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Morocco :

-lots of efforts must be made in order to respect human rights , Amnesty International recently compared one of our prisons to abu-ghraib secret services still kidnap people without motives and torture them we improved a lot in the democracy chapter since we had a new king in 1999 (Morocco is a kingdom) , and i can truly say we're the most democratic country in the arab world and in africa (of course after south-africa)

-radicalisation in the religion , we either have people living like talibans or others living like if they are in the playboy mansion. there's no moderation at all.

-poor people getting poorer (majority) and rich people getting richer (minority).some neighbourhoods look like beverly hills and a few meters away there are ghettos everywhere.

1) English people that think that French people are cry babies when at the same time they never set foot in Quebec and have no idea of the differences and context of Quebecers' revendications.

2) Torontians who think they're the center of the universe.

3) People thinking Toronto feels like an european city.

4) Loose morals everywhere in this country, people don't know what honor means anymore (or its something they only saw in some movie).

5) 100Kmh speed limit

6) Canada = redneck land, everywhere, inside cities and out, people are so not sophisticated and well behaved its frightening. Thanks there's some immigrants here and there who show a good example.

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Originally posted by torontotrance Gay Marriage is unacceptable in my view and will always be such. The difference between most of you and me is the following

Great, so instead of answering the question and elaborating on your views, you dimwittedly generalize about your opoponents and make ad hominem attacks. Just to avoid any possible wrong accusations, I myself am not a big fan of gay marriages, but I can at least explain my rationale behind it instead of just saying "I think it's wrong and you're stupid".

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1)I live by different standards, you live by the world's narrow minded view of happiness and self fulfillment, where the world says if it feels good do it and as long as you are not hurting others, it's ok. I live by God's standards where his guidelines are what guides my life, he is my happiness and the reason that I have joy.

And how exactly would you know my (our) standards of living and view of happiness? And who are you to decide that your standards are better than ours?

How can you claim that your faith in an entity that has

a) not been proven to exist
b) contradicted itself countless of times
c) caused death and slaughter of millions of innocent people (including babies)
d) explicitely said that it values one nation above others
e) punished people for any sign of independent thought
f) condoned slavery
g) condoned violent acts against people of other religions for no reason except them being members of other religions
h) openly stated that woman rights are lesser than those of men

is more worth than our mostly secular views based on equality, peace, human rights, and science?

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2)You view the Bible as a bunch of old people making crap up and you view it as a book with errors. I view it as error free and will always have that opinion.

Will you please give a single evidence as to why we should believe otherwise? If it is error free, would you please explain then why is there no solid firmament that seperates upper waters (sky) from lower waters (sea)? Because AFAIK, space flights went above the sky and somehow they didn't find the huge mass of water. You might also care to explain how Noah managed to fit in an entire bandwagon of world species into a 150m long ark, and how he fed them. It would also be interesting to know how he redistributed the animals to all the contintents, especially ones like the platypus or penguins. While we're at it, you also should explain the existance of dinosaur and early hominid fossils.

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3)99.9999% of you don't understand the Bible or Christianity and your tainted views don't hold water imo. You can generalize all you want and most of you tend to do that.

It is you who is generalizing and immediately assuming that we don't posess your level of comprehension, while the facts are that many of us have went through bible classes and realized, unlike you, that the stories there should be viewed as metaphores at best. Even the Pope himself doesn't hold belief that the bible should be taken literally.

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4)I'd say nearly 100% of you lack that total sense of fulfillment and you are searching for something to fill that empty hole in your life. The difference with me is that hole is filled in my life and will always be.

Again, how can you generalize about people of whom you really know nothing about? My guess is that you base your theories on yourself, since it is probably you that would be lost and feel empty if you would abandon religion. Such a strong need for guidance by a higher power only shows a great lack of belief in yourself and a lack of your own ideals.

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Now about the young earth, yes I believe the earth is young and not old. I've never believed that we could simply evolve from a simple cell by random chance.

Would you care to provide some evidence upon which you base your belief? You may also explain the early hominid fossils and dinosaurs I mentioned earlier, as well as genetic similarities between species, facts that those similarities become closer as we go deeper into the past where species converge, and some modern mutations like nylon eating bacteria.

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I view the human body as something far too complicated to just evolve over millions of years and we all know carbon 14 and all the dating processes were never accurate in the first place.

Yes, they are not perfectly accurate, but they are certainly not 500 million years off. The error margin is generally not greater than about 10%.

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I do realize that no amount of facts on my part will change anyone's mind, you have to deal with your own fears and problems and your own beliefs.

Actually facts do change people's minds, but the problem is that you haven't stated a single one.

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Beliefs are individual and everyone has to make a decision about that at some point, I can't make it for you. I made my mine and I'm happy with my decision and I'm not losing any sleep over it.

