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Originally posted by StereoPrincess you have been greatly mislead. Our art and music and literature is nowhere near levels of other countries. And I'm not talking USA here but legitimate art communities.

I totally agree...all this praising and celebration of culture is a bunch of BS...all you need to do is to travel to other countries, primarily in Europe and see how far behind we really are.

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Originally posted by Nephilim_X I'm not saying our art/music/literature/film output is anywhere near the level of another nations. I'm saying that the fact that we're so damned diverse is praised.

This brings us back to the discussion of are we actually diverse or culturaly devidied...
Besides if you ask me, it seems like we are praising ourselves about that and noone else really cares.

Kind of like...you do something, and then you keep praising yourself for it...

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Originally posted by Nephilim_X Precisely whats wrong with having a strong work ethic?

And what's wrong with not thinking about money all the time and actually thinking on how to help make the world better?

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Originally posted by starsearcher I totally agree...all this praising and celebration of culture is a bunch of BS...all you need to do is to travel to other countries, primarily in Europe and see how far behind we really are.

Yeah but most European countries have several centuries of development behind them which took place prior to the world "opening up" culturally (that is, before cultures began to intermingle freely and openly). Canada meanwhile ended up becoming a cultural mosiac.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess And what's wrong with not thinking about money all the time and actually thinking on how to help make the world better?

Nothing at all is wrong with not being obsessed with money, but you didn't answer my question as to why a strong work ethic is bad. Besides some of us with strong work ethics aren't "money grubbers", we're just trying to make our way in life and understand that some effort is needed to do that.

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Originally posted by Nephilim_X Yeah but most European countries have several centuries of development behind them which took place prior to the world "opening up" culturally (that is, before cultures began to intermingle freely and openly). Canada meanwhile ended up becoming a cultural mosiac.

Canada has a very diverse history from which culture is could stem from but it seems not there are too many people here that think of only money to develop them.

You are just repeating what the government is telling you. To anyone else in the world, Canada is Canada. No one gives a shit how many different "cultures" are here. No one else even knows.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess And what's wrong with not thinking about money all the time and actually thinking on how to help make the world better?

I think the problem with that statement is the false idea that you can actually, and in a smiple way "make the world a better place". And the problem is that it's really not that simple and it's not realistic either...
It's more often than not seems like "the strongest man survives" and there's a lot of cut throat competition -- you want success you gotta work. Bottom line is that everyone wants something DIFFERENT and you can't keep blaming one or the other

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Originally posted by Nephilim_X Nothing at all is wrong with not being obsessed with money, but you didn't answer my question as to why a strong work ethic is bad. Besides some of us with strong work ethics aren't "money grubbers", we're just trying to make our way in life and understand that some effort is needed to do that.

you changed the definition of what i said to strong work ethic not i. obviously there is a difference between money grubbing and strong work ethic. i was talking about one and you changed it to something else so i assumed we were talking about the same thing. sorry, if i didn't follow.

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Originally posted by starsearcher I think the problem with that statement is the false idea that you can actually, and in a smiple way "make the world a better place". And the problem is that it's really not that simple and it's not realistic either... It's more often than not seems like "the strongest man survives" and there's a lot of cut throat competition -- you want success you gotta work. Bottom line is that everyone wants something DIFFERENT and you can't keep blaming one or the other

but is it not simple to follow some rules as to how you live your life? i think that with my education and my future plans i will make the world a better place. even if it is on a small scale.

I can't be the only optimist in this world.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess You are just repeating what the government is telling you.

Uh oh, I've become a pawn of "The Man"! So do tell, what do YOU think Canada's culture should be? Should we adopt the culture of the natives? Or perhaps the Brits? Maybe the French. Oh, wait, then theres the Irish here too. Oh hell, I forgot, we've got an assload of Chinese and Polish too, along with many other cultures.

Canada is what I like to call a "port" due to all the various cultures moving in and because of this, there is no inherent defining culture.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess you changed the definition of what i said to strong work ethic not i. obviously there is a difference between money grubbing and strong work ethic. i was talking about one and you changed it to something else so i assumed we were talking about the same thing. sorry, if i didn't follow.

Ok, lets look at this again then.

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Do you really want Canada to be full of money grabbing workaholics

How is a budget cut to "artists" going to turn all of Canada into Super-Evil-Scrooge-McDuck-Clones?

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess but is it not simple to follow some rules as to how you live your life? i think that with my education and my future plans i will make the world a better place. even if it is on a small scale. I can't be the only optimist in this world.

Okay well no that's perfectly fine, I think we can all do that...what I thought you meant is that you want to become kinda like a hippie, live in a shack, screw money let's save the world kinda thing. Heheheh...but of course we can all do that the way you put it...however I would say that I am ready to work long AND hard to achieve certain financial and personal goals I've placed on myself, and those are pretty high up there!

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Originally posted by Nephilim_X Canada is what I like to call a "port" due to all the various cultures moving in and because of this, there is no inherent defining culture.

don't worry little canada, one day you will be a country too. all on your own.

trust me. this excuse is being used way too much. be proud of being canadian not a mixture of other cultures. i think canada has been independent for quite some time to not use this excuse anymore.

and yeah for the way you see Canada you have become a pawn of the man. trust me. ask any of the members of TA not from Canada and they will not tell you that Canada is a multicultural mosaic. That is what Canadians are taught in school. And the US is a melting pot blah blah blah. We all got the same education.

