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Trance has seen a resurgance in 2003, tho in the last 3 months or so decent productions imo have hit a bit of a stand still. But this might mean we guna see a new flood of tunes in the new year

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Those look more like opinions to me.

well they're my facts .... making them my opinions... you win.. happy? too burnt up from the last flame warsto start more flame wars; rofl

You gotta look DEEP underground my friend. its all there but you have to go looking

Re: Trance dead in the water

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Originally posted by Cobalt Face it: the genre is simply drifting with no real artistic innovation. It's the same cookie-cutter sound rampantly dominating production. Nothing distinctive. I've been digging into pre-98 production because there isn't enough good new work to keep my addiction satisfied, er, I mean, as much good work as there used to be. To my surprise, I've found many older productions exceeding today's. This is not doom and gloom; trance has been declining since 2001, and people who say it isn't are lying to themselves or ignoring what trance used to be. I remember people prophesizing that Gabriel & Dresden would be the saviours, but the actual results have been marginal, particularly with the plethora of radio remixes. I've heard nothing of particular note, with rare exception, in the last six months. Six months! Can't someone do a Matt Darey, work his or her ass off and help the genre back on its feet? Oh, who am I kidding. This is part of a cycle, irreversible by talent. Inevitably there will be upswing, but no time soon, I think. PvD has gone downhill. The "second coming" of Matt Darey fizzled. BT has moved away into other artistic directions. Ferry's new sound isn't catching (even though I think it has promise). Lange and Armin are recycling. Tiesto is in a production hibernation (though his return may change things). Sasha almost never produces. ASOT is a wasteland. Do I feel alone? Am I just jaded? If not, what to do now? What promising artists do you think are out there in this desert?

Hmmm..thats an interesting posting you've made. But i'm curious, could you name a couple of older tracks that you find, as you say, eexceeding today's? And then you name a couple of tracks that are played on asot and most of tranceaddict finds its really great, but which you think that they're not as great tracks as everybody thinks it to be?

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Originally posted by SuperFarStucker Sasha, Holden, Gabriel and Dresden, Junkie XL, Infusion, Hybrid etc... these people ARENT LIMITING THEMSELVES TO THE SAME DAMN THING OVER AND OVER. There is inevitably commonalities (For example, G&D tend to make vocal tracks, if you doubt their vocal less production capabilities take a listen to grayarea - one for the road (G&D interstate 5 mix)) in their productions but they are overall eclectic, amd interesting note: flame away...

g + d = commercialised dance music..

sasha = cowpander.. STILL?

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Originally posted by we love sundays g + d = commercialised dance music.. sasha = cowpander.. STILL?

What's your obsession with commercialism? Who cares. Stravinsky used to sign his name with a $($travinsky) and used to sign napkins and sell them to fans. Dalí 'commercialized' his skills just as much. Did that make their art any less valuable?

If there's something that art history has proven is that 'commercial' and 'quality' are not exclusive to each other.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance What's your obsession with commercialism? Who cares. Stravinsky used to sign his name with a $($travinsky) and used to sign napkins and sell them to fans. Dalí 'commercialized' his skills just as much. Did that make their art any less valuable? If there's something that art history has proven is that 'commercial' and 'quality' are not exclusive to each other.

well then in that case...
LETS ALL LISTEN TO CHINGY

best music ever made
RIGHT THURRR IN MY HURRR

just have faith in m.i.k.e. with his upcoming push and plastic boys

albums. don't leave out l-vee and the rest of the banshee worxx

label for that matter.

-reZ

forgot to mention leama and moor and joof.

-reZ

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Originally posted by we love sundays well then in that case... LETS ALL LISTEN TO CHINGY best music ever made RIGHT THURRR IN MY HURRR

wow, are you dense or what? i didn't say that everything that's commercial is quality. i said that just because it's commercial doesn't mean it can't be quality. and just because it's not commercial doesn't mean it's quality. that is basic logical reasoning.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance wow, are you dense or what? i didn't say that everything that's commercial is quality. i said that just because it's commercial doesn't mean it can't be quality. and just because it's not commercial doesn't mean it's quality. that is basic logical reasoning.

give up man, ive been much too frustrated about the same faulty reasoning.. people just don't get it.

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Originally posted by Cobalt progressive trance has been quite dead since 2000.

i think you just keep convincing yourself that music was better in the past. for me "trance was better in 99" or "progressive house/trance is dead since 2000" just doesn't work. like i said, a very small percentage of music in general at any time is outstanding. i don't think it was the case that trance was amazing in 1999 and sucks now. i think a small percentage of music back then was amazing, and a small percentage of it today is too. if you expect to like most of any genre, than you need to drop your musical taste and listen to trite.

opinions.

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Originally posted by umes23 give up man, ive been much too frustrated about the same faulty reasoning.. people just don't get it.

...a lot of people lack to see the deeper beauty of trance...and they dont know what commercialism really is.

sad, aint it?

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Originally posted by we love sundays opinions.

Spam.

Re: Re: Trance dead in the water

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Originally posted by Jimmy Hmmm..thats an interesting posting you've made. But i'm curious, could you name a couple of older tracks that you find, as you say, eexceeding today's? And then you name a couple of tracks that are played on asot and most of tranceaddict finds its really great, but which you think that they're not as great tracks as everybody thinks it to be?

maybe if u look at this years rehashs/rereleases of 99 tunes maybe u can see where all the complaining comes from

A good point has been brought up; trance in the 90's was more simplistic than now and that is true for the most part. But for example: Sasha & Digweed's "northern exposure" in 96 has better quality & more complex tracks than some tracks I've heard recently. In my opinion it really depends what you listen to.


