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Originally posted by Slylee no, you don't have to get married at all. i'm pretty mixed about it myself. even though it�s romantic to think about a beautiful wedding, I think that once the big day came around, I would be freaking out thinking, �oh my god, this is it...you�re DONE�!

Didn't you know weddings were invented for women? It's a guy's job to postpone getting married as long as possible. Weddings are for women to show off in front of their friends and family. Guys have already taking care of this when they show case their chick at the club.

To be honest with you, when my sister was planning her wedding, she drove me up a friggin wall with 40 million samples of colors and crap. If I get married, I will probably have mine planned out in like 1 week. I�ll leave it to the last minute, then impulsively pick what I want that day...depending on my mood, and just stick to it. lol

either that, or I�ll fly off to Hawaii and do it on a private beach with close family members and friends only. that�s the way to do it

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Originally posted by Slylee hey not all of us plan on having relationships with our right hands for the rest of our lives...

I don't plan on it, but it's likely in my case.

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Originally posted by Slylee To be honest with you, when my sister was planning her wedding, she drove me up a friggin wall with 40 million samples of colors and crap. If I get married, I will probably have mine planned out in like 1 week. I�ll leave it to the last minute, then impulsively pick what I want that day...depending on my mood, and just stick to it. lol either that, or I�ll fly off to Hawaii and do it on a private beach with close family members and friends only. that�s the way to do it

I like the way you think.

the size of the rock is also a determining factor in how much participation the guy is expected to give in the planning...

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Originally posted by nekholm Guess what? Some smart guy invented something called "protection". The most secure "protection" is called "condom", which gives about 97% security. So by using a "condom" when you have sex, the girl is most likely not to get pregnant. You can surely find "condoms" in a shop near you. Give it a try, ok?

I guess I should have added the word "condom" to my original post, so that smart-asses like you won't reply. I know about protection and condoms, but you said 97% security. Although that number is extremely high, there's still a small chance.

Tell me, how old are you and would you want to provide for a child if in that 3%, your girlfriend would get pregnant and you were my age (19)? That was what I was trying to get at. I'm not against pre-martial sex by any means, but that issue would be on my mind.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer Do you know what the odds of life on Earth are? If you don't believe that something is out there that you cannot understand (A supernatural force or God, you choose), you are foolish. The odds of this all to exist the way it does by chance is infinitesmily small.

No, I don't know what the "odds of life on Earth are." I'd be happy to hear them, though, given that it would obviously be a major scientific breakthrough if you were able to account for every possible variable to calculate the precise probability that life would exist on Earth. As an aside, there are plenty of determinists who would tell you that the chance is 100%.

No matter what state the universe is in, there is, by your logic, an "infinitesmily small" chance that it would be in that state. So no matter how the universe happens to be configured, such a profound coincidence must occur. Somehow, it doesn't seem so supernatural once you realize that it's logically necessary.

and I won't begin to mention the odds of the earth starting by the big bang.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I guess I should have added the word "condom" to my original post, so that smart-asses like you won't reply. I know about protection and condoms, but you said 97% security. Although that number is extremely high, there's still a small chance. Tell me, how old are you and would you want to provide for a child if in that 3%, your girlfriend would get pregnant and you were my age (19)? That was what I was trying to get at. I'm not against pre-martial sex by any means, but that issue would be on my mind.

I'd hope that the girl would be smart enough to get an abortation (or a day-after pill, or whatever), considering that neither of you (obviously) are ready for a child.

Oh, and please dont tell how evil I am for suggesting killing innocent little soon-to-be cell-clusters.

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Originally posted by Arbiter No, I don't know what the "odds of life on Earth are." I'd be happy to hear them, though, given that it would obviously be a major scientific breakthrough if you were able to account for every possible variable to calculate the precise probability that life would exist on Earth. As an aside, there are plenty of determinists who would tell you that the chance is 100%. No matter what state the universe is in, there is, by your logic, an "infinitesmily small" chance that it would be in that state. So no matter how the universe happens to be configured, such a profound coincidence must occur. Somehow, it doesn't seem so supernatural once you realize that it's logically necessary.

