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Originally posted by whiskers just out of curiousity, how old are you?

I'm not sure why that's important, but I'm 20.

diginut, when was the last time you had love from a women. I think it needs to be said that i believe there are an equal amount of daft, inempt, ignorant, naive, self-righteous, stupid and uneducated men in the world, and until you have met and gotten to know every single person in the world you can't tell me otherwise. You make valid points but at the same time you leave a bitter taste in every readers tounge suggesting women are less then men and that is that period. Yes, femminists suck, so do people who generalize. I know the gist of what you are trying to say, but it still comes out as women do it to themselves and others. Im with electric soul. You say more women don't vote and those who do maybe don't know as much as they should about voting? Maybe thats because we aren't entirely used to it yet. How many generations have women been as involved in politics as men? None, the world is still predominatly run by men. Don't get me wrong, i am not a femminist. I believe in the more qualified person gets the job and people are responible for thier own ignorance. But the truth is, alot of women are discrimiated, and maybe you would see this more if you were a women. I applied for a job once and i didn't get it because i wasn't a man. They didn't even hesitate to tell me that was the reason, i was more then qualified for the job. Anyways, i would like to see you experience more of the world and meet more people in order for you to have a better understanding of the true state of this situation.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel Yes, femminists suck, so do people who generalize

now THATS ironic :P love yah!


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Husbands should be like kleenex: soft, strong, and disposable. --Madeline Kahn

Being a widow is a matter or life after death- now that he's dead, I have a life. --Madeline Kahn

The day I worry about cleaning my house is the day Sears comes out with a riding vacuum cleaner. --Roseanne

Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself. --Roseanne

Women should always let men have the last words of an argument... "Yes Ma'am."

Sure God created man before woman. But then you always make a rough draft before the final masterpiece.

God creates dinosours. God destroys dinosours. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosours. Dinosours eat man... Woman inhearets the Earth. --Jurrasic Park

Well, this day was a total waste of makeup.

A hard-on doesn't count as personal growth.

Yeah, right! Like I'm going to put that icky thing in my mouth.

I have a computer, a vibrator, & pizza delivery. Why should I leave the house?

The fastest way to a man's heart is to saw through his chest.

You say I'm a bitch like it's a bad thing.

That's Ms. Bitch to you!

Not all men are annoying. Some are dead.

A woman's favorite position is CEO.

Did I mention the kick in the groin you'll be receiving if you touch me?

Women are the future of men.

Women are the only oppressed group in our society that lives in intimate association with their opressors. - Evelyn Cunningham

Men are taught to apoligize for their weaknesses, women for their strengths.

Whatever women do they must do it twice as well as men to be though half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult. - Charlotte Whitton

Im not denyin' that women are foolish: God almighty made 'em to match the men.

Men forget but never forgive. Women forgive but never forget.

Women should be running for office- not coffee.

A man falls in love through his eyes, a woman through her ears.

A good part-and definitely the most fun part-of being a feminist is about frightening men.

Women have been taught that, for us, the earth is flat, and that if we venture out,
we will fall off the edge.

I became a feminist as an alternative to becoming a masochist. --Sally Kempton

But if God had wanted us to think just with our wombs, why did He give us a brain?

I have yet to hear a man ask for advice on how to combine marriage and a career. --Gloria Steinem

If you have a vagina and an attitude in this town, then that's a lethal combination.
--Sharon Stone

If they can send a man to mars, why can't they send them all?

I married beneath me - all women do. -- Lady Nancy Astor

A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle. -- Gloria Steinem

I am not a pretty girl, that is not what I do, I ain't no damsel in distress,
and I don't need to be rescued...
--Ani Difranco

I'm tough, ambitious, and I know exactly what I want. If that makes me a bitch, okay. --Madonna

Menstruation and Menopause... don't you find that all our problems start with men?

Call me when you've got more balls than I do.

Yeah, I may be a Bitch, but look which one of us is sleeping on the floor....

If Fe is the chemical symbol for iron, then Female means 'Iron Male'

What do you call 6 naked men standing on each other's shoulders?
A scrotum pole.

The number of men required to shingle a roof... depends on how thin you slice them.

If a man is talking in the woods and no woman hears him.............. is he still wrong?

What's six inches long and two inches wide and drives women wild? Money.

Men are smarter when they are having sex because they are plugged into a brain.

I am strong, I am invincible, I am woman

If men had periods, menstruation would be a sacrament.

Why did God create men? She knew a vibrator couldn't carry out the trash.

I miss my ex-boyfriend a lot. When I finally ran into him the other day, I backed up and ran into him again for good measure.

I got rid of my husband. The cat was allergic.

