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Posted by trunks1022 on May-13-2004 16:50:

quote:
Originally posted by vtec junkie
I agree and disagree. What those troops did to those inmates was wrong and they will be punished for what they did. But Nick Berg was no criminal....he was only there to help. But your prob right Steven.....if those inmates were treated right.....this would never of happend. But then again, what if 9/11 never happend.


which then leads to all these other questions like... what about us helping the afghans in the mid 80s, or what about us being there for the first gulf war... what if those never happened?


Posted by steven neil on May-13-2004 17:04:

quote:
Originally posted by vtec junkie
I agree and disagree. What those troops did to those inmates was wrong and they will be punished for what they did. But Nick Berg was no criminal....he was only there to help. But your prob right Steven.....if those inmates were treated right.....this would never of happend. But then again, what if 9/11 never happend.


mate,,i feel so frustrated..feels like i'm sat on my arse doing fuck all and watching the world fall apart...i feel so fucking angry after seeing that poor guy on the news...death to all muslims is how i feel at the moment and carpet bomb Iraq,,,fuck 'em


Posted by vtec junkie on May-13-2004 17:42:

quote:
Originally posted by steven neil
mate,,i feel so frustrated..feels like i'm sat on my arse doing fuck all and watching the world fall apart...i feel so fucking angry after seeing that poor guy on the news...death to all muslims is how i feel at the moment and carpet bomb Iraq,,,fuck 'em


+1 yesterday was horrible.....I cant stress how pissed I was.....and to know that you cant do anything about what happend in the past truly sucks. My best friend is in iraq gaurding a prison camp and when I heard all about this shit on the news, my stomach dropped. But hes not at the same prison camp so that was a relief. I just cant wait to vote....thats all im sayin.


Posted by The Peach on May-13-2004 18:56:

i wouldn't make generalized statements about people in the military being dumb fucks because for the most part they are basically kids. i don't excuse what the soldiers did to those prisoners; i think it is sick. however, we can't lose perspective. our soldiers demeaned, humiliated, and abused humans, but they chop off heads. there is something inherently fucked up with most of the militant muslim societies. so back to our soldiers, and letting your kid join the military. aside from this war, the military can be a very positive thing. some people graduate high school and aren't ready or can't afford college but who still have higher aspirations than your mcdonald's clerk. the military pays for their college, allows them to travel, and teaches them a trade/skill. the only cost is well, in a sense, your life...or at least how ever many years you want to give them. the military doesn't however really boil down to the members, it comes down to the leadership. if the military does something wrong you can bet it really comes down to a problem somewhere at the top.

-peachy

i was tempted to look at the video. i dunno why, perhaps it's like not being able to look away from an accident. but, i knew it was of nothing i wanted or needed to see. it was all my stomach could handle just thinking about it.


Posted by steven neil on May-13-2004 22:30:

this planet is fucked,,things are gonna get worse now...going into iraq was a fucking big mistake and the everyday normal person knew it....it beats the shit out of me that Blair and Bush didnt....these fucking muppets have fucked up yours and my lives up forever..


Posted by DR86 on May-13-2004 22:33:

quote:
Originally posted by vtec junkie
But then again, what if 9/11 never happend.


Bush would still have invaded Iraq. Do not be mislead by his propaganda.

And to the person who said that Iraq should have just been made a parking lot a few months ago (PVD_S something something) it's people like who who ought to be thrown in jail and raped and tortured. It's people like you who are the cause of wars and its people liek you who should be eliminated from the gene pool so that MY kids won't have to suffer and the leadership of a person like YOU.


Posted by steven neil on May-13-2004 22:47:

i dont know how this whole story is getting portrayed back in the UK but it cant be good,,my parents are actually scared about me being in America....


Posted by DR86 on May-13-2004 22:50:

quote:
Originally posted by steven neil
i dont know how this whole story is getting portrayed back in the UK but it cant be good,,my parents are actually scared about me being in America....


yes, i can understand their feelings. the US is making a lot of enemies these days.


Posted by AddictedTo1982 on May-13-2004 22:51:

Did Blair not fuckin read what Winston Churchill said in 1924 "I hate Iraq I wish I never wasted time and money invading it" I guess most you people didn't know that the British did invade Iraq 80 years ago. Seems wierd that it happen again. Mr.Churchill got nothing out it. THe Bush Adminstration is really fucked. I mean they want something good out of Iraq but its just not gonna happen. Sure it was easy going into Iraq but leaving is gonna be a tough one.


