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Originally posted by Orko ^^^ keep the argument consistant. DRE has been regarded as a legend, not cause of his lyrics, but because of his production! He helped to make NWA, snoop and west coast. Diddy helped to do the same with the East coast of rappers. good production is an important to rap. i dont think anybody on this board is defending his lyrics. lets face it they stink! and for the longest time he didn even write them. but he did help to establish a lot of talent with his productions. thats why i say he should be respected. definalty not cause of his rapping. btw...isnt an artist someone who expresses emotion/feeling through something they made which can be experienced by one of the 5 senses?

fair enough...take Dre off my list then

my argument stands...P Diddy is not a "legend"...he's a smart and popular businessman who runs a big company. There are lots of producers out there who have done 10 times as much work, worked with much bigger names than anyone P Diddy has worked with...but they don't own clothing lines and they didn't sleep with J-Lo, so they remain more anonymous..."popularity" doesn't equal "legend" is all I'm saying.

Whenever the pioneers of the genre are discussed, Dre will always be mentioned. P Diddy? I dunno about that. Outside of Biggy (who was great), who has he produced that can be considered terribly "influential" to the rap and hip hop scenes? Faith Evans and Craig Mack are talented and all that...but they don't hold a candle to those with whom Dre has worked...NWA, Snoop, Eminem, Warren G.

just my opinion of course...

Europe is not the EDM haven everyone thinks it is. Look at the love parade 99 it was a million and a half.. now look at it. Look at all the magazines in europe that have folded. I have studied here in south america and met dozens and dozens of europeans and while they might have been a little more open minded, with the exception of a couple who had heard of paul van dyk (and disliked him) none of them had any idea about dance music. Its more popular, but trust me it is still underground. Rap is far, far more popular than house in europe. The rave scene used to be a platform for rebelious kids.. now the only people who listen to it are computer nerds sitting in their parents basements who have nothing better to do than argue.. the only people who have time to actually find the shit. (only difference is I sit in my own basement). House music isnt cool anywhere. You are not cool anywhere in this world anymore if you listen to electronic music. You are a looser

im soo glad that mofo got booed off stage. i hate hate hate p didy. he milked the rap industry for what its worth now he's gona try and do the same for EDM.....i hope he crashes and burns before he fucks up our music.

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Originally posted by Noree im soo glad that mofo got booed off stage. i hate hate hate p didy. he milked the rap industry for what its worth now he's gona try and do the same for EDM.....i hope he crashes and burns before he fucks up our music.

also watch out for:

PUNJABI MC

too dangerous. fuked up the hip hop scene already.

who the hell is that guy? never heard of him.

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Originally posted by Noree who the hell is that guy? never heard of him.

he is from U.K. he started his djing career by making dance/drum and bass remixes with indian music. now he and "JAY Z" mix hip hop and indian beats together. i just hope he doesnt start trance with indian beats.

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Originally posted by discojoe You are not cool anywhere in this world anymore if you listen to electronic music. You are a looser

take a bus down to santiago or make your way across the andes to buenos aires and the beaches there and then tell me that same sentence.

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Originally posted by djshan i just hope he doesnt start trance with indian beats.

I hope so too

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Originally posted by DigitalMP PD is quite the artist, and EVERY FUCKING ONE of you rocked your face off to Let's Get Ill at least once, but go ahead, hate all you want now.

I've always hated that tune ... extremely ghey.

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Originally posted by discojoe Europe is not the EDM haven everyone thinks it is. Look at the love parade 99 it was a million and a half.. now look at it. Look at all the magazines in europe that have folded. I have studied here in south america and met dozens and dozens of europeans and while they might have been a little more open minded, with the exception of a couple who had heard of paul van dyk (and disliked him) none of them had any idea about dance music. Its more popular, but trust me it is still underground. Rap is far, far more popular than house in europe. The rave scene used to be a platform for rebelious kids.. now the only people who listen to it are computer nerds sitting in their parents basements who have nothing better to do than argue.. the only people who have time to actually find the shit. (only difference is I sit in my own basement). House music isnt cool anywhere. You are not cool anywhere in this world anymore if you listen to electronic music. You are a looser

GUY, did you watch the olympics.....TIESTO was all over the place...the worry now is, should EDM become mainstream, would "we" want to keep listening to it....Frankly, I like the whole underground concept of it.....