We women talk too much, nevertheless we only say half of what we know.
--Lady Nancy Astor

You see a lot of smart guys with dumb women, but you hardly ever see a smart woman with a dumb guy. -Erica Jong-
I want to have children, but my friends scare me. one of my friends told me she was in labor for 36 hours. i don't even want to do anything that feels good for 36 hours. -Rita Rudner-

I've been on so many blind dates, I should get a free dog. -Wendy Liebman-

If high heels were so wonderful, men would still be wearing them. -Sue Grafton-

I'm not going to vacuum 'til Sears makes one you can ride on. -Roseanne Barr-

I think-therefore I'm single. -Liz Winstead-

When women are depressed they either eat or go shopping. Men invade another country. -Elayne Boosler-

Behind every successful man is a surprised woman. -Maryon Pearson-

I base most of my fashion taste on what doesn't itch. -Gilda Radner-

In politics, if you want anything said, ask a man; if you want anything done, ask a woman. -Margaret Thatcher-

Some of us are becoming the men we wanted to marry. -Gloria Steinhem-

I never married because there was no need. I have three pets at home which answer the same purpose as a husband. I have a dog which growls every morning, a parrot which swears all afternoon and a cat that comes home late at night. -Marie Corelli-

Nagging is the repetition of unpalatable truths. -baroness Edith Summerskill-

If men can run the world, why can't they stop wearing neckties? how intelligent is it to start the day by tying a little noose around your neck? -Linda Ellerbee-

I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house. -Zsa Zsa Gabor-

heil und!

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Originally posted by Orbax now THATS ironic :P love yah!

haha, took the words out of my mouth!!!

busted
does feminist attitudes sound better?

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Originally posted by DigiNut Also, the number of women I have personally spoken to who go to the elections with little to no knowledge of who they're voting for (just the ads they saw on TV) absolutely sickens me. [...] such law was probably unfair. However, it was redemied decades ago, so what exactly is your point?

Foolishness is genderless, so they vote uninformed as most people do.

The point is that as historical background, supports lots of discrimination.

Examples?
Man with 5 chicks: hero
Woman with 5 guys: slut

Same job:
Man: $1500
Woman: $1000

Marriage:
Man: should have experience
Woman: should be virgin

Making a move:
Man: should approach a girl. That's his role.
Woman: shouldn't approach a guy. Looks like a bitch or whatever. Should wait patiently.

(BTW, OT: I LOVE when a girl hints on me )

etc, etc, etc.

Male predominance is still floating around. Hasn't finished. Why they're "freeing" themselves as we speak IMO? Because most of women actually think, that reaching marriage virgins is "the right way", even if they don't do it. They think a girl with 5 guys is a slut, etc, etc.

At the core of the occidental morality, women don't have the same freedom as man. And that plays a psychological role. I mean... dear god, take a look at the toys, girls get lil kitchen sets...

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The only problem is, just as in the case of Affirmative Action, certain women with a personal agenda (i.e. not your average lady) continue to cry bondage and discrimination and essentially trivialize men and make us the objects.

Yeah, already told so. is crap, it's just natural that after thousands of year of oppresion (not able to make personal improvement, study, work, to decide, to even talk... argghh), some turned out to be a pain in the ass.
On the other hand... imagine a post from some guy saying something like "women are all sluts, we should tie them and dispose of them at our will", most guys would at least smile while reading that.

That kind of s**t shocks me.
This world is like that, i don't like it. Respect is a must for me.

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I would seriously like to know what you're basing this statement of "slowly freeing themselves" on - it has no factual basis, it's just programmed societal dogma. If you can give one clear and objective example of how women are still not "free", I'd like to hear it.

kinda answered above, tell me if not clear enough.

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And I'd still like to know what "half the world" is to "claim." You're spouting bland platitudes that have no real-life meaning, can you not be any more specific than this?

Well, i don't see a 50/50 percentage in any senate, i'm pretty sure more than 80% of astronauts are male, all important positions on anything are usually taken by men. And I strongly doubt that men are more suited for that positions. I don't think women are more suited either. I just think that logic says that if a country has 100 million ppl, with 50 mil. woman, and 50 mil. man. And there are 500 -dunno the amount of senators @ USA- senators. There should be rougly 50/50 men/women. Just as a state that rougly has 15% of a country population, holds rougly 15% of the senate.

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Men and women got along just fine before feminism came about. That is the very thing which has destroyed so many relationships between the two.

No, men subjugated women, and when all started being questioned some social aspects were changed radically, that's called a crisis. A point of inflection. That's the usual: things go one way, something happens, a messy stage, then stabilizes, then it goes steady again.
I take you don't like changes (ie you're conservative. prove me wrong)

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Psychological violence? What kind of talk is that?

Yes, grab a book about psychology or two. They don't bite. Violence starts in your head.

