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Originally posted by richard raiban progressive is a "structure" in how music is made. hope this helps...

dude, you aren't making any sense.

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Originally posted by halo20 dude, you aren't making any sense.

Jon youre fuckin jokes man.
Great delivery.

^ the t.a inside joke to end all other t.a inside jokes

(cheers Jeff)

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Originally posted by richard raiban progressive is a "structure" in how music is made.

i think that makes perfect sense.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess i think that makes perfect sense.

there is nothing more to it....its a style, a form of whatever genre you use...

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion It amazes me at the breadth and scope of ignorance among many of those making contributions (and I say that in the loosest of terms)to this thread. It is unfortunate that the term "Progressive" was pinned to a certain hybrid of House, Techno and Trance sound, as it was more meant to be a mindset to the approach and technique of creating music which liberates itself from the standard structure of the popular style of its time. The term Progressive was given to any music that discarded the predictable foundations and elements of song creation. Essentially, it is an adjective to a style, therefore, as an example, to say Progressive Trance is boring is to say no Trance that attempts to advance and experiment from the formulaic standard has any value or energy so to dumb it down......those that knock progressive music, whatever it's form, essentially advertise their desire for music to stagnate and grow stale. Specifically, for those here that seem to make a hobby of bashing progressive music, stop the cozy little bubble which is your world for one minute and consider the FACT that Trance as YOU see it would have been long since extinct had not the elements of progressive and other forward thinking styles been injected into it by all the biggest Trance DJ's you blindly worship. Let's look at Tiesto, on a lark, shall we? It seems quite clear that much of his best work (Flight 643) and sets, have more a Techno spirit to them then pure uncut Trance. Armin? His tracklists read like an essential list for Prog/tech-trance/breaks along side the GENUINE good trance that still exists if one cares to search for it. I laugh when people balk at music that diverges from their micro-view of what is good. I can't help but picture those elderly people we chuckle at for still listening to Rag-time or Waltzes and think.........there lies YOUR future, except it will be Trance...atleast the kind that refused to evolve. Progressive will not die, it's a contradiction in terms. Our current projection of what it is may die or change but forward-thinking music, the kind the keeps the scene vibrant and relevant, will remain steadfastly pushing ahead and creating new, powerful music. FF

well put,
Progressive Trance is not what is considered Progressive. No one who likes trance would say they dislike progressive trance.

when someone says a dj is playing "progressive" we think sasha. we think progressive (perhaps progressive house i dont know) but what ever the definition, progressive trance is not that boaring crap that is in so many clubs. I agree it is a gross misuse of the term, but at least we know what people are refering to. In a sense every song on the planet is progressive something. (and that could be argued)

I always thought that progressive trance was just a track with a build that progressed, or that the whole track progressed into the overall song. if your definition of progressive is correct then there is progressive everything (insert genre here)

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess i think that makes perfect sense.

can you please explain it to me then? lol

I think the term "progressive" is incredibly stupid anyways, the equivalent of "alternative" back in the day. Why must we label EVERYTHING.

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Originally posted by halo20 can you please explain it to me then? lol I think the term "progressive" is incredibly stupid anyways, the equivalent of "alternative" back in the day. Why must we label EVERYTHING.

well, i don't know how to explain it more clearly than raiban.

it's a type of each genre. each genre has producers that are pushing the envelope of the genre.

For example like Outkast is hip-hop right? but it's not exactly hip-hop like we all love to hate. they have pushed the boundaries of hip-hop and created "progressive" hip-hop. they are still hip-hop but have expanded the genre. progressive expands a genre.

as for plain old progressive music, i think you are right, it is being used to loosely. progressive "what exactly?". i think there is a progressive electronic music that amalgamates aspects of many genres. whoever thought that breaks would soung good in a trance song? but it does. once that becomes old, it's back to old plain 'trance' label for those types of tracks and on to kick ass guitars for the 'progressive trance'. that is why, some 'progressive' sucks ass, and i want to kill myself after hearing a bit of it and some is ok and even dancable.

and poor sasha, i don't know what the hell he is thinking. doesn't he know that once he goes back to 1985 style EDM, THAT will become the new 'progressive' trend and blow everyone away. poor guy thinks he can get away, but he never will. hahahaha.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess they have pushed the boundaries of hip-hop and created "progressive" hip-hop

haah what!

(and if there was such a thing, Dre would get credit, est: 1995)

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Originally posted by halo20 haah what! (and if there was such a thing, Dre would get credit, est: 1995)

that's old news. not progressive no more.

every song sounds the same.

ans why the heck are you being such a devil's advocate in this thread. don't you like LIKE progressive whatever.

I only listen to progressive country from now on.

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Originally posted by halo20 I only listen to progressive country from now on.

shania is progressive country. it can only go up from here.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess shania is progressive country. it can only go up from here.

Aren't we witty?

I'd have to agree very much with FF (Aaron) and Richard.
Hell...I might just print that out and hand it to people that ask me what I'm listening to next time lol

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Why must we label EVERYTHING.

Basic Human psychology really. It's the only way we can effectively organize and package our perceptions of the world and be able to communicate that to others. Labels are like hotkeys for the mind, they wrap up a large area of description down into a few words that the receiver can instantly identify with.

Example: FF's post is progressive bulls**t.....see? all clear now? LOL

FF

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion Basic Human psychology really. It's the only way we can effectively organize and package our perceptions of the world and be able to communicate that to others. Labels are like hotkeys for the mind, they wrap up a large area of description down into a few words that the receiver can instantly identify with.

Aaron, you're so coherent. Your explanations really contain themselves well.

Yeah.. I was always battling with "Why do we always have to stick this piece of music in a genre?" and then always revert to the above thinking -- it's only human...

^^^^^^^

Max, if you're looking to ask me out on a date...the answer is no

LOL

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion ^^^^^^^ Max, if you're looking to ask me out on a date...the answer is no LOL

... damn...

you really know how to break someone's heart man...







lol

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Aren't we witty?

man, i feel like a woman.

(is it bad that i can have conversations in shania lyrics?)

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess man, i feel like a woman. (is it bad that i can have conversations in shania lyrics?)

heh... That don't impress me much

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(is it bad that i can have conversations in shania lyrics?)

YES......yes, it is

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that don't inpress me much

awesome

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Originally posted by Max Q heh... That don't impress me much

don't be ridiculous..

hahahahahahahahaha

good one Max.

i've been listenin' and spinnin' prog for 16yrs i'm not gonna stop 'cause some low grade dj is gonna change his style....

16 years eh?

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Originally posted by joefingers i've been listenin' and spinnin' prog for 16yrs i'm not gonna stop 'cause some low grade dj is gonna change his style....

Oh here we go....

Low-grade? And you've been listening to and spinnin 'prog' ?? what's wrong with you?



Edit: Oh yeah.. and I didn't even see the '16 years' part till now.. that's quite a long time for something that hasn't really existed in this form for that long...

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