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Originally posted by paranoik0 in the end, i still don't get wtf is a 'christian track'. is a christian track a track made by a christian producer? then why some andy hunter tracks are christian and other aren't? is a christian track a track which has a girl happily cheesily singing about angels? someone enlighten me

In that case, all Christians should avoid downloading things I put in the amateur forum, as they're clearly the work of Satan due to me being a godless heathen (aka an atheist). The devil speaks to you via Frooty Loops!

can't believe you dont get this already!

Christian Track or mix is simply something you could play in church or your home without offending your pastor or family, etc.

Use that as a "guideline" and you'd have a Christian Mix! GET IT?
In the playlist I gave above, obviously the best examples would be the songs produced BY Christians because they specifically promote Jesus. But Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (for example) could obviously be thrown into a Christian mix just because there arent any words!

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Let's assume that a Christian message would be love, which is essentially what Jesus (Albeit selectively ) taught.

Selectively??? See...you are completely ignorant! Why would you say that? YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES so therefore your input about Christianity is weak, to say the least!

Re: can't believe you dont get this already!

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Originally posted by Digital Aura Christian Track or mix is simply something you could play in church or your home without offending your pastor or family, etc.

well, obviously different pastors have different tastes and views in music. i could think of quite a few ones who'd qualify everything with a beat as devil-ish, which throws away the entire electronic dance music genre from being 'christian'.

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Use that as a "guideline" and you'd have a Christian Mix! GET IT? In the playlist I gave above, obviously the best examples would be the songs produced BY Christians because they specifically promote Jesus. But Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (for example) could obviously be thrown into a Christian mix just because there arent any words!

track with words that doesn't 'promote jesus' = anti-christian track?

i could also think of quite a few instrumentals that would offend loads of people. think terrorcore and speedcore

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Religion DOES cause war because the people ("leaders") misinterperet or misconstrue what the religion teaches to mean whatever they want it to mean and that's where the problem is. The same can be said with politics...

hmm, really eh

you should think again, yes the ideas are there but following thru with them takes quite a lot

hell if i told you to jump off a bridge and your soul would be saved..would you?

more of it lies in interpretation of the religion not the religion itself..same thing with corrupt leaders in politics you have the corrupt leaders in religion...so where you focus the blame is ..well.. whatever im tired

Re: can't believe you dont get this already!

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Originally posted by Digital Aura Christian Track or mix is simply something you could play in church or your home without offending your pastor or family, etc. Use that as a "guideline" and you'd have a Christian Mix! GET IT? In the playlist I gave above, obviously the best examples would be the songs produced BY Christians because they specifically promote Jesus. But Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (for example) could obviously be thrown into a Christian mix just because there arent any words! Selectively??? See...you are completely ignorant! Why would you say that? YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES so therefore your input about Christianity is weak, to say the least!

So by your definition, almost every trance track in existence is a 'Christian track'. Many trance tracks have no vocals whatsoever, and the ones that do usually go on about angels, dancing in the sky, loving someone and so forth. Right.

And yes, because my opinion/interpretation of the bible differs to yours, I am therefore ignorant. Nice logic once again. Let's look at the evidence (Interestingly, you failed to address my post in which I took you up on the 'Christianity isn't a religion' comment, and asked you to justify your claim that the world's problems are derived from the fact that there are 'anti-Christ' religions about).

- John, 8:24. Jesus tells us that unbelievers will die in their sins:
"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

- John 12:48. Jesus informs us that not believing in him will cause us to be cast into the fire: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

- Matthew 11:20-24. Jesus (lovingly) tells us that it's ok to murder large groups of people because they didn't enjoy his preaching: "Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes." etc. etc.

Those were simply off the top of my head/things I remembered immediatley. Refutations please.

I'm also interested in your claim that I have no idea what the bible teaches. How on earth would you know that. Have you ever met me? Have you ever engaged me in a conversation on this topic before? The answer (Surprisingly ), is no.

NP: Orbital - Satan

Its one thing to know some verses ...its another to know the author. If you know the author (you must believe that God inspired each book, as He claims) then your "interpretation" (as you call it) will obviously be different.

For example, what you have cited in the book of John does not depict a loveless merciless Christ. God gave us a free will. All Christians should respect and love each other regardless of how we each choose to live (homosexuals, atheists, etc). Thats our free will. But Im glad that He gave us the bible so that we can see where our free will goes against what He originally planned for our lives.
God cannot accept sin ... how could He? He is pure and untainted. He is clear though, that SIN is what he hates....not sinners.
In Matthew 11:20-24 once again he laments over the towns refusal to realize their wickedness...a town where He performed miracles and preached and was refused...
These verses simply show Him reproaching them about the final judgement. Final Judgement is the day we all stand before God to be counted as sinners or those who have accepted that Christ has paid for our sins through his death and resurrection. By believing...on that day we will be saved from eternal seperation from God.


You will NEVER find Christ saying that he HATES any person!!

Refutation? Im not trying to pick an argument or attack anyone here. In fact...we've wandered quite far off the MUSIC DISCUSSION path...PM me if you like to talk about this further!