To make you punch me, I can either punch you, or just start talking s**t about you for hours and wait for you to blow up. Of course, there are more subtle ways, and some are even socially accepted. The result is the same: violence. Women were taught for centuries to bear with it, making them submisive.

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No, they're not. Once again, prove it.

Men have more cans that cants.
Women have more cants that cans.

hmm maybe should/shouldnt instead of can/cants. but you get the idea.

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PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL. Inequality between two things does NOT imply the "betterness" of one, it simply implies difference.

I never talked about betterness.
I think diversity is the way to go, so totally agree here. Don't see how's related to what either me or you have said before.

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How can people be so unwilling to question their beliefs, so fixed in what they've been taught by such dubious authorities? Doesn't it ever occur to people that they might have overlooked something?

That's exactly how I feel about you.

PS: about the communism references... don't see the relation with this, i'm talking about morals, not slicing a bread for 2 ppl.
PS2: i got kinda lost on the quotes, double quotes, etc. might not make sense lol

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel busted does feminist attitudes sound better?

hehe I was just thinking of a joke I told to a feminist who was pissing me off.

I was really drunk so ill just give the gist of it:

How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? then I said sometihng like 5, 1 to stand there and screw in the bulb while I grab her boobs and nail her from behind, and 4 more feminists for me to have domination sex with as I slap them....it was funnier at the time, and I cant remember what I said. She screamed at me though. Bitch...

sorry digi, im still with electric soul on this one... he's taking the words right out of my mouth (without contridicting himself )

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Originally posted by electric_soul Foolishness is genderless, so they vote uninformed as most people do. Examples? Man with 5 chicks: hero Woman with 5 guys: slut Same job: Man: $1500 Woman: $1000 Marriage: Man: should have experience Woman: should be virgin Making a move: Man: should approach a girl. That's his role. Woman: shouldn't approach a guy. Looks like a bitch or whatever. Should wait patiently. (BTW, OT: I LOVE when a girl hints on me ) etc, etc, etc.

true!

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Originally posted by Orbax hehe I was just thinking of a joke I told to a feminist who was pissing me off. I was really drunk so ill just give the gist of it: How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? then I said sometihng like 5, 1 to stand there and screw in the bulb while I grab her boobs and nail her from behind, and 4 more feminists for me to have domination sex with as I slap them....it was funnier at the time, and I cant remember what I said. She screamed at me though. Bitch...

man, i guess she can't take a good joke...
maybe i missed the punchline!

Here is a bit of mumbo jumbo i grabbed from a multi-culturalism class that means absolutely nothing, yet people adhere to it fanatically:

We are looking for people to treat us equally, not the same!

Discuss.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel man, i guess she can't take a good joke... maybe i missed the punchline!

ha no, it was me just thinking of the most inflaming derogatory stuff I could. It didnt make sense, was a lot cruder than what I actually said, and it was obvious the only reason I was doing it was to tickle her feminist spirit hehe.

Im usually a sweetums though!

no

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Originally posted by Orbax ha no, it was me just thinking of the most inflaming derogatory stuff I could. It didnt make sense, was a lot cruder than what I actually said, and it was obvious the only reason I was doing it was to tickle her feminist spirit hehe. Im usually a sweetums though!

i can only imagine! oh come here you big soft teddy-bear!

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel no

i have to admit i stared at that for about 20 seconds waiting for the rest of it to appear.

hahahahahaah n00b.
ok, let's stop hi-hi jacking the thread, i want more intelection discusion.

PS. my favorite colour is green. and i love pirates.


DON'T DISCUSS

me and ws

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Originally posted by Orbax Electric Soul, you mind if I quote ye in my book? Also, to be blunt, women arent as good as men. Am I wrong?

first question:
a) if it's not a phrase out of context.
b) if the overall content is not against my beliefs
c) if i can check the final result before publishing, and i'm ok with it :P
d) if i can put my picture on it and i'm given full credits including a fancy introduction

second question:
i think you already know what i think about it if not, my answer is: yes, you're wrong.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel hahahahahaah n00b. ok, let's stop hi-hi jacking the thread, i want more intelection discusion. PS. my favorite colour is green. and i love pirates. DON'T DISCUSS

fair enough.
DigiNut, you win by forfeit.

Classic Question:

Besides making babies what are they better than men @? (Cooking doesnt count, Iron Chef has no women!)

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel ... suggesting women are less then men and that is that period.

I ask, have asked, and will continue to ask where I've stated this. How can one logically interpret "women and men are not equal" to "women are less than men?" That's the brainwashing I'm talking about - this utter nonsense people buy into that suggests that if two things aren't exactly the same, then one has to be better than the other.

