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Posted by LiquidX on Jul-30-2004 20:19:

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Originally posted by Shakka
It's no secret that Fox News finally offers an alternative to the liberal network news that has been stuffed down our throats for years. What I find funny is how badly liberals seem to want to censor Fox News BECAUSE it presents a more conservative point of view. What about FREE SPEECH, guys??? Does it really bother liberals THAT much that Conservatives have a media outlet as well? Wow, talk about a power hungry group of freedom haters! They have nothing to complain about.

And *Newsflash* most of the "conservative" content on Fox News that liberals complain about is O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. i.e. Shows that are not "News" shows, rather are talk shows which are designed to have an opinion on matters, one way or another. When it comes to straight news(Fox & Friends Morning Show aside--all morning news shows are gay), Fox offers better, more comprehensive news coverage of what's going on in the world. There are more news stories covered, more content delivered--finally an alternative to CNN(Which yes, leans more to the left than to the right--sorry guys, it's true).

There is a difference with free speech then lets say, misinform their audience, or potray false claims. Its NO secreat that the people that watch Fox news are probably the most misinformed.. wonder where all those people that thought that Saddam was linked 9/11 watched.. Fox News. It is scary, because things like this make people IGNORANT, and in matters like this, ignorance is no good for the world.. more when we are talking about the most powerfull country in the world.

Posted by LiquidX on Jul-30-2004 20:20:

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Originally posted by policerobots
yea the term relative is good
but then again in america u have nutcases that are so left they fall off the earth

LoL..

I oppose gay marriage. Im I a lefty?

I go to Church.. Im I a lefty??

If Im religious.. Im I a lefty?!?..

Thought I would ask you guys this.. sort of makes me laugh at how some of you characterize lefties.. I wonder to know, fil me in!

Posted by speedracer_mec on Jul-30-2004 20:23:

quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
There is a difference with free speech then lets say, misinform their audience, or potray false claims. Its NO secreat that the people that watch Fox news are probably the most misinformed.. wonder where all those people that thought that Saddam was linked 9/11 watched.. Fox News. It is scary, because things like this make people IGNORANT, and in matters like this, ignorance is no good for the world.. more when we are talking about the most powerfull country in the world.

Ideology gets in the way of you seeing things.

You believe things are incorrect because they are put in a different light.

What about the mass coverage on Michael Moore on the liberal networks?

All distortion of facts.?

Also, I guess the Russians watched Fox news as well, since their intelligence along with tony blair/uk were misinformed about the saddam link?

Yea The Russians were partying at Bush's ranch. They are best friends.

Learn to accept differences between the ideologies before calling people ignorant.

Posted by Shakka on Jul-30-2004 20:27:

Posted by LiquidX on Jul-30-2004 20:39:

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Originally posted by Shakka
Can you show me where Fox News actually said that Saddam was linked to 9/11? I believe the administration has maintained all along that there is not evidence that can directly tie Saddam to 9/11.

Exaaaaaaactly, but if Im not mistaken, Dick Cheney said some comments realated to that, and such a coincidence that the people polled about that are the audience of Fox News.

Posted by speedracer_mec on Jul-30-2004 20:41:

quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
Exaaaaaaactly, but if Im not mistaken, Dick Cheney said some comments realated to that, and such a coincidence that the people polled about that are the audience of Fox News.

I believe there was a poll on that on CNN as well.'

I dislike Cheney.

Posted by LiquidX on Jul-30-2004 20:48:

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Ideology gets in the way of you seeing things.

You believe things are incorrect because they are put in a different light.

What about the mass coverage on Michael Moore on the liberal networks?

All distortion of facts.?

Also, I guess the Russians watched Fox news as well, since their intelligence along with tony blair/uk were misinformed about the saddam link?

Yea The Russians were partying at Bush's ranch. They are best friends.

Learn to accept differences between the ideologies before calling people ignorant.

Well, let me tell you. As I grew up, the first president who I read and caught my attention was Ronald Reagan, whom I really liked, then came Bush, whom I didnt read so many positive things about, and then I lived under the Clinton era.. and now, with the Bush and Al Gore debates, I went for Al Gore, dint like Bush, but hoped he would show the good of him, which I thought I could have under-estimated. As he entered the presidency, he really started to screw up.. he didnt even shadow his father on terms of been a good president. I could say that he's father was far better then what Bush really is. I say this, because is not like Im talking and whining blindly about Bush.

About the idiology's and Moore.
To be honest, Bush has done more bad then good, more mess ups then the presidents I had mention, to the United States of America, and Ive never been in such ambient and times that we live in now. Just by seen how the 2000 elections were held and done, it tells you how controled, and manipulated power can be, and thats something this Administration has overwhelmingly done.

