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| Originally posted by Cyrus King HAHHAHHAHA..too bad nobody gives a shit about your stupid preachings about "morality". Gays are getting married everywhere.... and you religious morons cant do anything about it! Keep crying homophobe...cuz equality will prevail ADAM AND EVE!!!!!!!!! HAHAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAH....Its ADAM AND STEVE NOW!!!!!!!!  |
you know what i think would be a good idea? I think that the U.S. government should take away all legal protections given to marriage, and give them to civil Unions. let the government recognize civil unions, and let the religions recognize marriage. That way, the religions can be oppressive and unfair without consequence, and everyone can be with who they want.
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| Originally posted by tranceaholic i wonder what are u laughing about..arnold asked for the termination of this..he steppef in non of the shit u r laughing about came through..its all not legal and wont be..so the guy u r making fun of won..dont jump the gun |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King HAHHAHHAHA..too bad nobody gives a shit about your stupid preachings about "morality". Gays are getting married everywhere.... and you religious morons cant do anything about it! Keep crying homophobe...cuz equality will prevail ADAM AND EVE!!!!!!!!! HAHAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAH....Its ADAM AND STEVE NOW!!!!!!!! |
Oh god, more stupid american noob's on the board.
Go play with the crocodiles
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Oh god, more stupid american noob's on the board. Go play with the crocodiles |
Here we go again...
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| Originally posted by Arbiter Here we go again... |
Bakas!!!!
** Good Riddens. This is not a democracy here, this is nothing. I am not having fun sitting back and just letting this crap come at me. Maybe i will be a hypocrite for a second, but maybe not everthing is about competing. Maybe life is about learning what others do in life. God put us all here for a reason am i not correct? I have nothing more to say (for now) bye
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Its happening, so live with it. Your kids will be attending gay marriages in the future. You can either rot with hate, or accpet it as it is. These people want to get married,, why not? Becuase a BOOK says so?????????? Well... in my opinion, that book is (@$*)*(!$^(!@$*(!@#^$&*( |
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| Originally posted by tranceaholic dont u read..the governer stopped it..it is not gonna be happen anymore..all those that happened arent accepted by the state now..have a nice day.. |
oh god...yet ANOTHER argument regarding gays...funny how people can get so worked up about 2% of the world population...if i had a quarter for everytime i've seen one of these...
well i havent posted my argument for gays here yet, so here i go:
For starters, Mr Smokeape. I think you forgot something. That button you pushed when you first registered that you agreed upon came with the following stipulation: "By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, excessively sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws." Yeah. Your ass is gone...
Secondly: notice how the overwhelming majority of posts against gay marriages in this thread lower THEIR morals and use insulting language. As if you can't be classy because you happen to disagree about a social issue.
Ok. Now about my stance on this and homosexuality in general:
-Yes, it IS a statistical abnormality. Remember, only 2% of the whole world population claim to be gay, not including those still in the closet which is a non-issue anyway since it won't raise the # that much.
-Let's not forget 1973 when homosexuality was taken off the American Psychiatric Association list of mental disorders because IT'S NOT A MENTAL ILLNESS!!
-Oh, it's immoral and unnatural? What's so immoral about love? What is so unnatural about the fulfillment of sexual desire with another person?
-Oh wait, the BIBLE says it's wrong. Well all I have to say is God bless Aaron Sorkin and IMDb
Dr. Jenna Jacobs: I don't say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President. The Bible does.
President Josiah Bartlet: Yes it does. Leviticus.
Dr. Jenna Jacobs: 18:22.
President Josiah Bartlet: Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I have you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo McGarry insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important because we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you?
So to all those opposed to gays and what they do with their lives: get over it already. Would you? Please, there's too much other bullshit to worry about than something as miniscule as this...
End of the Run?
I'm curious, if and when gays are granted the 'rights' of marriage, will they end there?
I mean I think they have gone to the end of the run with it. After marriage they can claim no more discrimination or inequality by society then say feminists.
With achieving gay marriage, won't the gay agenda end?
Can any of you think of whats next for gays on the social political agenda, or do you guys think this is the end of the road?
