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I don't live in Toronto but I just HAD to get my two cents in.

I live in Kitchener-Waterloo, about an hour and a half drive from Toronto. And if any of you weren't aware, we have had a smoking ban for the last couple of years.

No businesses are failing because of it, and in fact one of my friends who owns a bar here in town says not much has really changed, negatively or positively. Sure the first couple of weeks were a little rough getting used to, but once that subsided, all of our clubs and bars thrived.

I have been to clubs and bars here, and love being able to relax without my lungs hurting. When I went to Toronto a month ago, I could hardly breathe. It was awful.

I find that when I am in a very smokey environment, I have trouble seeing, breathing, and I begin to sneeze (allergies to cigarette smoke.) Is that really fair to me? I didn't choose to smoke, but I am getting the side-effects. So what? Should I be forced to stay home because people who have a problem can't be curteous enough to do it outside?

I think smokers are selfish and rude. You rob the non-smokers of their clean air, their right to breathe safely, so that you can get your fix! Just because you have an addiction, a problem, does not give you the right to effect other people who don't. Is it that fucking hard to go outside? I mean, how lazy are you? Maybe it is too hard for you to make it outside because you're too busy wheezing from your emphasima, which you can keep by the way.

This isn't the government trying to control us, it is the government giving us non-smokers our legal right to breathe safely back.

Seriously, stop the whining, and go outside!

P.S. All the places who don't have a designated outside smoking area will just have to make one. Places like the guvernment deffinitely can afford to add a balcony or something. It isn't like they will go bankrupt over some renovations.

P.S.S. Don't even try the "you are a non-smoker so you don't know what it's like for us smokers blah blah blah" bullshit. I smoked for 5 years, and I quit because my health got so bad from it, I could barely breathe. I was rushed to the hospital one evening to be hooked up on oxygen. My own fault, but I chose to stop.

My family has a history of cancer and breathing problems. My grandfather passed away from lung cancer just 2 years ago, and he had emphasima, and asthma on top of it. I have a high chance of getting the same thing, and I would prefer that those of you who don't seem to give a shit if you get ill, don't try to get me sick too!

I dont smoke but this is going to make a lot of paycheques look sick...


PS lets ask the owners of lulu's and metropolis why they closed their doors.

I specifically remember the lulu's guy going on the radio and pointing the finger to the bylaw.

IMO clubs in Kitchener have been replaced with bars and smaller clubs. The same will happen in Toronto especially if they ban smoking rooms (which is the next step on the zealots' hit list)

If I remember correctly Metropolis went out of business before the smoking ban was put in place, and did you ever go to LuLu's?

It was a dive, the place was getting poor business in the first place. Not to mention the fact that it was so outside of the mainstream district of clubs and bars.

Why would the government try to sabatoge the clubs and bars? They make so much money from the alcohol sales, and taxes from these operations, it just doesn't make sense.

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Originally posted by Theresa P.S. All the places who don't have a designated outside smoking area will just have to make one. Places like the guvernment deffinitely can afford to add a balcony or something. It isn't like they will go bankrupt over some renovations.

Because it's so nice in winter that we are going to LOVE going to balconies to smoke

Because theyd rather make money from condos and industry.

The government would love it if bars closed. Especially clubs.

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Originally posted by Theresa I don't live in Toronto but I just HAD to get my two cents in. I live in Kitchener-Waterloo, about an hour and a half drive from Toronto. And if any of you weren't aware, we have had a smoking ban for the last couple of years. No businesses are failing because of it, and in fact one of my friends who owns a bar here in town says not much has really changed, negatively or positively. Sure the first couple of weeks were a little rough getting used to, but once that subsided, all of our clubs and bars thrived. I have been to clubs and bars here, and love being able to relax without my lungs hurting. When I went to Toronto a month ago, I could hardly breathe. It was awful. I find that when I am in a very smokey environment, I have trouble seeing, breathing, and I begin to sneeze (allergies to cigarette smoke.) Is that really fair to me? I didn't choose to smoke, but I am getting the side-effects. So what? Should I be forced to stay home because people who have a problem can't be curteous enough to do it outside? I think smokers are selfish and rude. You rob the non-smokers of their clean air, their right to breathe safely, so that you can get your fix! Just because you have an addiction, a problem, does not give you the right to effect other people who don't. Is it that fucking hard to go outside? I mean, how lazy are you? Maybe it is too hard for you to make it outside because you're too busy wheezing from your emphasima, which you can keep by the way. This isn't the government trying to control us, it is the government giving us non-smokers our legal right to breathe safely back. Seriously, stop the whining, and go outside! P.S. All the places who don't have a designated outside smoking area will just have to make one. Places like the guvernment deffinitely can afford to add a balcony or something. It isn't like they will go bankrupt over some renovations. P.S.S. Don't even try the "you are a non-smoker so you don't know what it's like for us smokers blah blah blah" bullshit. I smoked for 5 years, and I quit because my health got so bad from it, I could barely breathe. I was rushed to the hospital one evening to be hooked up on oxygen. My own fault, but I chose to stop. My family has a history of cancer and breathing problems. My grandfather passed away from lung cancer just 2 years ago, and he had emphasima, and asthma on top of it. I have a high chance of getting the same thing, and I would prefer that those of you who don't seem to give a shit if you get ill, don't try to get me sick too!

