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Posted by raveanddie on Jul-20-2004 08:37:

Hi guys,

I have zero knoweledge in music theory. What is the best way to start labelling my mp3s which the keys?

heard mixmesiter is not very accurate. I do not own a music keyboard. What software altertenative music keyboard can i download?

What kind of music keyboard is it anyway? .. or is it an organ or a piano?

please help.


Posted by DjSimonB on Jul-20-2004 17:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
Jacob and Mendez - Deception original mix goes in Dm. The Benico remix goes in Bm.

At 3.5% it would mean it's edging towards D#m/Ebm. Can't remember what key Alesis goes in, but it is entirely possible that they actually go in compatible keys.

Cheers
Nem


Yeah I got that now... not really bothered about what key the Benicio mix is in, i never play it anyway

Alesis is a hard tune to key, but when I mix it it usualy goes well, one of these tunes (partly because the build up really only uses one note, so there's less of a margin of error)


Posted by harcourt on Jul-20-2004 18:30:

Could someone tell me the difference between these notes

A
A#
Am
A#m
Abm
etc ...

Yes I've read through this, and a couple links, just looking for a quick notation guide.

thnx.


Posted by physe on Jul-20-2004 19:48:

quote:
Originally posted by tw1tch
Could someone tell me the difference between these notes

A
A#
Am
A#m
Abm
etc ...

Yes I've read through this, and a couple links, just looking for a quick notation guide.

thnx.


Tones follow a general order:

A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G# -> A A#...

Basically a sharp (#) means that it is one tone higher and a flat (b) means one tone lower. So a Ab is the same as a G# and so on. Also generally you don't use the terms like B# because it is just a C.

Major and minor: Each of the above tones can be major, minor or other things. Basically they are chords which have the base note of one of the tones, but have different variations in them. For example an 'A sharp major' would be A# and an 'A sharp minor' would be A#m and so on.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: now that I go back and read your original post again, this probably doesn't help, but I'll leave it up just in case. At least I gave it a shot. =)


Posted by DjSimonB on Jul-21-2004 15:36:

quote:
Originally posted by physe
Tones follow a general order:

A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G# -> A A#...

Basically a sharp (#) means that it is one tone higher and a flat (b) means one tone lower. So a Ab is the same as a G# and so on. Also generally you don't use the terms like B# because it is just a C.

Major and minor: Each of the above tones can be major, minor or other things. Basically they are chords which have the base note of one of the tones, but have different variations in them. For example an 'A sharp major' would be A# and an 'A sharp minor' would be A#m and so on.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: now that I go back and read your original post again, this probably doesn't help, but I'll leave it up just in case. At least I gave it a shot. =)


A sharp and a flat are respectively a SEMITONE higher and lower than the note, not a tone. Just making sure the music theory terms are correct The way you decide whether to call it, say, G# or Ab, depends on the key the tune is in, and if you sharpen or flatten notes in that key.


Posted by physe on Jul-21-2004 19:35:

quote:
Originally posted by DjSimonB
A sharp and a flat are respectively a SEMITONE higher and lower than the note, not a tone. Just making sure the music theory terms are correct The way you decide whether to call it, say, G# or Ab, depends on the key the tune is in, and if you sharpen or flatten notes in that key.


I always wondered why both sharps and flats exist. Thanks.


Posted by reyo on Jul-22-2004 13:23:

If you have a Model 5342A Service converter you will find that it employs a filter to select only one harmonic of the internal oscillator to mix with the unknown whereas the transfer oscillator mixes the unknown simultaneously with all harmonics of the internal frequency. In the harmonic heterodyne technique , all of the harmonics of an internal oscillator (a programmable frequency synthesizer locked to the counter�s time base) are simultaneously mixed with the unknown signal by the sampler and sampler driver (samplers are like harmonic mixers except that the conduction angle is much narrower � the sampling diodes in the HP5342A sampler, for example, conduct for only a few picosecond during each period of the sampling signal) .The output of the sampler consists of sum and difference frequencies produced by each harmonic of the internal oscillator mixing with the unknown. The programmable frequency synthesizer is incremented in frequency until one of the outputs of the sampler is in the counting range of the low frequency counter. The IF detector detects when the IF is in the range of the low frequency counter and sends a signal which causes the synthesizer control to stop incrementing the frequency of the frequency synthesizer. The IF is then counted by the low frequency counter. The unknown frequency can be determined from the relation: fx = N�f1 � flF1 where fx = N = f1 = f I F 1 = unknown frequency harmonic of frequency synthesizer which mixed with unknown to produce countable IF programmed frequency of synthesizer IF produced by N�f1 mixing with fx 8-88. The frequency, f1, of the programmable synthesizer is known since it is known where indexing of the synthesizer was stopped. What stumps me is the follwoing: is the IF, flF1, known since it is counted by the low fre- quency counter. What also needs still to be determined are the N number and the sign
�) of the IF (the sign of flF1 will be (+)
if N�f1 is less than fx;
the sign of fIF1 is (-) if N�fx is greater than fx).

If you can help with this..well done, because its all i need to complete the device construction.


Posted by raveanddie on Aug-02-2004 11:29:

Hi guys, now i was told that there is not much point in buying a keyboard to just find out the keys of a track, that i could do it with software. but software is not accurate

now, i went ahead and bought a CASIO CTK-230 link (cheap only $150USD)
i have posted pictures of the keyboard.





Im not even sure if i bought the correct one or that it is suited to find out the keys of the track

can someone help me. i believe it has 49 keys. do i use all of them to find out what key does the track belong to?

Elliot


Posted by harcourt on Aug-05-2004 02:59:

Question for the music theory peeps.

G#m = G Sharp Minor? = ?
G m = G Minor = 6A

Where do the x#m fit into the numbered scale (what's it called, where it's like 1B, 2B, A1 etc?)


Posted by Nemesis44 on Aug-20-2004 15:26:

Bump


Posted by physe on Aug-20-2004 17:22:

quote:
Originally posted by tw1tch
Question for the music theory peeps.

G#m = G Sharp Minor? = ?
G m = G Minor = 6A

Where do the x#m fit into the numbered scale (what's it called, where it's like 1B, 2B, A1 etc?)


G#m = Abm --> (1A)

Every increment in scale is seven increments in number.

6+7 = 13 --> 1 because the scale goes up to 12.


Posted by Fast Turtle on Aug-20-2004 22:09:

Okay, some of you're probably wondering where I fell off the face of the earth to and where the HMG is.

The HMG 1.02/3 was lost in a harddrive failure while it was not online anywhere, so those newer versions are now lost forever.

I hope to get a chance to update it soon.

-Christina


Posted by sandstorm03 on Aug-23-2004 06:52:

wtf


Posted by brian on Aug-24-2004 01:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Lephaid
The HMG 1.02/3 was lost in a harddrive failure while it was not online anywhere, so those newer versions are now lost forever.

I hope to get a chance to update it soon.

-Christina


No problem, take your time. My previous offer for hosting space still stands.


Posted by Fast Turtle on Aug-24-2004 01:28:

quote:
Originally posted by brian
No problem, take your time. My previous offer for hosting space still stands.


Actually, I tried to upload the site a while back with your webspace, but for some reason I couldn't pubically via hmg.defined.org? Hm.


Posted by brian on Aug-24-2004 14:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Lephaid
Actually, I tried to upload the site a while back with your webspace, but for some reason I couldn't pubically via hmg.defined.org? Hm.


Hmm...will definitely check this out today and let you know what's up.


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