Posted by steven neil on May-13-2004 23:09:

quote:
Originally posted by AddictedTo1982
Did Blair not fuckin read what Winston Churchill said in 1924 "I hate Iraq I wish I never wasted time and money invading it" I guess most you people didn't know that the British did invade Iraq 80 years ago. Seems wierd that it happen again. Mr.Churchill got nothing out it. THe Bush Adminstration is really fucked. I mean they want something good out of Iraq but its just not gonna happen. Sure it was easy going into Iraq but leaving is gonna be a tough one.


mate,,i never even knew that....its a backward nation,,the whole of the middle east is fucked up,, they cant get their heads round the concept of living in peace.......i wanna see all the world leaders have a bit of a get together,, cane a few pills and chill the fuck out...flood the middle east with reasonably priced ecstacy,,get the arab world mashed and loved up on pills....


Posted by AddictedTo1982 on May-13-2004 23:14:

Yeap back then when The British own so much Land


Well Bro Israel is a start already, they had Tiesto and others hehe


Posted by steven neil on May-13-2004 23:24:

quote:
Originally posted by AddictedTo1982
Yeap back then when The British own so much Land


Well Bro Israel is a start already, they had Tiesto and others hehe


my whole attitude towards life changed when i done my first pill,,,i used to be a right horrible nasty little bastard,,,,during the vietnam war the Americans used to drop BZ (brain zapping) bombs on the viet cong..these BZ bombs were loaded with LSD and they wouldnt kill anyone...it just chilled out the enemy and then special squads were sent in to kill the fucked up gooks.....mental...


Posted by Stassi on May-13-2004 23:30:

Re: American Beheaded in Iraq

quote:
Originally posted by vtec junkie
How many of you seen this on the news or the paper??? Islamic militants beheaded an American who was seeking work in Iraq. They filmed it, and its been all over the internet. They said it was in retaliation for the mistreatment of Iraqi detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison. The man was identified as Nick Berg.....he was 26 and from the Philly area. Im really getting sick of picking up the paper everyday and reading about more and more troops and Americans dieing over there. I couldn't even eat lunch today after reading this shit. The United States has offered $10 million for imformation leading to the capture or killing of Ahmad Fadhill al Khalayleh....the man that killed Berg. Im to the point where im about to go over there and kill this fuck myself......whos down with me???......I know vlad has my back.

oh and on a personal note: screw bush

10 million?????
whos out to be a bounty hunter with me?
cowboy bebop style.


Posted by DR86 on May-14-2004 00:15:

quote:
Originally posted by steven neil
mate,,i never even knew that....its a backward nation,,the whole of the middle east is fucked up,, they cant get their heads round the concept of living in peace.......i wanna see all the world leaders have a bit of a get together,, cane a few pills and chill the fuck out...flood the middle east with reasonably priced ecstacy,,get the arab world mashed and loved up on pills....


hahahaa...oh steven, you're funny. I agree, i'd love to see qadafi and all those other ******s get hammered.


Posted by vtec junkie on May-14-2004 02:05:

quote:
Originally posted by steven neil
mate,,i never even knew that....its a backward nation,,the whole of the middle east is fucked up,, they cant get their heads round the concept of living in peace.......i wanna see all the world leaders have a bit of a get together,, cane a few pills and chill the fuck out...flood the middle east with reasonably priced ecstacy,,get the arab world mashed and loved up on pills....



Posted by PVD_S11DJ on May-14-2004 05:08:

quote:
Originally posted by steven neil
i dont know how this whole story is getting portrayed back in the UK but it cant be good,,my parents are actually scared about me being in America....


so are we, feel free to leave as soon as possible...


Posted by PVD_S11DJ on May-14-2004 05:15:

quote:
Originally posted by steven neil
The way those American troops treated them prisoners is sick, but having worked alongside american soldiers on several occasions it doesnt surprise me,,they really are mostly a bunch of dumb uneducated,undisciplined fucks....For every action there has to be a reaction, and America certainly got it,,sick fucking bastards, I really hope that the people who were responsible for this are caught and dealt with severely,,but i'm sorry,,those American MP's are just as responible for that guy's death.....


please tell me this is sarcasm...


Posted by steven neil on May-14-2004 05:17:

quote:
Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ
please tell me this is sarcasm...


no,,its my honest opinion...