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| Originally posted by arctic I don't think it matters what Arnie did, the Democrats will get in eventually (I think Bush is on his way out in the upcoming election, but that's another topic), and as the pressure mounts, I do think they'll cave in and legalize it eventually. It might not happen yet, but it will get legalized eventually. |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus I'm curious, if and when gays are granted the 'rights' of marriage, will they end there? I mean I think they have gone to the end of the run with it. After marriage they can claim no more discrimination or inequality by society then say feminists. With achieving gay marriage, won't the gay agenda end? Can any of you think of whats next for gays on the social political agenda, or do you guys think this is the end of the road? |
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| Originally posted by DaveSZ I think it will be the Supreme Court that decides, but yeah I agree the gays will get what they want eventually if it takes anther 10 years. San Fran is quite left-wing compared to the rest of the US, but what is interesting is the county clerk that handed out marriage licenses to gays in New Mexico was a Republican in a more conservative rural area. |
hey arctic u started ur post with god how come 
..anyways i think now is the only time for gays to make thier move cause their story is hot if not now it will die eventually..as long as bush is the president it wont happen..for it to happen it will need a non religious leader..other than that..dont c it happening..
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| Originally posted by tranceaholic hey arctic u started ur post with god how come ..anyways i think now is the only time for gays to make thier move cause their story is hot if not now it will die eventually..as long as bush is the president it wont happen..for it to happen it will need a non religious leader..other than that..dont c it happening.. |
have a nice day sir!
I am just wondering if you all realize the immigration loophole that legalizing gay marriage will create.
Afterall, as eligible bachelor (and for this hypothetical, assuming I'm a US citizen) who will probably remain so for the next couple of years, can marry my best friend from Israel, bring him over here, pretend I'm gay (just like I pretend I pay taxes..), marry him, and divorce him in a few years. Better yet why don't I marry my brother and give him US citizenship! Afterall, who is the US government to tell me who I can and can't marry as long as no one gets hurt?
Enjoy the thought expirement
Many S.F. churches voice support
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...NGTF53E1P25.DTL
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Many S.F. churches voice support Don Lattin, Steve Rubenstein, Chronicle Staff Writers City Hall workers are not the only officiants keeping busy these days with same-sex marriages. The Rev. Karen Oliveto, pastor of Bethany United Methodist Church in San Francisco, has provided God's blessing to eight couples who were issued civil marriage licenses since the great wedding march to City Hall began last Thursday. "We are in a whole new world, and the church better catch up,'' Oliveto said. Most of Oliveto's weddings have been in and around City Hall, but Sunday she presided over the union of Dan Johnson and Bill Hinson -- which she said is the first legal gay marriage to take place inside a Methodist church sanctuary. "This may make some United Methodists angry, but anyone who knows the location of our ministry knows that I acted faithfully,'' said Oliveto, whose 170-member Noe Valley congregation is about half gay, half straight. National church law in Oliveto's 8-million-member Protestant denomination specifically forbids holy union ceremonies for gay and lesbian couples. Her actions are likely to prompt a formal complaint to Northern California Methodist Bishop Beverly Shamana, which would begin a long, bureaucratic process that could result in Oliveto losing her ministerial credentials. Shamana, who has dodged questions about gay marriage since her election as bishop nearly four years ago, was on "renewal leave'' and unavailable for comment until March. But she did release a written statement Wednesday that took no clear position on the controversial issue. "At this time ... as people of faith we are not of one mind on issues related to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered persons,'' said Shamana, adding that church laws make "diverse statements about homosexuality in the church.'' Clergy from six religious traditions -- Episcopalian, Jewish, Lutheran, Baptist, Unitarian and Methodist -- stood by Oliveto on Wednesday at a news conference at Bethany church to support the week of same-sex weddings. "The time is long overdue for gay and lesbian people to have the support and protection of the law for their faithful relationships and their families, '' said the Rev. Alan Jones, the dean of Grace (Episcopal) Cathedral. "Gays and lesbians are our friends and colleagues. They are us. It's time to honor and celebrate all those who seek to strengthen the human family.'' Leaders of St. Francis Lutheran Church, which was