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Posted by MisterOpus1 on May-12-2004 13:52:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
No, but I do not make naive teenage assumptions that whenever an unidentified bright light is noticed that the only reasonable explanation is an alien spaceship. UFO means unidentified flying object, not alien flying object. I have never stated that the lights are not alien spaceships, I have only said that it is not certain that they are alien spaceships, unlike you who are immediately jumping to conclusion without any serious confirmation.



Again, the military provided evidence for unidentified lights, not alien spaceship lights. There may well have been other sources for those lights.



And what is it that the US hides?


As a fellow skeptic, I agree with DrUg_Tit0's assessment. I might also add this part of the story from Reuters:

quote:
Mexico has a long history of fanciful UFO sightings, most of which are dismissed by scientists as space debris, missiles, weather balloons, natural weather phenomena or hoaxes.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...exico_ufos_dc_1


Seems that Mexico has a propensity for being incorrect, not just some of the time, but all of the time. You might not want to hold your breath too long for this one.


Posted by ShadoWolf on May-12-2004 14:43:

quote:
Originally posted by j�c�
what are humans anyway?



Stop right there.

SCIENTOLOGY = TEH STUPID


Posted by Floorfiller on May-12-2004 15:02:

OMG...aliens are coming...quick who wants to have sex? this may be your last chance hehe..


Posted by ShadoWolf on May-12-2004 15:07:

Pinkbox Special - The French Don't Cry

^^^^^^
music for the first landing...and for when they open the door and reveal themselves for the first time


Posted by Boomer187 on May-12-2004 15:15:

ha, I have the answer to everyone. and it solves the problems of ufos and americas secrets.

[theory]

It is the US doing it all, hoowever I think you are overestimating the us's ability. Now they do not have the technology to cure aids, cancers or to make lightning fast ships. However it is the US controlling these things.



What I think the US realised early on is the fear of the unknown. If they can get skeptics to think they are hiding something, people assume it is high technology that others would want.....like new planes etc.


however instead of the real thing, they created ways to act like they have these things....as in they create these light displays to fool others into thinking it is a alien craft, or that it is a US test project. This increases fear, and you assume the worse.


the physics of making such a craft are just about impossible, however I would think it is very easy to fool IR screens, or home vids at night, or photos at night.


with this mexian thing it is very easy to fool people into thinking they were being followed, pilots fly by gauges and their radar at night....so any object on there is real....however if the us devised a way to fake such an event....outstanding....

they are fearful there is something out there that fast, and if it is linked to the US, it creates more fear of us.

so in the end, it is just like the crop circles, highly sophisticated spoofs making people believe in aliens and fearing the unknown.

[/theory]


I only call it a theory becasue there has to be governement documentation somehwere to prove this wrong or right....however getting to that documentation would be extremely difficult, so it might be best to label this as a guess.


Posted by Vivid Neo on May-12-2004 15:18:

Take me to your leed0r... and while ur at it, gimme tacos


Posted by Cloudburst on May-12-2004 15:25:


Posted by Dopey on May-12-2004 15:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
OMG...aliens are coming...quick who wants to have sex? this may be your last chance hehe..


lol gotta love that part in independence day...you dont wanna die a virgin do you?????


Posted by Floorfiller on May-12-2004 15:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Dopey
lol gotta love that part in independence day...you dont wanna die a virgin do you?????


that would totally be me hehehe...

or like in true lies... "do it for your country" hhahaha


Posted by fbgdavidson on May-12-2004 16:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Dopey
the article i read said that they surrounded the jets.

IMO, any UFO in the mexican sky is prolly some sort of american craft. they have all sorts of projects they test in the deserts.


Why would the Americans test over Mexico when there is the goddamn Pacific ocean there to overfly with nobody peeking???


Posted by Mako on May-12-2004 16:05:

quote:
Originally posted by fbgdavidson
Why would the Americans test over Mexico when there is the goddamn Pacific ocean there to overfly with nobody peeking???


A good reason is to test reconnaisance procedures with the aircraft, and there is more stuff to look at over ground than over sea.


Posted by Dopey on May-12-2004 16:26:

quote:
Originally posted by fbgdavidson
Why would the Americans test over Mexico when there is the goddamn Pacific ocean there to overfly with nobody peeking???


they would have to fly over coastal (more populated) areas to get there, also theres a risk of crash with no recovery (of what would be somewhat expensive stuff).


Posted by Radagast on May-12-2004 16:33:

Of course they were UFO's. They were apparently flying, and obviously unidentified. Anything you see in the sky that you can't put a name to is an Unidentified Flying Object.