Posted by PVD_S11DJ on May-14-2004 05:27:

quote:
Originally posted by steven neil
The way those American troops treated them prisoners is sick, but having worked alongside american soldiers on several occasions it doesnt surprise me,,they really are mostly a bunch of dumb uneducated,undisciplined fucks....For every action there has to be a reaction, and America certainly got it,,sick fucking bastards, I really hope that the people who were responsible for this are caught and dealt with severely,,but i'm sorry,,those American MP's are just as responible for that guy's death.....


umm the only people reponsible for that guys death are the sick human beings who did it. equating putting underear on someones head and chopping off somones head is totally rediculous, so please dont go down that road. and calling our entire miliary a bunch of dumb uneducated undisciplined fucks? youre judging an army of several hundered thousand on the actions of a handful of soldiers? sorry to break it to ya bud, but your own lame british comrades were partaking in the same activites.


Posted by GUBostonDubs on May-14-2004 05:30:

I dont think its fair to categorize all Americans by the actions of some sick fucked up people.There is always going to be envy of the United States so when anything happends there it is blown up beyond belief.How many times has the United States stepped in to help other countries where injustices are occuring?How many times do other countries torture our prisoners and have it broadcasted on Al Jazeer Tv.I also recall people in the streets of Palestine celebrating after thousands of innocent people died on 911.I agree that those U.S. soldiers did some downright sick things and totally are a disgrace to this country but that isn't what this country stands for.You totally have a right to express your honest opinion but if you and your family don't feel comfortable with you living in this country I think that is going a bit too far.

You live and work in the United States at the moment.You are taking advantage of the country that has many freedoms so don't bite the hand that feeds you.


Posted by PVD_S11DJ on May-14-2004 05:32:

yeah i agree, the whole "i hate the USA and its military/what it stands for, but i happen to enjoy living here and reaping its benefits" thing gets a little old after a while. i think its time for a one way ticket back to Heathrow...


Posted by nchs09 on May-14-2004 05:43:

Re: American Beheaded in Iraq

quote:
Originally posted by vtec junkie

oh and on a personal note: screw bush
im not about to read the whole topic... but i agree with ur personal note vtec

btw good luck and have fun in atlanta


Posted by GUBostonDubs on May-14-2004 05:54:

quote:
Originally posted by limin_li
Brian: I agree with you brother. I believe this country is in terrible mess. I did see the uncut video from a site which I am not going to talk about. It seems like Muslims love to do throat cut videos for propaganda. If you remember what happened to Daniel Pearl in 2002, and how he died. You know exactly what I am talking about. The truth is, we are the original killers. If we didn't go to war with Iraq, non of this shit you seen on TV will be happening. If this was Clinton, he would of talk to Sadam Hussian. In fact, he almost made a stable friendship with Iran. Further more, Clinton was going to build a new building for North Korea to ease the nuclear power over there.


Your comments below

Limin


After reading more of this thread I stumbled onto this post and I must say you are totally wrong.You are of the "This is all George Bush's fault mentality".Saddam Hussein was the King of stalling and dancing around policies the UN established not just the United States.The Gulf War was over since 1991 and Saddam had over 10 years to comply with UN regulations.Bush actually had the guts to say fuck the UN and actually hold Saddam accountable for not complying with International Law.Let me be clear in saying that I am not a George Bush advocate myself.Clinton was not doing shit about anything.His charisma landed him blowjobs in the oval office but he really was not strong at all in dealing with Saddam Hussein.Clinton actually had several small campaigns against iraq for not complying with UN resolutions but they basicly pin pricks and Saddam just sat in his Presidential palaces and laughed at us.Also North Korea was building up its nuclear capabilities behind Clinton's back anyways.More importantly,the Clinton administration did basicly nothing against Al Kaieda after the two Embassy bombings that killed Hundreds of U.S. Citizens and the fact that Al Kaieda was building up its capabilities and became an outspoken opponent of the United States.Clinton wouldn't have done shit.


Posted by PVD_S11DJ on May-14-2004 06:07:

ah finally someone in this room with a brain...

*applause*


Posted by PVD_S11DJ on May-14-2004 06:11:

quote:
Originally posted by steven neil
mate,,i never even knew that....its a backward nation,,the whole of the middle east is fucked up,, they cant get their heads round the concept of living in peace.......i wanna see all the world leaders have a bit of a get together,, cane a few pills and chill the fuck out...flood the middle east with reasonably priced ecstacy,,get the arab world mashed and loved up on pills....


this must explain your mindless uneducated banter...


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