Stop the fanatism :/
Trance music isn't about 'Chrisianity' or "preaching jesus, promoting jesus or whatever chistian fucktard"
It's music and you labeling it "Christian music" is pathetic.

and that mix is a music mix, not some fucked up "Christian mix"
Get a life, get real, stop fantasising...

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Trance music isn't about 'Chrisianity' or "preaching jesus

..it CAN be.
Why couldnt it be?

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chistian fucktard

hehe...touched a nerve? Look...you dont have to be mean. A structured, well-thought opinion on the subject is welcome here...that...isnt.

Now...back to the music!! [...exits this fruitless thread]

I get really annoyed when chistians search in everything something that has to do with Jesus or almighty God or Allah or whatever ...

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Originally posted by Digital Aura Its one thing to know some verses ...its another to know the author. If you know the author (you must believe that God inspired each book, as He claims) then your "interpretation" (as you call it) will obviously be different. For example, what you have cited in the book of John does not depict a loveless merciless Christ. God gave us a free will. All Christians should respect and love each other regardless of how we each choose to live (homosexuals, atheists, etc). Thats our free will. But Im glad that He gave us the bible so that we can see where our free will goes against what He originally planned for our lives. God cannot accept sin ... how could He? He is pure and untainted. He is clear though, that SIN is what he hates....not sinners. In Matthew 11:20-24 once again he laments over the towns refusal to realize their wickedness...a town where He performed miracles and preached and was refused... These verses simply show Him reproaching them about the final judgement. Final Judgement is the day we all stand before God to be counted as sinners or those who have accepted that Christ has paid for our sins through his death and resurrection. By believing...on that day we will be saved from eternal seperation from God. You will NEVER find Christ saying that he HATES any person!! Refutation? Im not trying to pick an argument or attack anyone here. In fact...we've wandered quite far off the MUSIC DISCUSSION path...PM me if you like to talk about this further!

The only reason I'm taking this up with you is because of your 'anti-Christ religions are what is wrong with the world' comment. I'm sure the Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Secular Humanists and so forth really appreciated you telling them that!

As for the bible, do you not deny that it condones mass killing (Noah's ark, the story of the toddlers and the bald man, god ordering the Israelites to commit mass murder). As for miracles, all I'll say is that it's funny that we no longer see them being performed today. I wonder why. And yes, I'm well aware of what the judgement is, but I've yet to see any credible evidence that it will actually take place. Indeed, there isn't any evidence for the existence of the Christian god either. If you feel you have any, I'm sure that there are many people around who would really love to hear it.

I'll concede on the Christ point, but I think it's moot when you consider the fact that god clearly does hate people. If you like, I'll happily dig up some verses to support that position as well, although this time they will be far more plentiful.

And yes, we have gone off topic. So, err, what's Jesus spinning tonight?

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Originally posted by pooley I get really annoyed when chistians search in everything something that has to do with Jesus or almighty God or Allah or whatever ...

Err, Allah is the Islamic deity.

I know, I didn't want to come out as a christian hater

This has become pointless arctic!
If youd like actual answers then you can come visit us at

CYBERWISDOM

There's plenty of Christians that'd be happy to answer your questions. Or PM me!

See, he's preaching

damn ...

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Originally posted by Digital Aura This has become pointless arctic! If youd like actual answers then you can come visit us at CYBERWISDOM There's plenty of Christians that'd be happy to answer your questions. Or PM me!

My only question was what Jesus would be spinning tonight. So, if Jesus resides on that site, i'm so there.

But yeah, this topic bas been done to death. There have been a million religion threads in the political forum, no sense going over it time and time again, especially in music discussion.

/me heads to bed

Night night.
God bless you
/me puts a lil cross on your forehead

AMEN !

Im not religious, but I dont see why people have a problem with him labelling his music as 'christian'. In what way does this directly offend or affect you and why do you hate it so much? I might not agree with what he says, but if he wants to infer some sort of christian interpretation of the music thats fine - everyone has a different way of enjoying things and interpreting experiences, if it isnt hurting anyone whats the problem?

I'm a Christian yet have no time for Christian Dance Music. Apart from the worldwide message tribe, dance music in Christian Circles has been dull and boring. Christian music is not the force that it used to be, I mean I come from the newsboys, dc talk and MWS era of music and nothing will top that. Those were true concerts back then...hehehehehe. Seriously here, if the guy wants to label his music Christian and he is Christian, then I have no problem with it. I don't think he is hitting you over the head saying YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS OR YOU WILL BURN IN HELL. If he wants to point people to his music, then let him. Afterall, everyone decides what belief system they want to follow and only they can decide, not others. I encourage most positive music, no matter the religion because this world is too violent, too corrupt and a positive message I rather hear than the faceless stuff that is released.

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Originally posted by Digital Aura ..it CAN be. Why couldnt it be?

This music was NOT made to praise god.
Perhaps it was made for people to take lots of drugs and dance around like bunnies on crack? Or maybe its made to touch people? Or its even possible its made so premarital sex could be better?
I dont fuckin know, but I'll tell you one thing.