expelled from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America in 1990 for hiring two openly lesbian pastors, have invited all couples recently married at City Hall to go for a blessing at their church in the Castro at 11 a.m. Sunday. "We want queer couples and their friends and families to know that there are Christians who celebrate these marriages and a God who blesses them," said Jane Moyer, congregation vice president. The Reverends Ruth Frost and Phyllis Zillhart, the lesbian couple whose leadership led to the congregation's ejection from the national church, were among the 2,600 couples married at City Hall over Valentine's Day weekend. Of course, not all San Francisco Protestants are jumping on the gay marriage bandwagon. The Rev. P.T. Mammen, president of the San Francisco Evangelical Association, said his reading of the Bible clearly prohibits the sexual union of homosexuals and unmarried heterosexuals. "When we violate God's principles, we reap the consequences,'' said Mammen, a minister with the Church of the Nazarene. "No civil authority is above God's law.'' Last week, the spiritual leader of what is by far the largest church in San Francisco, Roman Catholic Archbishop William Levada, had a similar response to Mayor Gavin Newsom's actions. "Marriage is a relationship defined by nature, a reality which takes its origin in creation itself,'' Levada said. "Society does not create marriages.'' |
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| Originally posted by tranceaholic dont u read..the governer stopped it..it is not gonna be happen anymore..all those that happened arent accepted by the state now..have a nice day.. |
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San Francisco Judge Rules Gay Marriages Can Continue By DEAN E. MURPHY Published: February 21, 2004 AN FRANCISCO, Feb. 20 � Opponents of gay marriage suffered another setback here on Friday when a judge refused to block the issuance of same-sex marriage licenses, saying the opponents had not shown that the weddings were causing immediate harm. In New Mexico, though, Attorney General Patricia A. Madrid moved swiftly to shut down an effort in a county near Albuquerque to follow San Francisco's lead. Ms. Madrid said through a spokeswoman that same-sex marriage licenses issued Friday in Sandoval County violated state law. "If marriage licenses were issued today to same-sex partners, they will be void," said the spokeswoman, Sam Thompson. The Sandoval County clerk, Victoria Dunlap, said she only began issuing the licenses because a same-sex couple requested one last week. After conferring with the county attorney, Ms. Dunlap said, it was determined that she had no grounds to deny the couple a license. By midday Friday, she had processed 35 applications from same-sex couples with dozens of others waiting in line. "What I need is someone in government to stand up and clarify the law," Ms. Dunlap said prior to the attorney general's ruling. The judge in San Francisco, Ronald Evans Quidachay of San Francisco Superior Court, did not rule on the substance of a lawsuit brought against the city asserting that the licenses violate the state's family code. Those arguments are expected to be heard next month, when a separate lawsuit against the marriage policy is scheduled for a hearing. The judge said the two lawsuits, brought by conservative and religious groups, would be consolidated to "avoid duplication of labor." It was the third time since Feb. 13 that a judge has refused to block the issuance of the licenses. Opponents of same-sex marriages said they were confident of victory in the long run. "The radical action that is taking place here is not something most Americans agree with, " said Mathew D. Staver, who represents the Campaign for California Families, one group suing the city. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, concerned about the judge's inaction, wrote a letter late on Friday to the California attorney general, Bill Lockyer, saying that "San Francisco's actions are directly contrary to state law and present an imminent risk to civil order." He directed Mr. Lockyer to "take immediate steps to obtain a definitive judicial resolution to this controversy." Some judicial experts said that the moves in San Francisco and New Mexico indicated the debate over the licenses was becoming more rooted in legal, not political, ground. "The plain effort by the gay rights movement is to have the law take the initiative, to replace the political sentiment," said Jesse H. Choper, professor of constitutional law at the University of California, Berkeley. Mr. Choper called the strategy a bid to sidestep political and public opinion, which remains largely opposed to same-sex marriages. A poll conducted last weekend by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California showed that 58 percent of people in the San Francisco Bay area favored allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry, but that only 44 percent of all Californians shared that view. State law defines marriage as between a man and a woman, but city officials say equality provisions in the state's Constitution should take precedence. "This ultimately has got to be resolved upstairs in the United States Supreme Court," Mr. Choper