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Originally posted by arturob heh. *shocked* this is crazy! :P

More like insulting. As far as I know he didn't play a single Vandit track, so I can't think of this as anything but a slap in the face of Paul.

What a punkass.

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Originally posted by Dom ...why is everyone so bothered all of a sudden?

If you watch carefully it is actually the same small group of people who have always dedicated their lives to bash the best DJs out there. And the fact that Tiesto was named # 1 for the second time in a row was the pinnacle of frustration for this kind of people. So looking for any random moment to bash Tiesto somehow makes them feel better/cooler/superior when the fact is that they will never even get close to what Tiesto has accomplished.

lol
so i cant judge movies since i am not an actor?

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Originally posted by The Master If you watch carefully it is actually the same small group of people who have always dedicated their lives to bash the best DJs out there. And the fact that Tiesto was named # 1 for the second time in a row was the pinnacle of frustration for this kind of people. So looking for any random moment to bash Tiesto somehow makes them feel better/cooler/superior when the fact is that they will never even get close to what Tiesto has accomplished.

i'll admit i'm not a tiesto fan by no stretch of the imagination. but the guy has obviously listened to this set and heard tiestos mixing and by the sounds of things it has been shite.

I find it really annoying that i have seen or heard dj's live that are so much more better at actually dj'ing than tiesto but he has the tag of best in the world, when really he is just the most popular. so don't start all this shite about how everyone knocks tiesto.

In my view they should rename the poll, most popular dj, so people who don't listen to trance, techno or whatever are not mislead into thinking tiesto is playing with dex efx and samplers while still managing to average a mix of one tune every two minutes.

He's not a good technical dj.

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Originally posted by Toufas lol so i cant judge movies since i am not an actor?

In this case the ones bashing are the actors themselves. The people who constantly bash great DJs like Tiesto are normally frustrated DJs/Producers who spend their free time making this kind of threads that will obviously end in some kind of flame war. You can easily identify these obssesed individuals, for example they take the time to make a sig bashing Tiesto, etc.

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Originally posted by UWM Oh good, it's you. You might want to wipe your face, there's still some poo hanging from the side of your mouth.

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Originally posted by The Master In this case the ones bashing are the actors themselves. The people who constantly bash great DJs like Tiesto are normally frustrated DJs/Producers who spend their free time making this kind of threads that will obviously end in some kind of flame war. You can easily identify these obssesed individuals, for example they take the time to make a sig bashing Tiesto, etc.

Oh give me a break. You actually believe that? This is just honest criticism, not some sneaky plot of targeting someone to vent inner frustrations. Yes, we're all against Tiesto because we're cursing to ourselves in front of our decks and loop programs, thinking nothing but "damn that Tiesto and his popularity!" How ridiculous.

I think Tiesto is an amazing producer, but he definitely does not deserve the title of #1 DJ in the world, and absolutely doesn't deserve it this year as well. I think he's a very good DJ who played well in 2002 -- some of his sets, particularly from that year, are favorites of mine -- but now this is just getting out of control and detached from the reality of his ability.

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Originally posted by The Master If you watch carefully it is actually the same small group of people who have always dedicated their lives to bash the best DJs out there. And the fact that Tiesto was named # 1 for the second time in a row was the pinnacle of frustration for this kind of people. So looking for any random moment to bash Tiesto somehow makes them feel better/cooler/superior when the fact is that they will never even get close to what Tiesto has accomplished.

Oh, it's you. I better listen to what you of all people have to say. Wait, here, let me get you a tissue, there's some bullshit dripping from your chin.

Anyways, I suppose I should rescind my arguments based on this set, which is why I posted the thread. I was not there to witness techincal problems, etc .. leading to monumental trainwrecks.

However - I am not one in a small group who likes to "bash big DJs to feel cool." I am simply stating what the vast majority of the EDM world has come to realize, and the ones who haven't are those like you who are blinded by the light (or in Tijs case, $$ signs).

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Originally posted by UWM I am merely pointing out what the VAST majority of the EDM community has noticed, and the few that haven't are the ones who are blinded by the light (or, the money).

The VAST majority of the EDM community does not constitute a few dozen people on TA and trance.nu. The plural majority of the EDM community elected Tiesto as the #1 dj. Renowned djs and producers such as Danny Howells and John Digweed have recognized that in published interviews where they have stated that Tiesto deserves the award because he's the best at what he does, he works really hard to have a huge global presence/influence on the global scene and the people love him for it.