So yes, the Russian intelligence may have said it, but just like that, the Russian intelligence told this administration that Al Quaida was planning an attack to the US.. why didnt he do anything about it then?!?!

PS: THere is a lot of ignorant people here in the United States, who would go on either side without even knowing what they stand for.. who dont even know who the first american president was, or not even know what all the 50 states are. Im talking comparing to the rest of the world. And having networks feed us with limited information, only one sided, does help make the people far more ignorant.. in my opinion, thank god for C-SPAN.

Posted by biznology on Jul-30-2004 21:54:

Posted by speedracer_mec on Jul-30-2004 22:05:

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Originally posted by biznology
WTF does that mean: ' Ideology gets in the way of you seeing things. '?

that sentence is garbage- as i doubt you yourself has overcome the issue of *ideology*! i dont argue one side or another, but the Political Forum has turned into a forum for conservatives (the Right, in America) to bash crazy liberals. hello, politics should be about issues and decisions, not right/wrong, good/evil, binary...

debating the validity of broadcast news is rediculous, and this forum has turned into a transverse replica of so many 'liberal media outlets'.

thank god there are the worthwhile posts of very few here, who strive to entertain AND inform members with worthwhile topics that generally dont fall into Left/Right or Zionist debates|

I seriously doubt this is a conservative forum

Most liberals.
2:1 ratio

Posted by policerobots on Jul-30-2004 23:36:

What makes a liberal

This article hits the point on what being liberal means.

What makes a liberal?
Dennis Prager (archive)

August 12, 2003 |

Why do people hold liberal-left positions? (Liberal and left were once very different, but not anymore.)

This question has plagued me because I have long believed that most people, liberal or conservative, mean well. Very few people wake up in the morning planning to harm society. Yet, many liberal positions -- I emphasize liberal positions rather than liberals because most people who call themselves liberal do not hold most contemporary liberal positions -- have been wreaking havoc on America and the world.

How, then, can decent and often very smart people hold liberal positions?

There are many reasons, but the two greatest may be naivete and narcissism. Each alone causes problems, but when combined in the same person, they are particularly destructive.

At the heart of liberalism is the naive belief that people are basically good. As a result of this belief, liberals rarely blame people for the evil they do. Instead, they blame economics, parents, capitalism, racism, and anything else that can let the individual off the hook.

A second naive liberal belief is that because people are basically good, talking with people who do evil is always better than fighting, let alone killing, them. "Negotiate with Saddam," "Negotiate with the Soviets," "War never solves anything," "Think peace," "Visualize peace" -- the liberal mind is filled with naive cliches about how to deal with evil.

Indeed, the very use of the word "evil" greatly disturbs liberals. It shakes up their child-like views of the world, that everybody is at heart a decent person who is either misunderstood or led to do unfortunate things by outside forces.

The second major source of modern liberalism is narcissism, the unhealthy preoccupation with oneself and one's feelings. We live in the Age of Narcissism. As a result of unprecedented affluence and luxury, preoccupation with one's psychological state, and a hedonistic culture, much of the West, America included, has become almost entirely feelings-directed.

That is one reason "feelings" and "compassion" are two of the most often used liberal terms. "Character" is no longer a liberal word because it implies self-restraint. "Good and evil" are not liberal words either as they imply a moral standard beyond one's feelings. In assessing what position to take on moral or social questions, the liberal asks him or herself, "How do I feel about it?" or "How do I show the most compassion?" not "What is right?" or "What is wrong?" For the liberal, right and wrong are dismissed as unknowable, and every person chooses his or her own morality.

A good example of liberal narcissism is the liberal position on abortion. For the liberal, the worth of a human fetus, whether it is allowed to live or to be extinguished, is entirely based on the feelings of the mother. If the mother wants to give birth, the fetus is of incomparable worth; if the mother doesn't, the fetus has the value of a decayed tooth.

There are not many antidotes to this lethal combination of naivete and narcissism. Both are very comfortable states compared to growing up and confronting evil, and compared to making one's feelings subservient to a higher standard. And comfortable people don't like to be made uncomfortable.

Posted by biznology on Jul-31-2004 09:50:

wow...

that is a crappy post and has nothing to do with *real* politics. nothing like contributing to a real problem...

Posted by biznology on Jul-31-2004 09:54:

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec
I seriously doubt this is a conservative forum

Most liberals.
2:1 ratio

erh lurkers perhaps...

i think that most people dont post here cause of the beratement incurred...

not to say you all are anti-liberal - whatever that means - but that dissention is crappy.

I would rather just discuss|

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