said. Friday was the ninth day that the same-sex marriage licenses were issued in San Francisco following a directive by Mayor Gavin Newsom, bringing the total to 3,175 by 4 p.m. Hundreds of couples waited after hours to receive an appointment for a license next week. But protests by religious groups heightened, with some opponents at one point blocking entry to the county clerk's office. At 10 a.m., Mr. Newsom officiated at the highest-profile wedding yet, that of Cristina Arguedas, 50, and Carol Migden, 55, who have been partners for 19 years. Ms. Arguedas is a criminal lawyer who once represented O. J. Simpson and Ms. Migden is chairwoman of the state's Board of Equalization. She has also served as a San Francisco County supervisor and a state assemblywoman. Ms. Migden said her decision to marry was partly made to support Mr. Newsom. "I expect there to be resistance," Ms. Migden said. "Any hard-fought civil rights gains certainly take a lot of time in the trenches. We are not afraid of that. We are not shying away from that. Frankly it all feels like a victory today." |
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Daley on gay marriage: 'no problem' February 19, 2004 BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter Mayor Daley said Wednesday he would have "no problem" with County Clerk David Orr issuing marriage licenses to gay couples -- and Orr said he's open to a San Francisco-style protest if a consensus can be built. "They're your doctors, your lawyers, your journalists, your politicians," the mayor said. "They're someone's son or daughter. They're someone's mother or father. . . . I've seen people of the same sex adopt children, have families. [They're] great parents. "Some people have a difference of opinion -- that only a man and a woman can get married. But in the long run, we have to understand what they're saying. They love each other just as much as anyone else.'' A devout Catholic, Daley scoffed at the suggestion that gay marriage would somehow undermine the institution of marriage between a man and a woman. "Marriage has been undermined by divorce, so don't tell me about marriage. You're not going to lecture me about marriage. People should look at their own life and look in their own mirror. Marriage has been undermined for a number of years if you look at the facts and figures on it. Don't blame the gay and lesbian, transgender and transsexual community. Please don't blame them for it," he said. Daley said he has no control over marriage licenses in Cook County. But if Orr wants to take that bold step, the mayor has no problem with it. Orr said he was "game to looking at options" provided a consensus could be built. "I'm fed up with people being discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. We can't even pass a law that eliminates discrimination against gay couples. [But] whatever you do when it comes to challenging laws, you want it to be effective and not knee-jerk," Orr said. The clerk noted the protest that has gay couples from around the nation lining up for hours outside San Francisco's City Hall was meticulously planned. It wasn't just "the clerk waking up one day and deciding to marry someone," Orr said. It had the support of the entire "city apparatus" in San Francisco -- from the mayor, City Council and advocacy groups on down. That's the model that would have to be followed here, Orr said. "Whether or not, here in Cook County, we should be considering a San Francisco or other kind of protest, that is what some of us are discussing. I'm quite interested in exploring that with key players in the city and county. I'm already discussing that with a number of advocacy and key groups. I would like to discuss it with the mayor," Orr said. State law says same-sex marriage is contrary to public policy. It recognizes only a marriage between a man and a woman. Daley and Orr are going farther than gay activists are willing to go on the issue of gay marriage. Ald. Tom Tunney (44th), Chicago's first openly gay alderman, said his top legislative priority is to pass Senate Bill 101 prohibiting statewide discrimination against gays and lesbians in housing and employment. "We're putting the cart before the horse. We have to get to that step first and then we move incrementally," Tunney said. Rick Garcia, political director of Equality Illinois, applauded Daley for taking the lead on the explosive issue of gay marriage. "No one can accuse Mayor Daley of being some left-wing pinko. ... It means a lot. It sets a tone." Last fall, the county board authorized Orr to issue certificates of domestic partnership that carry no legal rights. Garcia believes it's time for Orr to take it a step further and issue marriage license to gay couples. But he's not about to "initiate anything at this point" with a formal protest. |
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| Originally posted by trancepixie17 ** You forgot one thing here darlin, bush is from texas! Texas= queers and steers. lol. my pops taught me that and it's a fact! no offense to anyone else from texas. have a nice day sir! |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus You realize that seoncd sentance just saved your life, didn't you? |
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