There was a scientific study that accounted for, at least, a large amount of variables, including temperature, distance from the sun, etc. I sure wish I had the data to give you, but I know that it was less than 1 in 10 to the thirtieth power. Either way, I'm confident in my beliefs and don't feel the need to answer to you. I only answer to one authority, and, in the end, one of us is right and the other wrong. If you're right, I have nothing to worry about. If I'm right, you have a lot to worry about.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I only answer to one authority, and, in the end, one of us is right and the other wrong. If you're right, I have nothing to worry about. If I'm right, you have a lot to worry about.

nicely put!

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Originally posted by Slylee nicely put!

Thank you. I'll be here all week.

That's the problem with the political forum and people on the forums as well. The evolutionists think with their crap reasoning on their flawed arguments is right. The law of logic states that no two seperate things can be right at the same time, so either we are both wrong or one of us is right. I will say that if the Christians are right in the end, a lot of people have a lot to worry about. I'm tired of being told that holding off from sex till marriage is wrong by many people on this board. Who made them the judge, the jury and the executioner, I do enjoy the diverse opinions on these board and the ability to interact with them.

hey andy...can i ask you a serious question? what about premarital sex is wrong in the christian viewpoint? is it that sex is something that should be shared between to people that have been blessed by the church or does it have something to do with sex being wrong aka original sin and that should only happen for procreation and not pleasure?

In the Christian viewpoint, sex is good under the right circumstances. Genesis 2:24 says "For This Reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh". Later in the Bible, it says no sex before marriage but it comes down to; do you believe the Bible or not. Most people think that Christians are pathetic in waiting for marriage but most of us don't have a problem with it. See being a Christian is not just a belief, it is a way of life and the Bible is a guide for life. Most of the world tends to attack us and say c'mon everyone is doing it, why not you and I've always said if everyone is doing it then I should not be doing it. The world says do it if it feels good and in my view, it gets you nowhere. You still have the same people getting drunk, getting high, getting laid in an attempt to fill this hole (or what we are missing for full happiness). As long as I've been a Christian, that hole has been filled, I can't explain it. I find it funny that people say Bible or Christian and people immediately become defensive. I'm not trying to convert anyone, if someone wants to ask me questions, I'll try my best to answer them and if I can't, I'll go find someone who can.

Now to the sex before marriage, I've seen many people close to me try this and end up with more problems than fun. You may not see the problems now but they eventually becomes apparant. The way that I look at it Jason, I'm not going away, I'm not running from the discussion and I'm not changing my views. UWM, you and others can't be like me, a virgin but I can get laid and be like you. I'm proud of the fact that I've lasted nearly 23.5 years and I'll wait till I get married. I don't get why people have to attack me for my stand, I'm not hurting anyone with this decision.

i just wanted to point out a couple of things based on what you said...


first, you say that you feel special because you've been able to wait up until this part of your life. That's cool, but if those of us that have slept with people did so because we actually loved those people...does that mean that we are wrong in doing so? I don't have any regrets about any of the women that i've slept with, sure i'm not married to them, but was having sex with them still not everything that it would have been if we had been married? i suppose the only difference would be that you would only be with one person if you waited until marriage and perhaps that is the significant thing.

with that said...would you ever marry a woman who was not a virgin? i mean, even if she was a christian and shared the same moral foundation that you do, but she wasn't a virgin...does that automatically disqualify her? what if she had gotten a divorce or something? then would it still be ok to marry a woman that was not a virgin given she waited until marriage?

also i just wanted to say that you seem to think that we all have holes in our lives that we are trying to fill with such things as sex, drugs, whatever. I was just kinda curious since you have religion to fill that void for you in your life...why do you seem like such a bitter person from time to time? is this not the real andy or do you also actually have holes in your life which you are in need of filling?

once again...i'm not trying to belittle your religion or anything...just trying to make sense of it...