Hi all non smokers, I know you all like to live in this "eternal life fantasy" that the rest of us smokers do not live in, but guess what, we all know something you might not know.....YOUR ALL GOING TO FUCKIN DIE ONE DAY. Yep, thats right, even you health freaks out there. The truth is, if you dont smoke on a regular basis that my cigarette smoke for one night will not kill you from cancer (gasps in shock). The stats have always been misconcieved, and the percentage of you dying from my cigarette is very low and comparison to the many other ways you can and will die from in this country. So quit the fuckin bitching about me killing you with my cigarette, you ever notice its always those pretenious uptight yippie go-getters, the ones you want to shoot with a sawed off barrel shotgun in the mall that always scream this bullshit of "death".

Now onto the the girl who I am quoting from...

Oh cry me a fuckin river you geriatric drama queen, you know what, you put smoke on people for five years, and now since you all of a sudden stopped, its your right to impose your right to live on me? Like I give a shit about your life, or the other losers here who cry about smoke, quite frankly, I hope it kills you, so that your incessant whining can come to a bitter end. You have every right to breath? no you have every right to kiss my ass and that's it.

You know what pisses me off about this law, is that they made sure that smokers are not allowed to have smoking rooms as well. So now, because I have to pretend to care about someone else's pathetic exsistance, I have to go outside and freeze my ass off during the winter? You know there is a middle ground that could of been reached in all this between smokers and non smokers. But for a complete BAN inside all bars, thats sound and smells like bullshit to me.

You know what? I dont even care about the smoking part, what I care about is that some health freak is preventing me from doing something I make a choice to do, and when I hear someone telling me im endangering their life with second hand smoke, ill tell them theyre gonna find a shit load more danger from me in three seconds if they dont fuckin get outta my face. There are millions of jobs in this city, and because not even a percent of those jobs dont like smoke in the work place, I have to stop? theres some more bullshit...Why cant there be smoking nights or a smoking designated floor? nope...NO SMOKING FOR ALL BARS.

And No, the clubbing industry will not suffer from this, people will learn and cope with it, and move on. Life will continue, and we will all smell better in the morning...end rant.

You can take away my smoke, but you'll never take away MY FREEDOM!

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but you'll never take away MY FREEDOM!

Yes they can. And they are doing it more and more because the sheep are just rolling over and letting it happen.

Just ask the club owners and pesticide companies how much freedom we have. Oh and i see tanning beds are the next target..

Someone please stop the nanny state because its out of control...

Think about this too:

In Canada Men can marry men, women are allowed to go topless, marijuana is almost legal, and we are the most progressive country when it comes to equal rights..

meanwhile the average joe is not allowed to have a smoke with dinner at a restaurant or crack open a beer on a hot summer day at the park or the beach.

We are either a socially liberal country or we aren't. Im sick of common rights being violated in the name of special interest whiners.

Did you see the anti-smoking people toasting the end of smoking in clubs and bars? Not one under 45 id say.. As if these people ever attend the venues they are restricting.

you know what kills me, is that if you want to get to the core of it all, you would ban serving alcohol inside bars, and stop smoking outside to make people really stop drinkin and smoking...

They are working on banning smoking on patios in Toronto as we speak. And they have already banned all outdoor smoking on some school campuses in Canada and the US.

This is why im against ANY new laws. Because the zealots will just push for more and more.

Which schools and ages of these schools are having laws permitted against them? I doubt the outdoor smoking ban will ever succeed in the near time future.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Because theyd rather make money from condos and industry. The government would love it if bars closed. Especially clubs.