IT WASNT MADE AS AN EXTENSION OF THE BIBLE IN ANY WAY AND WASN'T MADE TO PRAISE GOD.

when a song might have vocals that go something like "your my angel" it doesn't mean it literally, it is a metaphor, chump.

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Originally posted by torontotrance I'm a Christian yet have no time for Christian Dance Music. Apart from the worldwide message tribe, dance music in Christian Circles has been dull and boring. Christian music is not the force that it used to be, I mean I come from the newsboys, dc talk and MWS era of music and nothing will top that. Those were true concerts back then...hehehehehe. Seriously here, if the guy wants to label his music Christian and he is Christian, then I have no problem with it. I don't think he is hitting you over the head saying YOU MUST LISTEN TO THIS OR YOU WILL BURN IN HELL. If he wants to point people to his music, then let him. Afterall, everyone decides what belief system they want to follow and only they can decide, not others. I encourage most positive music, no matter the religion because this world is too violent, too corrupt and a positive message I rather hear than the faceless stuff that is released.

I am a Christian and this would be exactly my viewpoint on Christian Dance music, although I have tgo disagree with you about Christian Music not bring the force it used to be, but thats just my opinion hehe

I come from an old time in Christian Music, when they had 3 big bands and those big bands tore apart concerts. DC TALK - ACC 1999....Newsboys - Queensway 1996 then 1997, DC TALK, MWS, - Skydome 1995. What times, those were the days . All before I was legal clubbing age heh.

whoa lol

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Originally posted by TrAnCeAkI whoa lol

Very profound statement there.

<3.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Religion DOES cause war because the people ("leaders") misinterperet or misconstrue what the religion teaches to mean whatever they want it to mean and that's where the problem is. The same can be said with politics...

no, you have already proved yourself wrong. its not the religion, its a persons EGO. when you think of yourself high and mighty, its power and domination that you wish to maintain. Religion has and will always, so long as humanity survives, be used as a mask to justify personal ambition. If you put a child in front of you and claim that he or she wants a certain person dead, is the child the one to blame for death of that person?

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Originally posted by pooley I get really annoyed when chistians search in everything something that has to do with Jesus or almighty God or Allah or whatever ...

why do you hate that? what causes you to hate us? The reason christians see God and the teachings of Jesus everywhere is because they ARE everywhere. what jesus taught applies to everyone and are eternal truths. God is not some guy sitting on clouds who decides who dies and who doesnt. God is whats was, what is, and what will be. Through God we are all connected.

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Originally posted by Stassi This music was NOT made to praise god. Perhaps it was made for people to take lots of drugs and dance around like bunnies on crack? Or maybe its made to touch people? Or its even possible its made so premarital sex could be better? I dont fuckin know, but I'll tell you one thing. IT WASNT MADE AS AN EXTENSION OF THE BIBLE IN ANY WAY AND WASN'T MADE TO PRAISE GOD. when a song might have vocals that go something like "your my angel" it doesn't mean it literally, it is a metaphor, chump.

how narrow your view of music is. This concept that you believe is also what many christian fundamentalists believe, which is sad. their children, if they chose the same path, will grow never knowing the wonders of music and dancing. What one person makes for a junkie, can also be used as a tool to praise God. EDM is a great form of music because it can transcend racial, linguistic, and cultural barriers and create happiness to anyone who wishes to listen. How is that I, a christian, can listen to the same music you listen to and enjoy it just as much, if not maybe more? Point being, whatever makes me happy i can use to praise God, even if you use it differently.

also just to keep this music discussion orientated, im listening to Benjamin Bates - Lost in the Way You Close Your Eyes

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Originally posted by Lost Inhibition how narrow your view of music is. This concept that you believe is also what many christian fundamentalists believe, which is sad. their children, if they chose the same path, will grow never knowing the wonders of music and dancing. What one person makes for a junkie, can also be used as a tool to praise God. EDM is a great form of music because it can transcend racial, linguistic, and cultural barriers and create happiness to anyone who wishes to listen. How is that I, a christian, can listen to the same music you listen to and enjoy it just as much, if not maybe more? Point being, whatever makes me happy i can use to praise God, even if you use it differently. also just to keep this music discussion orientated, im listening to Benjamin Bates - Lost in the Way You Close Your Eyes

What concept I believe in? That Dance music was made for DANCING and not prayer?? I don't think thats too bold a statement.
Hey I don't do Drugs, but a shitload of people in the EDM scene sure do. And the way the scene has been going, this music is not being used to praise god, its being used to praise RECORD SALES! How many Producers Cry about monetary issues?
Either way, my view for music isn't narrow, I was trained when I was young for classical, I produced a bit in my younger years, play guitar drums piano AND DJ, I listen to just about anything that sounds good with real soul (ie. not made just to sell records). Maybe you got offended cause your too thick to realize the sarcasm I add to my posts? Either way, Christian music is not my cup of tea, so i'll leave you to creed or whatever it is you listen to.

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