the song, but then all hell would break loose.
my point is that why are you judging the commercial acts, when the "non-commercial" are somewhat worse sometimes. if you don't like it, ignore it, it will go away eventually.
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| Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit darude along with js 16 (similar sounds) have produced incredible tracks and remixes, and these tracks have also gone mainstream. I think people just like to bash trance when it becomes popular. its all personal preference.. if you dont like it dont listen |
I disrespect PVD for saying this. Everyone is making his own music and i respect that. If i don't like a certain artist then i just don't listen to him/her. This sort of bashing bu PVD is not needed at all. It will only be negative to his position as a 'good' dj.
dj sammy has produced gr8 traxx...indisputably ..and castles in the sky by ivd was nice as well
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 And who is PVD to say country and/or western is bad?....the day PVD can sell a 1/4 of the amount of CDs that artists like Garth Brooks or Willie Nelson sell, or the day he can FILL...not half capacity...but FILL stadiums of 50,000 people with music HE personally produced...well then that is the day PVD can talk shit about country and/or western music... I am not a country fan...but PVD has some nerve to be so prentious to think he is in some way better then those artists that have been selling 10s of millions of CDs on their own with their own material for decades and he has sold what? MAYBE a million and a half CDs in his entire career with half the tracks not even his own productions...please can anyone say elitist? |
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| Originally posted by Divine9 I disrespect PVD for saying this. Everyone is making his own music and i respect that. If i don't like a certain artist then i just don't listen to him/her. This sort of bashing bu PVD is not needed at all. It will only be negative to his position as a 'good' dj. |
i dont think pvd bashed anyone.
to say that two particular artists who redundantly make superficial music and misrepresent talented artists labelled Trance are cheese, is justified. it is no wonder that pvd doesnt say he is a trance dj or producer. because this word is not represented by a pure thing any more. it represents a lot of music that is out there for a completely different reason lacking the intensity that comes from a well-done, dedicated piece of music that captures a feeling created by the artist. if you are a hard working producer who makes more than superficial music and consider your style of music a form of art, you would not want to be classified as the same as those that make music for other unrelated reasons. to refer to this as cheese is only fair.
just like in the world of other music... there are good rock bands and shitty, commercial ones. the difference is, paul van dyk is a musician in a scene that is known only to those that follow it. that would be me and you. but most people are not. and trance is not well known to most, it is not on the same level as rock. if music is your language and you want to share it with the world, you must distinguish it from that which is not a pure form.
I'm having trouble distinguishing what exactly was said by PvD and was was said by the writer of the article. Anyone got a the mag in front of them that knows how quotes work?
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| Originally posted by brian He does bring up a great point, though, in that trance is quite different than most of van Dahl's and Sammy's work. It's too bad that people consider these to be largely trance artists. |
Re: What PVD has to say about Ian Van Dahl and DJ Sammy in the Oct, 2003 MixMag
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| Originally posted by Karen Simon what it was always meant to be - fucking good dancefloor music that messes with your head. |
yes, pvd has played dj sammy- sunlight (pulser remix).
i was at the roxy gig and i know people id'd the conjure one track but i for one didnt recall him playing it.
any how, get over it. you think you came up with some clever point? not really.
maybe if he played the original mix of sunlight.
i mean a remixed track is not its original. some remixes of bad songs are really good. so pvd played justin timberlake- rock your body (sander k mix). does that mean he likes justin timberlake? NO! it means he liked the remix of a song that was done by sander k.
similary, he liked pulser's remix. though, the pulser remix of sunlight is and okay track, it is STILL on the cheesy side and not a very good track at all. but im okay with pvd playing it here and there. its not like he's pounding it everywhere and its a favorite track of his. its just not that good. but again, in the elctronic music world, the remixer sometimes deserves more if not equal credit in production, sometimes discounting the original artist completely.
If everybody desribes something cheese that he or she doesnt like it wont bring up a point especially if that person is a DJ and plays the tracks(remixed or not) what he describes as cheese in his sets.Do we say he played cheese tracks so his set is cheese ? No.If you liked a track(remixed or not) and play it in your sets dont describe the producers cheese after, this is the point which i dont agree.
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| Originally posted by Scottaculous Heheh PvD bashes IvD yet he use to spin Conjure One - Sleep (IvD Mix)   |
Here's how i see it...PvD is trying to save the PUBLIC name of a genre of music that is still considered UNDERGROUND (in the USA that is...not sure about other countries). But for wat?...Now i dont know whether he really wants to save the name of trance with his brand of productions or is just worried about sales money being lost to Dj sammy and IVD...i dont know whether he is on the offense or defense in this one...But he should be happy with the crowds he draws...a pvd crowd is alot different from a sammy crowd...he should know from every set he lays down how many people know the difference between trance and mainstream club music. Real trance is definately an accuired taste and it mostly starts from the "cheese" stage of listening. Its obvious how many people on this forum dont like Dj Sammy and IVD and its an UNDERSTOOD at any live set of PvD or tiesto and any other dj's that are really respected by real trancers. No reason to go public with it though. He's just bashing the gateway to his own genre of music.
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