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Cyrus youre right. Lets all just hold hands and light some fucking candles. Thatll solve the worlds problems.

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Originally posted by Orbax Cyrus youre right. Lets all just hold hands and light some fucking candles. Thatll solve the worlds problems.

Chill-out-room bullshit responses like that are typical from its main posters.

And another thing, most of the responses i have read from the americans on this forum... espescially the ones that popped out of no where recently, seem to indirect and directly imply that arabs are evil and that murder is inherent in their blood. Looks like those christian fanatics and zionists that seem to control your government are doing well indoctrinating your media obssesed society.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Chill-out-room bullshit responses like that are typical from its main posters.

Because that makes sense.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King And another thing, most of the responses i have read from the americans on this forum... espescially the ones that popped out of no where recently, seem to indirect and directly imply that arabs are evil and that murder is inherent in their blood.

Inherent only after they have been brainwashed by an ultra-violent, extremist at a very young age. Before that they still have hope.

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Originally posted by Shakka Inherent only after they have been brainwashed by an ultra-violent, extremist at a very young age. Before that they still have hope.

Who is brainwashing them to murder indiscriminantly?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Iraq itself is being DETAINED.. every civilian death is is the result of BUsh and his buddie's money loving crusade. I can show you pics of occupied civilians shot in the head by soldiers

You fail to realize that my commentary in regards to this subject matter was limited to the detentions at Guantanamo Bay, as you know full well from being a regular on this forum I in know way support the presence of American troops in Iraq under the reasons that George W. Bush gave for that conflict. My comment was simply referencing the commentary of Borron on the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, nothing more, nothing less. If you want to use that rationale then I can show you bombed out trains in Madrid with body parts, pics of dead people who leapt from the World Trade Center as well, and many, many more grizzly acts perpetrated by so called "jihad" but does that justify the Iraq conflict. I know fully better than that, it clearly does NOT.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Who is brainwashing them to murder indiscriminantly?

Explaining this to you would crash Swamper's server.

Sound familiar

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Originally posted by Cyrus King IN case you havent figured it out,, OCCUPATION itself is wrong.

says who?
i certinally dont believe so... the american occupation of post WW2 germany and japan greatly improved and aided their societies.

as long as the occupation is there to "nation build" a future independent, self-reliant, democractic country that upholds the basic human rights then by golly i'm all for it

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan You fail to realize that my commentary in regards to this subject matter was limited to the detentions at Guantanamo Bay, as you know full well from being a regular on this forum I in know way support the presence of American troops in Iraq under the reasons that George W. Bush gave for that conflict. My comment was simply referencing the commentary of Borron on the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, nothing more, nothing less. If you want to use that rationale then I can show you bombed out trains in Madrid with body parts, pics of dead people who leapt from the World Trade Center as well, and many, many more grizzly acts perpetrated by so called "jihad" but does that justify the Iraq conflict. I know fully better than that, it clearly does NOT.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King And another thing, most of the responses i have read from the americans on this forum... espescially the ones that popped out of no where recently, seem to indirect and directly imply that arabs are evil and that murder is inherent in their blood. Looks like those christian fanatics and zionists that seem to control your government are doing well indoctrinating your media obssesed society.

i know im not one who you refered to, but i will speak on their behalf.... i dont think any of us think that the arabs are evil... all we are saying is that evil currently resides in parts of the arab culture today, and they are doing little if anything to change it, let alone admit they even have a problem.

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Originally posted by Izzy says who? i certinally dont believe so... the american occupation of post WW2 germany and japan greatly improved and aided their societies. as long as the occupation is there to "nation build" a future independent, self-reliant, democractic country that upholds the basic human rights then by golly i'm all for it

The nature of those countries was hardly as chaotic as IRaq was during their height.

And that was WW2... totally different motives and complexities involved in that time.

Who are you to forcefullly bring your way of living onto other societies?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King The nature of those countries was hardly as chaotic as IRaq was during their height. And that was WW2... totally different motives and complexities involved in that time.

of course there are differences, but there are also similaraties. regardless, as you've basicly just said occupation is not neccisarly bad... so your initial statement is invalidated

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Who are you to forcefullly bring your way of living onto other societies?

when it involves forcefully bringing my way of living to a society that mass murders innocent civilians just because of their ethnicity, then consider me the "all powerful" - that's who i am

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Who are you to forcefullly bring your way of living onto other societies?

Ayn Rand anyone?

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Originally posted by Orbax Ayn Rand anyone?

Finally--another fan! I gotta dig into Anthem and We The Living this summer.

I actually hate her, lol sorry. Relativism makes my blood boil.

occupaiton in and of itself is not illegal.

there are ways to properly run an occupation and ways to run it that are unproper.

Under occupation, both the occupants and the occupiers have responsibilites to make things "proper". There are laws of war governing occupation, and both sides can violate these laws.

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Originally posted by Orbax I actually hate her, lol sorry. Relativism makes my blood boil.

I'm not up to speed on the Relativism issue, but I do think her Objectivist philosophy is hands down one of the more rational philosophies around.

Actually, I was wondering what your reference meant--I just picked up the Rand reference.

My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."

-ayn rand

Her undertones in her work is that of Moral Relativism ie to judge anothers actions is a form of centrism be is ethnocentrism if youre judging another society or culture, or self centrism.

Its the whole idea that there is no absolute morality to compare actions against and we are all going off of our own mores and norms.

The whole "who are we to judge" mentality.

Thats what I dont like Its an optimistic utopian ideology and shouldnt be taken seriously, and isnt in philosophical circles.

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Originally posted by Orbax My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." -ayn rand Her undertones in her work is that of Moral Relativism ie to judge anothers actions is a form of centrism be is ethnocentrism if youre judging another society or culture, or self centrism. Its the whole idea that there is no absolute morality to compare actions against and we are all going off of our own mores and norms. The whole "who are we to judge" mentality. Thats what I dont like Its an optimistic utopian ideology and shouldnt be taken seriously, and isnt in philosophical circles.

Funny, I think my interpretation of her philosophy leads me to different conclusions, or at least conclusions that I find extremely rational and practical, not to mention realistic. But I also see where her views can be a bit extreme--I think that's a product of her life experience.

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