That's just idiotic...they make a fortune in tax revenue from bars and clubs...not to mention the benefits to other sectors of the economy like public transportation, taxis, hotels, restaurants, stores, etc. Not everyone that parties in Toronto, for example, lives here.

I just read an article on this issue and they interviewed a Toronto bar owner who used to have a bar/restaurant in NYC...he said the smoking ban did not destroy his business...there was a short adjustment period. Other small clubs here have been non-smoking for years and are still packed on the weekend...people will adapt.

Face it...this is less an economic argument than a "freedom to smoke wherever I want" argument from smokers, which is ludicrous. I can't drink or have sex, both legal activities, wherever I want, so why the fuck should people be able to smoke wherever they want???. It's smokers pissing and moaning that they can't light up wherever and whenever they please and bar/club/restaurant owners that don't want to have to modify their business to accomodate the law.

BTW...bars/clubs are NOT responsible for policing/enforcing the non-smoking law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They MUST post signs, they MUST discourage it, they MUST not serve anyone that is not complying with the law...but they don't have to throw anyone out because of it. They don't even HAVE to call the police. This isn't as oppressive on the owners/managers as people are making it out to be.

Cities that have implemented similar non-smoking laws have seen a drop off in smoking overall (judged by cigarette sales declining, I presume) and eventually people get used to it and either don't smoke when they go out or they smoke outside.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 They are working on banning smoking on patios in Toronto as we speak. And they have already banned all outdoor smoking on some school campuses in Canada and the US. This is why im against ANY new laws. Because the zealots will just push for more and more.

you can't smoke on school property, that's nothing new. you are so full of shit.

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Originally posted by Matt you can't smoke on school property, that's nothing new. you are so full of shit.

Hmmm i'm not 100% sure but it doesn't look to me like he was saying it was a new thing...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 This is why im against ANY new laws. Because the zealots will just push for more and more.

yeah, because one day people might...OMG NOT SMOKE

Let me address a few things here

First, the city government would rather have condos and industries. Why? because they dont give a flying fuck about businesses and what occupies business space. To them, whether its a club, a nail salon, or a clothes store they still get the same revenue for property tax. The city however will make a fortune from condo levies, education charges and property taxes with respect to condos. Not to mention all the user fees that they can charge new residents.

In the city's eyes, having places that could potentially disrupt a residential zone is a bad thing. Theyd much rather have lets say a clothing store than a nightclub.

Have you ever tried opening a business like say just a normal restaurant with no alchohol? Well i have and let me tell you that city council will make it as difficult as possible. They dont care how many people you employ, what kinds of sales you do etc. Why? because its the feds and the province that get all that money from sales taxes and income taxes. This is why city councils are the ones that pass all these restrictive laws. Im willing to bet that if city council received part of the sales taxes, or income taxes that were made in their jurisdiction, they would change their anti-bussiness tune quite a bit.

#2 in respect to schools. Im talking about campuses of universities where they have outright banned smoking. You cant even smoke on the football field for example.

#3 my problem with all this banning whether its smoking, tanning beds etc is where does it end? The ban brigade is out of control. Whats next? i can forsee them banning outdoor bbqs and gas powered motors at the rate we are going. Honestly, this is not the Canada i want to live in.

Im for smoking laws to a point. I agree that smoking should not be allowed in most public places such as hospitals, malls, and even most restaurants. However, a nightclub, strip joint, restaurant/bar is a purely OPTIONAL ADULT place. If there should be a smoking law here, it should be that smoking establishments designed for ADULTS display a sign at the front door that declares it a smoking establishment. This gives the ADULT patron the right to decide whether or not he/she wished to enter the establishment.

Nobody is forcing you to go to a club. And if there were truely a demand for non smoking clubs they would exist.

As for the employee arguement. This is complete bullshit. There are plenty of jobs out there. Nobody ever forced me to work for a club. Im a non-smoker who works at a club. Who ever asked me if i wanted to be protected from this? If they had come to me (and many people like me) they would have discovered that we'd rather have job security.

ADULTS should be allowed to make ADULT decisions. Im sick of the government thinking that they know best and constantly trying to save us from ourselves and treating me like im a child who knows nothing.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Hi all non smokers, ............. You can take away my smoke, but you'll never take away MY FREEDOM!

if i ever meet u, drinks on me

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee if i ever meet u, drinks on me

Becareful what you say, I might take you up on that..

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Originally posted by Matt you can't smoke on school property, that's nothing new. you are so full of shit.

he's talking about university/college not HS.