Don't tell me that most people that vote in the poll are clueless newbies because you have no way to prove that. The evidence is there. Only true artists have ever gotten the award while the blatantly commercial bunch such as Sammy, Pearce, Ian van Dahl, Darude etc. hardly make a presence on that list. Tiesto joins the hall of fame along with Sasha, Digweed, Carl Cox, Oakey, Tall Paul etc. in being one of the leading voices in electronic dance music of our times. That's all there is to it.

Maybe I just look at DJing too technically these days and should just accept the fact that its turning into who is the biggest pop star.

*SIGH*

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Originally posted by Cobalt Oh give me a break. You actually believe that? This is just honest criticism, not some sneaky plot of targeting someone to vent inner frustrations. Yes, we're all against Tiesto because we're cursing to ourselves in front of our decks and loop programs, thinking nothing but "damn that Tiesto and his popularity!" How ridiculous. I think Tiesto is an amazing producer, but he definitely does not deserve the title of #1 DJ in the world, and absolutely doesn't deserve it this year as well. I think he's a very good DJ who played well in 2002 -- some of his sets, particularly from that year, are favorites of mine -- but now this is just getting out of control and detached from the reality of his ability.

No, you're wrong. There's no way in hell you could empiricize everyone's ability in a mere list. He deserves it because of his presence and his impact on the global edm community, not on your pseudo-objective technical considerations that would only be relevant if the Top 50 was mostly populated by scratch and dnb djs who really have to show off on the technical skill level, not on the subjective realm of art.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance Don't tell me that most people that vote in the poll are clueless newbies because you have no way to prove that. The evidence is there. Only true artists have ever gotten the award while the blatantly commercial bunch such as Sammy, Pearce, Ian van Dahl, Darude etc. hardly make a presence on that list. Tiesto joins the hall of fame along with Sasha, Digweed, Carl Cox, Oakey, Tall Paul etc. in being one of the leading voices in electronic dance music of our times. That's all there is to it.

you make a valid poit, but what i think you must relise is that he is no way near as good, technically, as the dj's you've just listed, or for that matter about 70 dj's who finished below him in the top 100.

The fact is that he is top because he is playing the tunes most people want and thats really all there is to it. hes not the best fj in the world, hes the most popular. something this poll fails to distinguish between.

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Originally posted by chesco you make a valid poit, but what i think you must relise is that he is no way near as good, technically, as the dj's you've just listed, or for that matter about 70 dj's who finished below him in the top 100. The fact is that he is top because he is playing the tunes most people want and thats really all there is to it. hes not the best fj in the world, hes the most popular. something this poll fails to distinguish between.

The list doesn't say anything about technical skills. I think that's pretty clear. But I believe Tiesto as a dj is the supreme artist for my taste and appreciation, and so do a lot of people that voted for him. If the poll specified technique, beatmatching, scratching, tricks, double-dropping I would have voted for someone else

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Originally posted by UWM Maybe I just look at DJing too technically these days and should just accept the fact that its turning into who is the biggest pop star.

I don't know you, but I bet you study/work in something related to science or math right?

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Originally posted by chesco The fact is that he is top because he is playing the tunes most people want and thats really all there is to it.

I think this is a, wrong and b, makes little sense. Every DJ will play songs that they think the crowd would want to hear. That doesn't mean that you'll constantly play only those tracks that are tried and tested again and again. This won't work either as the people will get tired of it pretty quickly. Seen Tijs 3 times this year. Always fresh, different, special and fun.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance No, you're wrong. There's no way in hell you could empiricize everyone's ability in a mere list. He deserves it because of his presence and his impact on the global edm community, not on your pseudo-objective technical considerations that would only be relevant if the Top 50 was mostly populated by scratch and dnb djs who really have to show off on the technical skill level, not on the subjective realm of art.

Uh, last I checked beatmatching isn't a "pseudo-objective technical consideration."

And he does not deserve it because of "his presence" alone. There are certain minimum technical skills that are necessary for a DJ to qualify for the status he now holds.

And I invite you to point to a single item of worth in the "subjective realm of art" that distinguished Tiesto's sets in 2003.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance The list doesn't say anything about technical skills. I think that's pretty clear. But I believe Tiesto as a dj is the supreme artist for my taste and appreciation, and so do a lot of people that voted for him. If the poll specified technique, beatmatching, scratching, tricks, double-dropping I would have voted for someone else

and this is Exactly the point i'm trying to make.