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ask any of the members of TA not from Canada and they will not tell you that Canada is a multicultural mosaic. That is what Canadians are taught in school. And the US is a melting pot blah blah blah. We all got the same education.

Very true...I do remember that little brainwashing in school how we are all a cultural mosaic and US is a melting pot hehehe...that's pretty funny that you've mentioned that. It's not really true of course that we are a mosaic but still...

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess don't worry little canada, one day you will be a country too. all on your own. trust me. this excuse is being used way too much. be proud of being canadian not a mixture of other cultures. i think canada has been independent for quite some time to not use this excuse anymore. and yeah for the way you see Canada you have become a pawn of the man. trust me. ask any of the members of TA not from Canada and they will not tell you that Canada is a multicultural mosaic. That is what Canadians are taught in school. And the US is a melting pot blah blah blah. We all got the same education.

Well, my experience certainly hasn't run contrary to the mosaic theory. When I (a caucasian male), an Indian male, a Korean male, one woman from France and another with roots in Spain go to an Irish pub and sing American 80's Hair Rock and Reggae for karaoke night, it certainly feels like a mosaic (and I'm drawing from a real experience here).

C'mon guys, we all know our true binding Canadian culture is the natinal pastime of hating the American Government!!

It's nice living in the best part of North America.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck C'mon guys, we all know our true binding Canadian culture is the natinal pastime of hating the American Government!! It's nice living in the best part of North America.

You win.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck C'mon guys, we all know our true binding Canadian culture is the natinal pastime of hating the American Government!! It's nice living in the best part of North America.

Lol you just did it...

Although sorry guys...doesn't look like i am going to agree with you..planning to move down there in a couple of years

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess don't worry little canada, one day you will be a country too. all on your own. trust me. this excuse is being used way too much. be proud of being canadian not a mixture of other cultures. i think canada has been independent for quite some time to not use this excuse anymore. and yeah for the way you see Canada you have become a pawn of the man. trust me. ask any of the members of TA not from Canada and they will not tell you that Canada is a multicultural mosaic. That is what Canadians are taught in school. And the US is a melting pot blah blah blah. We all got the same education.

well lets see...i was born in india, moved here, was educated here. go back to india for visits. Toronto IS the most multiculutral city in the world. People in other countries(i say india, cause i have experience there) highly respect canada's diversity and culture. You wouldnt believe the amount of upperclass educated people who would like to move here because of such things.

Any other place in the world where you bring together many other races/clutures/religions you have conflict, wheather it be racism in southern states of the US, the entire middle east, or eastern europe. Canada is admired for its diversity and ablility to be at peace, its that simple.

OK FIRST:

It does not matter what my financial background, job, or any other aspect of my demographic is. My view is just as valid or invalid as the next person's.

Second: There are many ways we can cut BS waste. I dont think the government should be funding guys who spray their own blood on the wall and call it art. Or donkeys made of meat etc etc when there are real problems to be dealt with.

Homelessness: We do nothing but allow people to be homeless. Shelters, handouts, and blankets should be a temporary measure and not a permanant solution. We should be getting these people off the streets. Bring back vagrancy laws and anti panhandling laws and enforce them.

Health Care: Obviously it isnt working the way it is now. Mcguinty is about the throw good money after bad. We need reform and NOT more money. There is nothing wrong with public/private partnerships that save money as long as people are still offered universally accessable health care.

Again i will reitterate that its time for a general strike to protest the fact that mcguinty out and out LIED to us. He said NO TO RAISING TAXES AND NO DEFICIT. Guess what he's done today? He needs to be charged with fraud..

Ontario voted to choose change. I say we make the choice clear for them....

http://www.ontariobudget.fin.gov.on.ca/

You can listen to the budget be delivered in 5 minutes live from that link.

Just a question:

Do you believe McGuinty knew the financial state of the province before hand, and still consciously made promises which he knew would win him the election? (Lie)

Do you believe McGuinty made those promises in the hopes that he could implement them while in office if he was elected? But, after learning the fanancial position changed his game plan, and had to go against his promises? (not a lie)

A lie is only a lie if he consciously knew he would not uphold his promises but said them anyways.

What if the guy just got it wrong? What if he thought he could do it all, but now realises he cant? Would he not deserve some credit for proposing ideas which people would not like but may be neccessary?

By no means am i a mcguinty supporter, im just trying to show there are a few different ways to look at this

I have a friend who worked a hotel where they were having a liberal conference 2 days before the election. She says They were already talking about how they were going to lift the cap on electricity rates and this was BEFORE THE ELECTION!!! So they were already planning on breaking that promise before they got elected. This leads me to believe that they were deceitful in almost every aspect of their platform.

Also, blaming the previous government for breaking promises is the oldest trick in the book. The Fiberals have just taken it to new heights.

No I still think he lied to get to the office - nice pay I hear too

As leader of the official opposition, he constantly decried the Tories spending and claimed the books where way out of whack, so for him to claim they didn't know they were this screwed is a bunch of bullshit.

The NDP really screwed things up, then the Tories came in hacking and slashing away @ our provinces infrastructure so they could have something to point to that would back up their claims of savings and a balanced budget. (which we all now know was a bunch of BS too)

So if the Fiberals claimed all those years that the math doesn't add up under the Tories, how can they claim the mess they inheirited is news?

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