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Anyways, i would like to see you experience more of the world and meet more people in order for you to have a better understanding of the true state of this situation.

That's all well and good, but you seem to be making assumptions about who I've met. To be perfectly blunt, I've met more characters in this world than I ever wanted to meet, and that's largely responsible for why I am who I am and why I say what I say.

I have never for one moment tried to degrade women in any of my posts, save for saying that certain women I've met have displayed ineptitude in things they claim they should have the right to be doing. To say they haven't been doing it for as long makes no sense - the women my age (even twice my age) have been voting for as long as or longer than I have. How can you correlate the "inexperience" of women at large to a single woman's inexperience? Are you saying that women have some sort of collective consciousness? If we are to accept the claim that women are truly equal to men in this regard, then they should be just as well-equipped to make informed voting decisions as their male counterparts, and yet for some reason, a lot of them don't.

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Yes, femminists suck

In actual fact, I didn't say that. I said that feminism, at its origins, had an intrinsic will to cause chaos. Before you interpret this as women-bashing, I urge you to look at some of the links I posted like the SCUM paper, and do your own research, before condemning the things I say. Type in "gloria steinem katharine graham" into google and take a look at some of the results you get.

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so do people who generalize.

Which I'm not doing. I'm commenting as feminism as a doctrine, which is quite well-documented in terms of its philosophy and its history. This has little if anything to do with the average women, except to the extent that they've been brought up in a society with very twisted morals. As have men - and I believe that the average man today is also naive, desperate, pathetic. I don't favour one gender over the other, I think both are pretty fucked up these days, but I strongly believe in what I've stated to be the root cause of it, and I have no choice but to reject any counter-arguments that are devoid of logic and full of meaningless platitudes and sound bites.

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None, the world is still predominatly run by men.

Does the fact that men are in power logically preclude the possibility of women being in such a position?

Have you considered the possibility that you're committing the joint effect fallacy, also known as "Ignoring a common cause?"

And no, I haven't specified what that cause is. So don't make assumptions. I'm simply stating that it's wrong to assume that women are opressed simply because they aren't in power.

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But the truth is, alot of women are discrimiated, and maybe you would see this more if you were a women. I applied for a job once and i didn't get it because i wasn't a man. They didn't even hesitate to tell me that was the reason, i was more then qualified for the job.

They actually told you that they wouldn't give you the job because you were a woman?

I find that odd. But to offer a possible explanation that you may not have thought of, I will tell you about a case I learned about in a law class. The Big Brothers Association (I believe it was them) was on a round of hiring, and they had an obviously gay [effeminate] man apply for the job. They knew that making a judgment based on that would be discrimination, but they also knew that there could have been a public outcry over hiring him. So what did they do? They told him up-front, we can't hire you because you're gay, and if you have a problem with that, take it to court (*HINT HINT*). In essence, the plan was to have the courts make the decision based on legal principles, and indeed, I believe the case was taken to court and won and he was hired. They wanted to hire him, but were worried about public opinion, so the whole situation was reduced to a formality wherein they could hire him without gathering any negative publicity.

Now, I know this probably doesn't apply directly to your situation, but again, it's very surprising that they would tell you such a thing outright, do you think it's possible that they were hinting at something else?

But anyway, maybe I'm way off base and they were simply being a bunch of jerks. In which case, that is truly sad and I feel bad that you had to experience that. However, I see an equal number of cases of reverse discrimination where women are hired over better-qualified men because they simply haven't met their quota of women (or blacks, hispanics, Asians, what have you). I find that equally sad. Reverse discrimination, cleverly disguised as "equal" rights, is no better than a cheap perfume, attempting to hide the underlying problem (discriminatory hiring practices) without getting rid of it.

Anyway, I've gone off-topic, but hope that cleared a few things up. Again, please don't interpret passion for a cause as bitterness. I'm simply trying to dispel certain myths here. I'm not out to prove the superiority of any gender or race, and I have to say that anyone who seriously believes I am must not really be listening to me.

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fair enough. DigiNut, you win by forfeit.

OH NO! i ment don't discuss my ireleveant tidbit about green and pirate.. please continue!

ok digi- im throwing in the towel because you have alot more fact then i do, im mostly throwing out my opinions which is obvious and can't really be debated. So basically i just feel that when it comes to men and women, they should be treated based on qualification and potential. Alot of countries in the world forbid women to develop potential or give their qualification a chance. I have a friend from Baghdad who would love to tell you the same thing. I just want to be clear that i don't think it is fair to give handouts or sympathy because of the past, but instead, if a woman or a man has the potential to do something then they should both have the same opportunity to develop that and apply it. I love men and i love women. The End.

me and orbax going to visit santa

orbax and i are sleeping together.

I think I just got some

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