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Originally posted by PartEgurl I am not going to be at GG, DT, or Armin.

Gah! j/k

What Boa-Redux is saying is disturbingly true. Lets just say that the whole "can't play here again" thing did happen quite recently (not going to name names) and it sucks! It shouldn't happen, a DJ should have the right to play for whoever wants him and (business relationships aside) this shouldn't create controversy. But over the last couple months I've heard rumours and threats fly in equal quantity (from everyone). Lets try and see through some of the BS and please lets wait for the dust to settle. There's no use getting angry over things beyond our control, so just go out there, have fun, give your two cents when appropriate and let the people who work the scene do their thing!

THIS IS about FUN and ENTERTAINMENT remember that!

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Originally posted by Tordan I didn't even know they could get a DJ to sign such a restrictive contract. Isn't that against the law? I have no idea so pardon my ignorance.

It has been called the boa blacklist. Essentially, certain DJs that already play for certain clubs are being told by those certain clubs that if they play boa, they cannot return to that certain club.

Do you wonder why some of this city's top locals have not appeared at boa? Do you think it's all because they don't want to play there or they haven't been asked?

There was a LOT of discussion about it on tribe, if you want to read up I suggest searching on there. (keep in mind that, at that time, it was largely speculation and rumors.)

Although we are all about music, the politics involved are not unlike any other industry. Would you permit an employee to go work for a competitor, then return to work for you? (something to think about - I'm not saying I agree with that logic.)

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Originally posted by Skipper Would you permit an employee to go work for a competitor, then return to work for you? (something to think about - I'm not saying I agree with that logic.)

If the DJ's are considered "Contract Workers" and the employers have them sign Non-Disclosure Agreements because they don't want them to share any industry secrets, then I understand completely ---

but this logic shouldn't really apply to this industry.

DJ's provide entertainment -- the club gets their $$ for that one night the DJ's are performing (through booze and door). This is all elementary; we all know this. But If the owners do not intend on booking this person again within the same amount of time they 'wish' the DJ's to refrain from performing at OTHER venues, then why wouldn't they let them go perform somewhere else? They've already made their $$ from them that night. And if they are a respectable club, i'm pretty sure the DJ's would be glad to come back.

The only reason i could see is that if the club owners are a little insecure about their own venue and they think that a DJ would enjoy spinning somewhere else due to better equipment, vibe, etc. and that they might lose them in the future.

If this is the case, then the owners should really re-think their strategies -- like maybe compete with each other to create the better establishment.

I wouldn't call DJs employees persay, as much as a rock band is an "employee" of whatever venue they're playing at. And if the next time they come to wherever it is they're playing and they pick another venue is that wrong?

if this is true, i'm pretty disgusted with guv. they're pretty much screwing the customer over.

instead of making a better service for the customer through competition, they stifle it by using extortion

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Originally posted by The Highroller if this is true, i'm pretty disgusted with guv. they're pretty much screwing the customer over. instead of making a better service for the customer through competition, they stifle it by using extortion

Bingo!!!! the truth comes out.....BTW you can add System to that list.

why? because they know that Boa has a superior club and sound system, and instead of upgrading their services, they're cutting corners.

they know if there was an even playing field and if they didn't upgrade their service that Boa would quickly take over.

I could expect Guv to pull shit like this, but not System. I have been a supporter of System, and was proud to spend my money there at least twice a month, but this news really disgusts me.

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Originally posted by The Highroller I could expect Guv to pull shit like this, but not System.

the same people that book talent for guv book talent for system on fridays...

so does this mean I shouldn't expect Lawler or Zabiela at Boa anytime soon?

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Originally posted by DigitalMP so does this mean I shouldn't expect Lawler or Zabiela at Boa anytime soon?

If this 'news' is true, then more than likely...


(but who am I to make these assumptions? I know nothing...)

danny tenaglia for me

btw, how can i get tickets for the dt? is it on sale now?

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Originally posted by linear_algebra danny tenaglia for me btw, how can i get tickets for the dt? is it on sale now?

Release Records (on the 500 block of Yonge St. - opposite side of Eaton's)

North America's Upfront Record Store!

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Originally posted by Max Q If the DJ's are considered "Contract Workers" and the employers have them sign Non-Disclosure Agreements because they don't want them to share any industry secrets, then I understand completely --- but this logic shouldn't really apply to this industry.

it doesn't...I think it would be non-competition agreement that would be the issue...if Guv "hired" you as a resident, they could have a non-competition agreement in place.

High level executives (even some front line call centre staffs, *cough*ChaptersOnline*cough*) often have to sign, as a condition of their employment that during their time there, and for a specified time once you leave, you can't work for a competitor.

If a DJ was hired as even a semi-monthly resident, I would think that type of clause in an employment contract could be legal...?

sooooo...when's Deko-ze or Mark Oliver spinning at Boa?

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Originally posted by MarkT If a DJ was hired as even a semi-monthly resident, I would think that type of clause in an employment contract could be legal...?

Yeah.. i could see that too -- a resident is essentially a commitment of the DJ to the venue so in essence they're an employee on contract so non-compete clauses should be valid...


... but definitely NOT for regular/special event booked dj's...