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Originally posted by Matt yeah, because one day people might...OMG NOT SMOKE

i used to smoke. I don't anymore. I realy could care less if i ever had a smoke again, but i don't think ppl should have thier free will taken away from them and not be permitted to smoke outdoors. I have no problem with the smoking ban. I have a sore throat from being in a smoke-filled club friday, my decision to go, but once the ban comes info effect, I will really enjoy not leaving w/ a sore throat and smelly clothes. that is one thing- to ban an activity that clearly afects other ppl going to the club, but banning ppl from smoking anywhere but inside their homes is silly. for one, if parnets smoke and they are only alowed to smoke in their homes and not outside, then they may be smoking w/ their kids in the room..moreover, who wants to livein a country that has that kind of hold on the popu;lation. i mean, yes, t woudl be better if ppl quit smoking. i commend those who quit or never start, however, there are a lot of things that are bad for you-- we make our own decisions on whether we want to do these things- it's good for us, espcially if we take responsiblities for our actions.

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Originally posted by charmscars who wants to live in a country that has that kind of hold on the population.

But thats exactly where this country is headed which is why i am against all these social engienering laws.

This issue isnt about the right to smoke for me. Its about the bigger picture of how much right the government has to enforce its will on people. People who like the non smoking ban will surely be the same ones bitching when they ban BBQs due to emissions. These and many many other issues are very closely related when you see the big picture from where im sitting.

The biggest problem is that as soon as you give in to these zealots and activists they just keep going to the next cause and pushing more and more.

The goal of these zealots is to FORCE everyone to stop smoking. They really dont care about second hand smoke per se and this is just a manipulative tool they use to wedge their point of view into the frey.

I agree that smoking is bad. In a perfect world nobody would smoke and we would have these problems. The problem is that by forcing ADULTS to change their behaviour in this way it opens the door to a whole host of unimaginable possibilities. Just look at the tanning bed example, or the smoking outdoors example. Why we cant drink in public is still beyond me as other countries allow it and all hell has NOT broken loose...

Like i said, we are either a socially progressive nation or we arent. Its time for us to decide.

I think a lot of people are misintrepreting the intentions of the governement.

Because the world is over expanding, we have so many people in such a small area. And in order for us all to live in peace and civility, we need to lay down ground rules so as not to step on others toes (laws and such), possibly causing war, famine, devastation.

We also have created things that are hurting our planet, and leading to the demise of our kind. I think the government is trying to take precautions in order to keep us around a little bit longer.

If you really think about it, if we continue the way we are going now, we will end up poisoning our air so badly, that we will need to wear gas masks all the time. Or we will polute our water to no return, and we all die from thirst, or water contamination. It has already started, so it isn't like I am pulling this out of my ass. Toronto has "smog" warnings for god sakes! What does that tell you?

SOMEONE has to do something to get the rest of us to follow in taking care of what we got and reversing the negative effects. If no action is taken, we are just setting ourselves up for complete distruction.

To the guy who had a spaz out on me:

Perhaps your cigarette in particular may not hurt me, but if you go into a room where about 50 cigarettes are burning, I would say there is a hell of a lot of shit floating around that is gonna cause me some health issues. Yes, I am aware we will all die one day, but personally, I would prefer to die more pleasantly, like of old age, rather than because of some lung cancer eating away at my body.. suffering until I suck in my last breath.

I think you need to see someone die of lung cancer to understand. I watched someone die right in front of me, I watched them cough up blood, I heard them wheeze and grasp for air each time they took a breath, I saw the painkillers and IV's hooked up to them, and worst of all, I saw the sadness in their eyes, because they were going through the most utter hell and pain.

If that's the death you choose, well so be it, but don't take my right away to try and live so that I don't suffer like that.

I have a question for all of you smokers out there. Respectfully, would you go into an old age home/a daycare centre, or better yet, your grandmother/grandfathers or own child's bedroom and smoke a cigarette?

I am sure most of you would probably not, and why? Because you know it isn't good for them. So why is it that those of us who are generally the same age, get ignored and disregarded to being subjected to garbage?

Doesn't make sense to me.

i am a smoker. i enjoy smoking. especially when on some sort of substance.

i have completely changed my viewpoint on this issue.

before i was pissed off and against this legislation, but now i realize, smokers really have no argument. we really don't have a right to poison non smokers. even if the population of non smokers in nightclubs is small, we still don't have a right to poison them.

i'm going to be pissed when the no smoking law gets passed, but at least it will give me one more reason to stop smoking.

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