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Originally posted by walkindude GUY, did you watch the olympics.....TIESTO was all over the place...the worry now is, should EDM become mainstream, would "we" want to keep listening to it....Frankly, I like the whole underground concept of it.....

it should become mainstream the underground way, it shouldnt be broadcasted on local radio and tv stations. i dont know how that will work, but it should be something like that.

I don't understand why you people have such a strong desire to keep it underground? I really don't see a reason for it...can someone explain?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 take a bus down to santiago or make your way across the andes to buenos aires and the beaches there and then tell me that same sentence.

all right all right.. you may have a point with BA. Iv been there but never been to a rave. (going to try to make it for creamfields) As far as Chile goes, its definitely more popular than north america but every where there's both dance and hip hop rooms, Hip hop rooms have the hotties, dance rooms have the uglies.

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Originally posted by discojoe ... but every where there's both dance and hip hop rooms, Hip hop rooms have the hotties, dance rooms have the uglies.

Yes but ONLY in north america...I don't know about south america but most definitely not in Europe. It's more of a north american thing unfortunately.

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Originally posted by starsearcher I don't understand why you people have such a strong desire to keep it underground? I really don't see a reason for it...can someone explain?

Thats a tough question, the reason I'd like it kept underground is because its cool to know that only a minority like it, and it keeps it exclusive.

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Originally posted by starsearcher I don't understand why you people have such a strong desire to keep it underground? I really don't see a reason for it...can someone explain?

well i dont care if its not underground outside north america, but if its in north america, and trance becomes mainstream, expect the "gino" invasion.

how many fucking times can this thread get hi-jacked.

p.s p.diddy got booed in ibiza, it's over. lol

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Originally posted by starsearcher I don't understand why you people have such a strong desire to keep it underground? I really don't see a reason for it...can someone explain?

the REAL answer for a lot of people is because they're elitist and feel the need to be into something that's relatively "underground". These types of people don't truly love the MUSIC itself, they love the exclusivity of the scene and once the genre goes really mainstream, they'll just look for the next "underground" movement to follow. I personally find that to be pretty lame...

A better reason, one that I agree with to a great extent, is that as soon as something becomes mainstream, a whole shitload of cheeseym low quality filler DJs and bands come on board, ruining the genre as a whole (witness "grunge"...good quality music with Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, etc...then it went really maintream and you have a gajillion copycat bands who possess a fraction of the talent, at best).

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Originally posted by MarkT the REAL answer for a lot of people is because they're elitist and feel the need to be into something that's relatively "underground". These types of people don't truly love the MUSIC itself, they love the exclusivity of the scene and once the genre goes really mainstream, they'll just look for the next "underground" movement to follow. I personally find that to be pretty lame... A better reason, one that I agree with to a great extent, is that as soon as something becomes mainstream, a whole shitload of cheeseym low quality filler DJs and bands come on board, ruining the genre as a whole (witness "grunge"...good quality music with Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, etc...then it went really maintream and you have a gajillion copycat bands who possess a fraction of the talent, at best).

you just contradicted your self....but I agree with the second reason...local charts in europe dont have a lot of this stuff playing on their radio...sure there is an occasaional artist here and there but not all the time..so the question is, is EDM really mainstream there or is still underground...

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Originally posted by MarkT A better reason, one that I agree with to a great extent, is that as soon as something becomes mainstream, a whole shitload of cheeseym low quality filler DJs and bands come on board, ruining the genre as a whole (witness "grunge"...good quality music with Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, etc...then it went really maintream and you have a gajillion copycat bands who possess a fraction of the talent, at best).

well said m8

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Originally posted by halo20 how many fucking times can this thread get hi-jacked. p.s p.diddy got booed in ibiza, it's over. lol

2500 posts.. you should know what happens to every thread here. conversations wander. it happens in real life and it happens in forums.

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Originally posted by MarkT A better reason, one that I agree with to a great extent, is that as soon as something becomes mainstream, a whole shitload of cheeseym low quality filler DJs and bands come on board, ruining the genre as a whole (witness "grunge"...good quality music with Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, etc...then it went really maintream and you have a gajillion copycat bands who possess a fraction of the talent, at best).

popularity stifles creativity

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Originally posted by walkindude GUY, did you watch the olympics.....TIESTO was all over the place...the worry now is, should EDM become mainstream, would "we" want to keep listening to it....Frankly, I like the whole underground concept of it.....