I dont know what Boa-Redux is going on about. Im an employee, i dont deal in politics so i havnt the faintest idea if what he says goes on or not. If it is it further adds to my statement that you are being completely umprofessional. To come on a public board representing your club and start spewing your own brand of politics is rediculous. Even if what you say is true (which i dont know and i personally dont care) its pretty pathetic of you to air it out on a public message board. Imagine if someone bearing a "Guvernment" alias came on here and started flaming your club? All hell would break loose and you know it.

Im not on Guvernment's side nor am i on Boa's side. Im speaking here as a private and objective person when i make these comments.

Do i wish everyone could get along? I sure do. Like i said ive heard good things about Boa and one day i hope to get over there and check it out. In the meantime, if you really want to promote unity in this city you can keep your bashing and your allegations to yourself (or at least off a public forum) and get back to promoting your venue positively.

danny t..i hope its not too packed..

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I dont know what Boa-Redux is going on about. Im an employee, i dont deal in politics so i havnt the faintest idea if what he says goes on or not. If it is it further adds to my statement that you are being completely umprofessional. To come on a public board representing your club and start spewing your own brand of politics is rediculous. Even if what you say is true (which i dont know and i personally dont care) its pretty pathetic of you to air it out on a public message board. Imagine if someone bearing a "Guvernment" alias came on here and started flaming your club? All hell would break loose and you know it. Im not on Guvernment's side nor am i on Boa's side. Im speaking here as a private and objective person when i make these comments. Do i wish everyone could get along? I sure do. Like i said ive heard good things about Boa and one day i hope to get over there and check it out. In the meantime, if you really want to promote unity in this city you can keep your bashing and your allegations to yourself (or at least off a public forum) and get back to promoting your venue positively.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ALWAYS OPINIONATED, CONTROVERSIAL, BRASH JAYX1???
Have you met your match, or does the truth hurt too much????
TranceAddict is a public discussion forum where all opinions, even yours are welcome!!! We are not being unprofessional by exposing certain facts to the public, especially when they adversely impact the very scene this forum seeks to promote.
We would welcome a response from either the Guv or System!!!!!
You should be cautious when admitting that you may visit Boa in the future; Others have lost their jobs and been banned for such "behaviour" LOL.

I keep my dancing, my work and my politics seperate.

As for your comments, the immaturity in your statements is glaring.

I have stated my opinion. My opinion is that i really dont give a flying fuck about club politics and i think both Guvernment and Boa are viable places. And, its people like you posting stuff like this on message boards that are half the problem.

As for a response from another club? I dont think theyd be so immature to post BS like this is a public messageboard.

Face it, all you are doing here is making yourself look silly.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I wouldnt be so sure about that.... trust me

I apologise, i actually engaged you in a debate based on facts and first hand knowledge.
I'll reserve future discussions to premunitions, hypothesis and guess work. Intelligent and controversial debate seems to offend you!!
So how about them Jays???

blah blah blah blah.... what a crappy thread. lol

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Originally posted by Jayx1 As for a response from another club? I dont think theyd be so immature to post BS like this is a public messageboard. Face it, all you are doing here is making yourself look silly.

The other clubs won't respond b/c they don't want to answer the questions put on the table in this thread.

Clubs earn a lot of respect from patrons when they are interactive and up front in forums like these.

The only person who looks silly is you - and people on this board have been saying that for a long time.

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Originally posted by bucky blah blah blah blah.... what a crappy thread. lol

Actually Buck, this is one of the best threads I've seen on TOTA in quite some time.

Sorry, but having someone hide behind an alias and fire off allegations is not exactly being upfront now is it?

I could easily start up an alias and make claims of my own.

As for myself, i come on this board as a representitive of myself and myself only. If you have a problem with a particular club, any rumours you may hear etc i suggest you take it up with management in private.

Sadly, all this Boa-Redux person is doing is perpetuating whatever rift and politics it is that he claims exists in the first place. As for the validity of his accusations, again i have no idea nor do i give a shit.

Just dont come on messageboards representing a club and then proceed to bash other clubs. Thats been my whole point all along.

I wont hold Boa-redux responsible for what this one person is saying. I still plan to visit sometime despite the negative image that this person representing the club is displaying here. I know a lot of good people involved in that club as is the case with many other venues around town. I only hope that the person behind this Boa-Redux alias isnt somebody i already know in real life because it would be sad to have to lose respect for somebody i already know.

Jay, I think all he's really doing is firing off words supporting allegations that he truly believes to be true. You do it with opinions on a regualr basis, and he's doing it with what he considers facts. I see nothing wrong with that.

Additionally, he would be hiding if his TA name wasn't one that told you exactly where he worked. His name says boa-redux, and I think you know exactly where that club is. If the allegations that are purportedly the doings of the Guvernment ARE true, then Guv is the only classless party either in this discussion or being discussed.

Speaking about paul martin and Stephen Harper is one thing, but bringing your own personal dirty laundry or to start rumours on a message board is quite another.

I wont comment on this anymore as it is a pointless topic and immature people seem to be missing the point as to why i scolded Boa Redux (the alias) in the first place.

I think ive been quite diplomatic about the whole thing and all this guy is doing at this point is trying to get a rise out of me (and the rest of you guys)

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