It doesnt help that when you buy a so called "trance" cd, you get 2 or 3 trance songs and the rest are cheesy dance songs! example: just recently picked up "liquid trance" most of those songs I dont consider trance at all yet the record company labaled it a Trance Cd.

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Originally posted by tc-fan dont make me post some wicked tracks that are bettter than 99 stuff..cuase 2003 has been the year of trance....

its been the year of breaks and prog

Hmmmmmmm trance dead?????Then i must be stupid to think that 2003 was one of the best years.Or i am not .In short words,Agnelli & Nelson,Matt Darey,PvD,Armin Van Buuren,Gabriel & Dresden,Delerium,Svenson & Gielen,Ferry Corsten,Rank 1,Scott Bond vs Solar Stone,Vincent De Moor,Dumonde,Marc Et Claude,DJ Precision pres. M.I.D.O.R. & Six4Eight,3 Drives,Iio......all the above dj's have produced some outstanding tunes (i'm bored so i won't name them ).Yes some dj's haven't appeared this year (like for example Green Court,Nalin & Kane) or some others haven't produced so many tunes like the previous years (Voodoo & Serano for example as last year they did remix a lot of tunes) but surely this year was fantastic......after all my best tune was released early this year

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Originally posted by john2 Hmmmmmmm trance dead?

Just to clarify, because others have made this mistake too, I didn't say trance was "dead." I said it was "dead in the water," meaning adrift and without creative direction. I never went so far as to say it has sunk, which it clearly has not.

Trance has evolved, transformed, or at least, combined with other genres is probably a better explanation than "trance is dead."

I thought this past year has been the revival of melodies, whether in breaks, techno, and progressive house. Artists like Momu, Agoria, Chable, and Dekay have been putting out great melodic tracks.
Like some of you have said, instead of trying to find those innovative and original trance sounds, try experimenting with different sounds/genres. The result will often surprise you.

of course as i've probably made clear on these boards i love the golden era stuff...i think that there are a couple of problems in trance right now...

1. too many ametuers (no offense to any of you guys on the boards) are making tracks that aren't really that great and getting them signed because they know they will get signed for making them.

2. too much of a focus on big synth...super uplifting (ala armin although he has been getting a little better) type stuff that takes away from what i think should be the primary focus...a solid rhythm...thats what a lot of tracks lack today...

3. too many remakes of classic tracks. trying to make newer versions of the past, instead of making new classics is a bad idea...true, it is good to hear an updated version of a track, but its got a little out of control this past year and i think that it is a great example of how uncreative producers have become...they cannot come up with new future classic material so they try to reinvent a tune of the past...

4. i don't think tracks stir up the same kind of emotions that older tracks had. i think a large part of this is, as mentioned above, the lack of producers ability to put emotion into tracks...and not just uplifting emotion (if anything that is over done now)...put to give you goose bumps when you here a tune....that should be the goal.

i know that some of you will understand what i'm saying...some of you might not be able to admit it, but its true.

I think that alot of you dont understand how marketing works. With anything thats good in the begining, being it music, movie's, underground, what so ever. As long as it has a mass appeal for a broader audience, it will be so.

What I mean is that, people see a formula. They think that this formula is doing so well, and they want to get as much as they can from it while it last.

For example, If you take a look at movies. Some of the most respected films were done over 60 years ago. Those which they call the "classics". Casablanca from the early 1940's, and even earlier.. Tons of classics back then. Now there isnt much that you can say that are "classics" in the more recent years. Maybe some here and there, but not the quality that were comming out back then. Alot of people are in it for the marketeting now, same goes with hip hop. Those who got into hip hop in the early 80's did it for fun. Now its more for marketing. Understand?

Dance music is no different. Its a marketing tool. The formula eventually gets abused and like this thread, people start to notice.. In Floorfillers #1, Its why a&r's and ect are always looking for new artist, to mix things up. Everyones an "amatuer" really until they get an oppertunity to showcase there talent, so thats what I feel about that. You cant really stop something from changing to which you do not have 100% control of.

Things will never be like they were before, you have your classics, your good times, but leave it at that. Move foward instead of always going back.

JaY

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Originally posted by JayD I think that alot of you dont understand how marketing works. With anything thats good in the begining, being it music, movie's, underground, what so ever. As long as it has a mass appeal for a broader audience, it will be so. What I mean is that, people see a formula. They think that this formula is doing so well, and they want to get as much as they can from it while it last. For example, If you take a look at movies. Some of the most respected films were done over 60 years ago. Those which they call the "classics". Casablanca from the early 1940's, and even earlier.. Tons of classics back then. Now there isnt much that you can say that are "classics" in the more recent years. Maybe some here and there, but not the quality that were comming out back then. Alot of people are in it for the marketeting now, same goes with hip hop. Those who got into hip hop in the early 80's did it for fun. Now its more for marketing. Understand? Dance music is no different. Its a marketing tool. The formula eventually gets abused and like this thread, people start to notice.. In Floorfillers #1, Its why a&r's and ect are always looking for new artist, to mix things up. Everyones an "amatuer" really until they get an oppertunity to showcase there talent, so thats what I feel about that. You cant really stop something from changing to which you do not have 100% control of. Things will never be like they were before, you have your classics, your good times, but leave it at that. Move foward instead of always going back. JaY

Well said!

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec maybe if u look at this years rehashs/rereleases of 99 tunes maybe u can see where all the complaining comes from

well, to be quite frankly i'm not that into trance as the most of you are, a relative newbie when it comes to trance , i don t know much of the stuff released in the old days.

so if you could name a few tracks like i earlier posted, i can better understand what you are all critical about

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