This poll for people who don't follow it makes tiesto out to be the best in the world. so when someone says to me "that tiesto the best in the business isn't he" of course it's annoying cos there are so many dj's who do not get the recognition they deserve while tiesto is picking up accolades cos so many are blinded by their ignorance of the scene

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Originally posted by Cobalt And I invite you to point to a single item of worth in the "subjective realm of art" that distinguished Tiesto's sets in 2003.

yes, even i can trainwreck

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Originally posted by YaleTrance I don't know you, but I bet you study/work in something related to science or math right?

You're not going to pull the spooky-mystical-magical "Tiesto has special artistic qualities" card. If you do, indicate the ample hand-waving involved in such an explanation.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance The list doesn't say anything about technical skills. I think that's pretty clear. But I believe Tiesto as a dj is the supreme artist for my taste and appreciation, and so do a lot of people that voted for him. If the poll specified technique, beatmatching, scratching, tricks, double-dropping I would have voted for someone else

Then why are you arguing? The whole point of this thread was to point out that technically his Gatecrasher set was complete ass.

I was at the NEC and eventhough there were a few "incidents" in PVD's set, I must say he was the best dj of the night! he totally blew me away...

tiesto on the other hand... well he was my favorite dj until july, then my second favorite until last night. I must say, I lost all respect for tiesto when he stopped traffic, started yelling at one of the technical guys, the guy brought him a new needle for the TT, and tiesto went right ahead and broke the arm off the TT. threw it behind him, pulled the TT, was getting ready to throw that too when the technical guy ran up and grabbed it... threw the little orange pillow the TT was on as well...

he didn't bother to beatmatch, he just decided "whoopa time for a new track" and just started it and turned off the previous track. He had NO interaction with the crowd, played a bunch of shitty tunes, and in my honest opinion didn't even put a DROP of effort into making this a good set. He didn't even bother to wave goodbye after he finished.

I think all the money has gone to tiesto's head and I know many many people who were there last night agree with me... after tiesto's tantrum the energy inside the crasher arena very quickly faded and the only reason I danced at any part of tiesto's set was because armin showed up and that meant it was almost time for him...

Tiesto was on my flight back to holland as well, looking grouchy as he always seems to be lately, and I really had to hold myself in not to go up to him and tell him to get his feet back on the ground and maybe deflate his head...

all in all, i hope for his sake that tiesto takes a month or 2 or maybe even 6 off so that he can go back to being a good dj... because right now I think i'd rather see DJ Sammy than his effortless sets that he doesn't seem to be enjoying anyways

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Originally posted by TranceGiant I think this is a, wrong and b, makes little sense. Every DJ will play songs that they think the crowd would want to hear. That doesn't mean that you'll constantly play only those tracks that are tried and tested again and again. This won't work either as the people will get tired of it pretty quickly. Seen Tijs 3 times this year. Always fresh, different, special and fun.

wtf is that meant to mean.

To me the tunes that people want to hear are the freshest ones.

so explain to me your train of thought cos i'm puzzled as to how my statement makes little sense.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance I don't know you, but I bet you study/work in something related to science or math right?

Well, I'm a double major in biochem / molecular biology but that's besides the point.

My personal tastes I suppose have just developed from where they were, say, back in 2000. Back then, Tiesto could create an atmosphere for me like no other DJ. His energy behind the decks, the uplifting energetic pace of his sets, etc ... kept me fascinated. I would have voted him the #1 DJ in the world back then.

But not now. Now I find much more appreciation in the structure and build of a melodic progressive house set. Or for that matter, a wide ranging house set - as long as it has the "flow" that I love a DJ to create. The last show I saw Tiesto at I was entertained, but it just goes all over the place. His "radical mixing" as you call it has turned me off to what he does. I love watching Danny Howells behind the decks, as charismatic as any I've ever seen, mix a wide range blending from chill to breaks, funk house to techno - but for me, he does it with a flavor and technique that Tiesto just doesn't have.

This is, after all, just my opinion.

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Originally posted by UWM ...Wait, here, let me get you a tissue, there's some bullshit dripping from your chin....

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Originally posted by UWM Oh good, it's you. You might want to wipe your face, there's still some poo hanging from the side of your mouth.

In the whole thread you didn't insult anyone until now, does acting like a 14 year old is your way feel superior when you're under pressure?

You said you're not part of the small group of people who bash Tiesto, however you start a thread titled "#1 DJ This is Pathetic." and then assure you're only judging his NEC set. You know what is pathetic? To take the time to make an animated signature showing your hate towards Tiesto, and still state you're not part of that small group. I mean that's not normal, it is clearly an obsession that you can find only in a small group of people here in TA.

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