Posted by Floorfiller on May-12-2004 16:47:

a quick probability lesson...

lets assume that we are the only planet with life in a galaxy of 100,000,000 stars

1/100,000,000 = .000000001

now if there are a 1,000,000,000 galaxies in a star system

.000000001 x 1,000,000,000 = 10

now if there are a 1,000,000,000 star systems in our universe

10 x 1,000,000,000 = 10,000,000,000

possible places with life on them.



ok ok the numbers are stupid, but that was just to make a point...i had a astronomy class once where my professor explained something like that and it sounded a lot better hehehe...i forget all of the levels too, so perhaps someone a little better in astronomy can explain...


Posted by ShadoWolf on May-12-2004 16:50:

CNN has picked up the story:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/ameri...s.ap/index.html


Posted by Mako on May-12-2004 16:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
a quick probability lesson...

lets assume that we are the only planet with life in a galaxy of 100,000,000 stars

1/100,000,000 = .000000001

now if there are a 1,000,000,000 galaxies in a star system

.000000001 x 1,000,000,000 = 10

now if there are a 1,000,000,000 star systems in our universe

10 x 1,000,000,000 = 10,000,000,000

possible places with life on them.



ok ok the numbers are stupid, but that was just to make a point...i had a astronomy class once where my professor explained something like that and it sounded a lot better hehehe...i forget all of the levels too, so perhaps someone a little better in astronomy can explain...


Well I forgot the math part to it, but yeah the probability that there is life on other planets, is quite good. So yes there is life beyond this planet (reminds me of tiesto for some reason) but I just can't help but be skeptical about that mexico incident.


Posted by Omegasox on May-12-2004 17:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller


You skipped the most important part of it. The chance that a world will be suitable for life to evolve on it. Which is fairly stupid, because we're assuming life can only develop based on our composition and environment. They only consider carbon-based life forms.


Posted by Floorfiller on May-12-2004 17:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Omegasox
You skipped the most important part of it. The chance that a world will be suitable for life to evolve on it. Which is fairly stupid, because we're assuming life can only develop based on our composition and environment. They only consider carbon-based life forms.


true...like i said i just threw that up quick to make a point hehehe...please feel free to make a better version..


Posted by Radagast on May-12-2004 17:25:

http://www.astro-tom.com/technical_data/alien_life.htm

No need to make up anything. It's all right there. The equation is a little ways down.


Posted by Tranc3 on May-12-2004 17:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
a quick probability lesson...

lets assume that we are the only planet with life in a galaxy of 100,000,000 stars

1/100,000,000 = .000000001

now if there are a 1,000,000,000 galaxies in a star system

.000000001 x 1,000,000,000 = 10

now if there are a 1,000,000,000 star systems in our universe

10 x 1,000,000,000 = 10,000,000,000

possible places with life on them.



ok ok the numbers are stupid, but that was just to make a point...i had a astronomy class once where my professor explained something like that and it sounded a lot better hehehe...i forget all of the levels too, so perhaps someone a little better in astronomy can explain...


As I said before, that's called Carl Sagan's 1% rule, except he did it better


Posted by Floorfiller on May-12-2004 17:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Tranc3
As I said before, that's called Carl Sagan's 1% rule, except he did it better


oh did you say that...i didn't read the last couple of pages ehehehe...and there is NO WAY Carl Sagan explained that better than me


Posted by atlearmeen on May-12-2004 17:55:

I'm from Texas, and a ailien just had sex with me!!

Hey dbb, it's somthing wrong with the reciver!!!


Posted by Boomer187 on May-12-2004 18:04:

There is a great chance there is life out there. But then calculate the chances of them a, getting here....remember when calculating these probabilities of life it includes everything, even the places we can't see....b, that when they got here, they are hidding someplace....where the hell did they pick tent at?



again, I point to my theory of fear of the unknown, parsimony is on my side :P, it is much easier to make the illusion of aliens and fast spaceships than to actually have them.


Posted by PETRAN on May-12-2004 18:10:

So, the time is arriving, the draconians and their scionistic soldiers have already started to show their face. People fear not, the "epsilon eleusis" from andromeda is approaching as well , the ancient promise will be kept...


Posted by Tranc3 on May-12-2004 18:11:

Crap I can't find it right now...I'll try to do it from memory as best I can. Only thing is, I don't remember his starting number, but I remember his finishing number...I think

100,000,000,000 galaxies in the universe. Let's say 1% of the galaxies have solar systems.

1,000,000,000 solar systems. Let's say 1% of these have planets capable of supporting life.

10,000,000 Planets capable of supporting life. Let's say 1% of these planets actually DO support life.

100,000 Planets with life. Let's say 1% of these planets are actually useful to our UFO purposes and support intelligent life.

1,000 Planets with intelligent life on them.

According to this model, we are left with 1000 planets in the universe that have intelligent life on them. Of course, what's to say it's 1% all the way down the chain?


That was the gist of his argument. I might not have gotten it perfectly because I did it from memory - all I remembered were the last 2 steps, the 1% thing, and the final number...so I just worked backwards.


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