That is essentially correct. Unfortunately, however, your decision is not based on reality.

heres one more to rack on for the states:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/26/com...astler/wastler/


1 for no sense of humor.

corruption

Taxes are too high !!

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Originally posted by malek 2) Torontians who think they're the center of the universe.

You know what this reminded me of Malek??? That stupid kunt at starbucks..hahahahhahah

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Great, so instead of answering the question and elaborating on your views, you dimwittedly generalize about your opoponents and make ad hominem attacks. Just to avoid any possible wrong accusations, I myself am not a big fan of gay marriages, but I can at least explain my rationale behind it instead of just saying "I think it's wrong and you're stupid". And how exactly would you know my (our) standards of living and view of happiness? And who are you to decide that your standards are better than ours? How can you claim that your faith in an entity that has a) not been proven to exist b) contradicted itself countless of times c) caused death and slaughter of millions of innocent people (including babies) d) explicitely said that it values one nation above others e) punished people for any sign of independent thought f) condoned slavery g) condoned violent acts against people of other religions for no reason except them being members of other religions h) openly stated that woman rights are lesser than those of men is more worth than our mostly secular views based on equality, peace, human rights, and science? Will you please give a single evidence as to why we should believe otherwise? If it is error free, would you please explain then why is there no solid firmament that seperates upper waters (sky) from lower waters (sea)? Because AFAIK, space flights went above the sky and somehow they didn't find the huge mass of water. You might also care to explain how Noah managed to fit in an entire bandwagon of world species into a 150m long ark, and how he fed them. It would also be interesting to know how he redistributed the animals to all the contintents, especially ones like the platypus or penguins. While we're at it, you also should explain the existance of dinosaur and early hominid fossils. It is you who is generalizing and immediately assuming that we don't posess your level of comprehension, while the facts are that many of us have went through bible classes and realized, unlike you, that the stories there should be viewed as metaphores at best. Even the Pope himself doesn't hold belief that the bible should be taken literally. Again, how can you generalize about people of whom you really know nothing about? My guess is that you base your theories on yourself, since it is probably you that would be lost and feel empty if you would abandon religion. Such a strong need for guidance by a higher power only shows a great lack of belief in yourself and a lack of your own ideals. Would you care to provide some evidence upon which you base your belief? You may also explain the early hominid fossils and dinosaurs I mentioned earlier, as well as genetic similarities between species, facts that those similarities become closer as we go deeper into the past where species converge, and some modern mutations like nylon eating bacteria. Yes, they are not perfectly accurate, but they are certainly not 500 million years off. The error margin is generally not greater than about 10%. Actually facts do change people's minds, but the problem is that you haven't stated a single one. That is essentially correct. Unfortunately, however, your decision is not based on reality.

B-E-A-UTIFUL.... i think you said it better than most of us could. i know a lot of people who are religious and when i tell them that there is no prood, whats the deal with faith, etc etc. all they say is, well dont you have faith in scientists. "well, i dont have to. They can give me proof."

i look at the bible the same way i look at the game "telephone" that we played in kindergarten. when someone said something, by the time it came around to the other side, it was completely different. the bible works the same way. over centuries, changes are made and veiws are skewed and although they can all be taken as metaphores, those metaphores are always changing. in 1000 years, if the human race is still around, and christianity is still dominant, they will have completely different views because of how it changes.

something i want a religious person to explain is:

-adaptation/evolution
-where is heaven and hell
-how did all the animals fit on a boat and redistribute
-how did they build the boat out of wood, and somehow make all the logs/peices so close together to keep
them water proof
-what proof do you have of anything
-what kind of "god" condemns 2/3 of the world to eternal damnation because they dont share the same veiws or because they are homosexual, etc.
-what kind of god would allow all the horrible things happen to the human race, even strong believers

there is just far too much wrong with christianity and imo any religion that is based around a creater god(no offense)

someone gimme proof and i will stop fighting for atheism

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Originally posted by Cyrus King You know what this reminded me of Malek??? That stupid kunt at starbucks..hahahahhahah

hahahahahahahah we had a good laugh about it

Who need the bible and christianity to fill your void when u've got trance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My void is totally filled

i second that

Most christians I know take the 7days as not meaning literraly 7 days, but some greater time. Also that whole Sodom & Gomorrah part in the bible that most people base their anti-gay arguments from, had 2 counts of incest where the daughters got their dad drunk, and "sat" on his lap to get his seed without his knowledge. That followed his wife being turned into a pilliar of salt for looking back.(I'm to lazy to look up a link)


Traffic, and those subdivsions out in the bonnies making round roads that are impossible to navagate forcing all traffic out into a 2 lane road. That and why dont they at least use a couple different houses not just minor varations on the same one or two.