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Originally posted by walkindude Thats a tough question, the reason I'd like it kept underground is because its cool to know that only a minority like it, and it keeps it exclusive.

And that right there is the epitome of the lame, elitist, I'm-cool-because-I-don't-conform attitude of the particular subsection of the trance/EDM subculture I despise.

You newbies have missed the whole point of EDM culture. It's about having fun. It's about expanding your mind and letting the music take you on a spiritual journey. It's about letting yourself go, dancing like nobody's watching, and suddenly understanding all kinds of people who don't have a thing in common with you except for one thing... the moment.

It's not about being fucking cool. It's not about being underground. Okay sure, too much popularity stifles creativity and that's certainly a valid argument but that doesn't sound much like what you were getting at.

Exclusive? Who fucking cares. The beauty of the the old school rave culture and in part, the new-school EDM scene was that nobody had anything to prove. Everybody was welcome. There was no image, there were no pretenses, it wasn't ABOUT that. THAT is what made it different, and special. Every other culture had its image to protect, its homogenous, exclusive, stifling demands of conformity. Raves and dance music didn't.

Yes I'd keep listening to it no matter how popular it gets because I don't care what other people listen to. Even if popularity does bring in crappy producers and DJs, that doesn't mean we can't be selective about what we listen to and throw away the shit that has no personal meaning for us. I don't need to parade around yelling to everyone how DIFFERENT I am.

I'm sorry, but those are the lamest two posts I've read in this forum in a long time.

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Originally posted by walkindude you just contradicted your self....

hhhmmm, I don't think so...while both *results* are the same (leaving the scene when the music goes mainstream), there can be different reasons for deciding to leave.

Leaving *just* because it's become popular, *just* because you want to be in a scene that's "elite" and small...that is kind of lame. Leaving because the music itself has suffered because of the scene going mainstream is another matter (and what I'm saying I'd do...I could care less how many other people are into trance).

It's just like people going to Guv because it's perceived by them to be a "cool" place to be...surely you've run into the idiots that don't know the music, don't know the DJ, and don't even LIKE the music and/or the DJ, lol...but they still go. Then there's the people who *don't* go because it's too "popular" for their liking...

Both types of people are equally lame in my books I go because the music and vibe is generally really good, period...not for the "coolness" factor, or lack thereof, that some people invent.

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Originally posted by DigiNut And that right there is the epitome of the lame, elitist, I'm-cool-because-I-don't-conform attitude of the particular subsection of the trance/EDM subculture I despise. You newbies have missed the whole point of EDM culture. It's about having fun. It's about expanding your mind and letting the music take you on a spiritual journey. It's about letting yourself go, dancing like nobody's watching, and suddenly understanding all kinds of people who don't have a thing in common with you except for one thing... the moment. It's not about being fucking cool. It's not about being underground. Okay sure, too much popularity stifles creativity and that's certainly a valid argument but that doesn't sound much like what you were getting at. Exclusive? Who fucking cares. The beauty of the the old school rave culture and in part, the new-school EDM scene was that nobody had anything to prove. Everybody was welcome. There was no image, there were no pretenses, it wasn't ABOUT that. THAT is what made it different, and special. Every other culture had its image to protect, its homogenous, exclusive, stifling demands of conformity. Raves and dance music didn't. Yes I'd keep listening to it no matter how popular it gets because I don't care what other people listen to. Even if popularity does bring in crappy producers and DJs, that doesn't mean we can't be selective about what we listen to and throw away the shit that has no personal meaning for us. I don't need to parade around yelling to everyone how DIFFERENT I am. I'm sorry, but those are the lamest two posts I've read in this forum in a long time.

talk about taking it personally, all of us are here every fucking day on this website because we appreciate this music more than the mainstream audience,so yeah your right we will keep on listening no matter how mainstream it becomes.

you might disagree with the whole "exclusive" factor right now, but when it becomes mainstream and this site is flooded with idiots who think know their EDM. Then Id like to see how many times you visit this website. When every other person in the crowd is a trance addict.

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