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nah since t=x, t=x+1 is basically the same as x=t+1

Actually, it's not exactly the same. You see, t is your dependent variable and x is your independent. So we fix x and find t. If x = t+1, then t = x - 1, and obviously that's not the same as t = x + 1. The original formulation was correct but your confusion is interesting since it confused me also for a second

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Originally posted by St_Andrew nah since t=x, t=x+1 is basically the same as x=t+1

Well if t=x and t=x+1 then by induction t=y for any y that you would care to mention. Therefore also for t-1, which would be an event in the past (assuming greater values of t means further ahead in time, of course )

^^^^ Yes, yes. I should have specifically written t1 and t2. Pardon the confusion. Now let's get back to the issue at hand shall we, before we start delving into mathematics

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Her country was involved in a war. I'm sorry to hear about her loss, but stuff like that happens in war (a lot less with the way the US wages war these days also). The American army tries as hard as possible to avoid civillian casualties, but in war, people die. Now, lets look at who's responsible, shall we... Her and her family kept an evil regime in power, just as the Germans were responsible for the Nazi's coming to power and staying in power. Likewise the Japanese. Her innocents is shattered by the fact that she is part of a community that did nothing to stop her own evil government.

and your nation creates hatred, which lead people flying airplanes in wtc and such..

we can do this arguement as well dumbass, but i wont because terrorist are stupid and your adminstration is even more stupid.,

your just sick guy, saying it's her fault that she lost her familie..really...il keep my tone down.

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Originally posted by Epicurus No they should not be held accountable. Although citizens in democratic countries do INDEED elect their leaders, not EVERY citizen elects that specific leader. A citizen could have voted for another leader, who then proceeded to lose the elections. Thus, when their governments perpetrate acts of "state terrorism", for instance, and "terrorists" attack this state back by killing civilians by using suicide bombs against them, which, ipso facto, do NOT discriminate against people who voted for or against a particular leader, the suicide bombers are at fault.

Just to add to your hypothetical situation ... said terrorists would be doubly at fault since their planned attacks were not in response to a convoluted logic trail of responsibility for perpetrated acts of "state terrorism", but rather as a means to accomplish a completely independant set of ideological goals.

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Just to add to your hypothetical situation ... said terrorists would be doubly at fault since their planned attacks were not in response to a convoluted logic trail of responsibility for perpetrated acts of "state terrorism", but rather as a means to accomplish a completely independant set of ideological goals.

Oh common, the logic isn't that convoluted. Even you were able to follow it But seriously, of course, your point is valid IF you were able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was true. However, I didn't include that statement specifically because it is extremely difficult to prove that these acts were indeed performed for a COMPLETELY INDEPENDANT set of ideological goals. Thus, when I argue this, I usually like to concede this point and see where that gets me. If indeed, I can somehow rationally justify why the "terrorists" are to blame when they kill innocent civilians DESPITE conceding this point (See view point number 2), then I've obviously strengthened my general argument regarding the lack of accountability of the citizenry of that democratic country.

the justification that i've heard (although don't agree with), is that citizens pay taxes, taxes finance wars. since all citizens pay taxes, there are no innocents...

frightening.

I say it's simple. You don't like a country then leave. No ones forcing you to stay a part of that nation. If that nation or it's ideals offends you then leave. You choose to stay and be a part you choose to not opt out. Until you are old enough to descide for yourself your legal guardians take responciblity for you and so children can't be excluded.

Wow, this thread is going off tangent a lot, besides having a retarded main argument.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Wow, this thread is going off tangent a lot, besides having a retarded main argument.

Indeed, lots of rhetoric in this one.

By the way, this was 2 pages ago but the word is "multitudinous." You need that second "i", otherwise the pronunciation would sound ridiculous.

Re: Occupation

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Originally posted by Palestinian Let's not take things out of context. Palestinians are fighting to be free from occupation. Israel is the occupier, Palestinians are the occupied. Occupied also means that their fundamental human rights are violated on a daily basis for 37 years now. Once you accept this fact, then you can begin to talk about other issues. A military F16 dropping a bomb on a densely populated area to kill one man is disgusting. I find it absolutely ridiculous to defend such an action. I would also point out that these extrajudical assissinations are not as common as when Israeli soldiers randomly shoot at civilians in refugee camps as a provocation and warning. If a Hamas leader was walking within a crowded Tel Aviv street, would it be moral to bomb the street full of Israelis and one Hamas leader? How dispicable.

what do you say we (the world community) just let them (israel and palestinians) go at it? no rules, best man wins.

that way there will finally be an end and less bloodshed in the long run

Israel is already doing whatever it wants... thats why the pals are pissed.

We should settle it all with an arm wrestling match.

American military bodycount is up: 744
http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx

hey this is fun you can see them by state, city of origin...



Iraqi bodycount: 8865 to 10715
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

Now... isn't that fair?

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Originally posted by borron American military bodycount is up: 744 http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx hey this is fun you can see them by state, city of origin... Iraqi bodycount: 8865 to 10715 http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm Now... isn't that fair?

fair has nothing to do with it...

The only evilness in this world comes from this guy that posts regularly on this websited called www.tranceaddict.com. His name is Cyrus King.

You want evil?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast...napp/index.html

Threatening to burn alive three Japanese nationals and two Arabs if Japan does not withdraw their 500 troops, even though the troops are there strictly for humanitarian reasons. If that's not evil, I'm not exactly sure what is.

Yeah you can talk about "motivations" and the relativity or evil all you like (which I'd normally consider) but which ever way you look at it thats evil as fuck. Seriously you have to ask at what point is someone no longer a member of what could be called the human race. I'd say it's the point that they would in cold blood just to better their own agenda burn someone alive.

More evil Americans here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm

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Originally posted by StealthAssassin More evil Americans here: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm

yea... just read Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut..

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Originally posted by StealthAssassin More evil Americans here: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm

C'est la vie ... such is total war. Unfortunately in total war civilians become resources for the state's ability to carry out war . Ironically, nuclear weapons have more or less made the concept total war obsolete. Perhaps they have saved more lives than they have taken ...

Your Evil. We'll leave it at that.

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