To many assholes wanting everyone to be the same, same games, same clothes, and etc.

Why choose the lesser of two evils? Vote Cuthlu! The stars are right!

(btw my last couple posts where during a major moodswing(I'm bi-polar...))

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Originally posted by torontotrance I considered it but then discarded it like most of what comes out of your mouth. I mean your opinion is one thing but your opinions seem to border on hate at times, your anti this, anti that.

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Originally posted by torontotrance ummmm, worst thing I hate about Canada a. Gay Marriage b. the french in our country are crybabies

Although i agree with you on the french. Your crusade against gays is hypocritical

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Originally posted by torontotrance and anyone that has a different opinion is wrong and they should be shown as why they are wrong.

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Originally posted by torontotrance you live by the world's narrow minded view of happiness and self fulfillment

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Originally posted by torontotrance 99.9999% of you don't understand the Bible or Christianity

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Originally posted by torontotrance your tainted views don't hold water imo.

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Originally posted by torontotrance You can generalize all you want and most of you tend to do that.

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Originally posted by torontotrance I'd say nearly 100% of you lack that total sense of fulfillment

If it was God who gave you all your gifts.. he certainly fucked up with logic. There is just as much anger, hate, criticism and self-righteousness in your posts as anyone else's here.

Welfare

Disco Joe, thanks for reinforcing the ignorant and arrogant nature of that religious fanatic Torontotrance

discojoe you showed the whole world that torontotrance is an extremist and a religious fanatic

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Originally posted by fastmp3 discojoe you showed the whole world that torontotrance is an extremist and a religious fanatic

LOL.. i think we can thank Torontotrance for this by him just opening his mouth

Lebanon-

syria, syria, syria. They have a hand in our finances, a huge one in our politics and a continued military presence in lebanon.

get out.

"One mans religion is another mans belly laugh" Heinlein



you've got to love fundamentalists

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
- H. L. Menken

Isn't it funny how toronto has now crawled into a hole now that he's been totally owned? This is so typical of these people, ignorantly running away from the truth to protect their own stupid values.

What's wrong with Canada?

Way too socialist.

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C B-E-A-UTIFUL.... i think you said it better than most of us could. i know a lot of people who are religious and when i tell them that there is no prood, whats the deal with faith, etc etc. all they say is, well dont you have faith in scientists. "well, i dont have to. They can give me proof."

Scientists don't give you proof. Scientists give you theories/explanations, which are in accordance with recorded observations to some degree.

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C something i want a religious person to explain is: -adaptation/evolution

Evolution is a scientific theory/explanation explaining some observations (fossils etc.). How would you have christianity explain an explanation?

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C -where is heaven and hell

"Where" is a relation characteristic of the physical universe. It makes no sense to apply it to things which are not part of the universe. It's like asking what's the IP-address of a teddy bear.

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C -how did all the animals fit on a boat and redistribute

The story of Noah is in the old testament. Christianity is based on the new one. Mores specifically the four gospels.

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C -how did they build the boat out of wood, and somehow make all the logs/peices so close together to keep them water proof

In the same way mankind built all other boats, I'd guess. Columbus had the same problem when going to America I would think. Don't you believe in America?

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C -what proof do you have of anything

I challenge you to define what you mean by proof, including some examples of "scientific proofs".

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C -what kind of "god" condemns 2/3 of the world to eternal damnation because they dont share the same veiws or because they are homosexual, etc.

I don't think God is to blame for that. It's all in the mind of the interpreters of the scriptures.

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C -what kind of god would allow all the horrible things happen to the human race, even strong believers

A mean god.

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C there is just far too much wrong with christianity and imo any religion that is based around a creater god(no offense)

Quite a generalization there. I would agree that blind adherence to the wording of the bible is a mistake, but why should that invalidate any other religion involving a creation?

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Originally posted by PVD & T[]C someone gimme proof and i will stop fighting for atheism

The problem with your reasoning is that you seem to be totally unaware that the atheism, which you advocate, is as huge a blindfold as any religion that you might think of. Go and read just a few books on the nature of mathematics, logics, and languages and you will find that science is not *the truth*, and that asking for religious people to give you "proof" makes no sense.

Btw. I'm not a Christian (actually I'm a scientist), so you might find my comments irrelevant.

To beleive that there isn`t a God takes just as big a step in faith as to believe that there is a God.

Personally for that reason alone im an agnostic but i admit i have atheistic tendencies of belief.

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Originally posted by mongeone To beleive that there isn`t a God takes just as big a step in faith as to believe that there is a God. Personally for that reason alone im an agnostic but i admit i have atheistic tendencies of belief.

agreed

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