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Originally posted by torontotrance and I won't begin to mention the odds of the earth starting by the big bang.

it wasnt a start, its a continuous cycle..... try reading a book besides the bible

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Originally posted by D-res it wasnt a start, its a continuous cycle..... try reading a book besides the bible

there we go again with the Christian stereotypes. Do you people actually understand that we do read other books besides the Bible

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Originally posted by Slylee nicely put!

i concur..i am saving it..

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Originally posted by torontotrance there we go again with the Christian stereotypes. Do you people actually understand that we do read other books besides the Bible

im sure you do, but every time there is a debate, you post your hardcore christian veiws, so its hard not to think for just one second that you are living in each and every one of those pages every second of every day.... i can say this. i had a friend who i still know who turned uber religious.. like... non of you guys on this board can touch this kid.... he seriously looks like jesus...

i still respect your opinions though torontotrance

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Originally posted by torontotrance there we go again with the Christian stereotypes. Do you people actually understand that we do read other books besides the Bible

ok...if you are a true christian as you like to point out, you wont go insulting people and calling them wankers or retards or fools or whatever and i notice that you do that alot..also if you r a true christian you should be humble and from ur posts u dont seem humble at all always bragging about something wether hockey or bein a mod or ur l33t taste in music or how u r the ultimate christian...its not only about being a virgin you know..

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer There was a scientific study that accounted for, at least, a large amount of variables, including temperature, distance from the sun, etc. I sure wish I had the data to give you, but I know that it was less than 1 in 10 to the thirtieth power. Either way, I'm confident in my beliefs and don't feel the need to answer to you. I only answer to one authority, and, in the end, one of us is right and the other wrong. If you're right, I have nothing to worry about. If I'm right, you have a lot to worry about.

Yes, I can see how "confident" you are in your beliefs which you conveniently don't "feel the need" to answer for. That's not inconsistent at all with the fact that you did feel the need to make the following claim:

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Do you know what the odds of life on Earth are? If you don't believe that something is out there that you cannot understand (A supernatural force or God, you choose), you are foolish. The odds of this all to exist the way it does by chance is infinitesmily small.

Then, when you couldn't back up any of your pointless MCA claptrap with anything stronger than an appeal to anonymous authority, you suddenly "don't feel the need" to justify your beliefs anymore.

I'm sure everyone appreciates your contribution of baseless claims and subsequent refusals to justify or support your position to this thread. I know I do: you are a case study for the intellectual laziness invariably associated with religious faith.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Yes, I can see how "confident" you are in your beliefs which you conveniently don't "feel the need" to answer for. That's not inconsistent at all with the fact that you did feel the need to make the following claim: Then, when you couldn't back up any of your pointless MCA claptrap with anything stronger than an appeal to anonymous authority, you suddenly "don't feel the need" to justify your beliefs anymore. I'm sure everyone appreciates your contribution of baseless claims and subsequent refusals to justify or support your position to this thread. I know I do: you are a case study for the intellectual laziness invariably associated with religious faith.

First and foremost, the biggest reasons you would not understand because they are intangible, which being that you are closed-minded, you would not understand.

Secondly. Do you believe in the big bang? If so, it is interesting how a bunch of gases (disorder) formed solids (order). Considering that one of the laws of thermodynamics states that everything is constantly moving towards disorder. And if energy cannot be created or destroyed. Where did it come from? You tell me where the energy came from that started it all, without saying, it was just here. If it was here, something you don't understand created it or you just don't understand making your beliefs a faith too. For some reason I imagine you haven't a clue with all of your empirical evidence.

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Originally posted by torontotrance UWM, you and others can't be like me, a virgin but I can get laid and be like you.

Whoa there, Tiger, what do I have to do with that post??

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Originally posted by torontotrance I don't get why people have to attack me for my stand, I'm not hurting anyone with this decision.

Maybe it's the same thing for people that have chosen not to wait. We don't understand the constant comments made to us either. It doesn't have any direct impact on your life just like your decision has no effect on ours. Just avoid the topic like the plague. Of course there is nothing wrong with being proud of abstaining, but arguing online with people that don't share your beliefs will accomplish nothing. Be happy with who you are and just let the rest go. That's what I do.

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