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Originally posted by Airbase Well, Im not posting to get comments on mastering or equalizing, and i find it hard to believe that thats the first thing that people wants comment on also. I posted 64 kbps demos earlier, and i've had DJs playing them out on clubs. Thats why.

Well actually i find it very important that music is clean and well equalized, and thats where the most (and the hardest to achieve) improvement can take place.

I guess those dj's were complete audio barbarians and you shouldn't pay any attention to them. I cannot believe that must have been serious. 64kbps sux as well.

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Originally posted by Airbase I havent read up on the whole thread yet, but let me just say one thing. As I didnt know of the rule, I just assumed that it was more liked by visitors to hear a full track in lofi than a 2 min clip in hifi. If someone asked me if i wanted to see 20 min of a dvd movie instead of the whole movie in telesync, id definately would choose the telesync. Nothing is more pointless than engaging yourself in incomplete stuff.

Trying thinking of this analogy...

When you're at the cinema you see these things called 'Trailers'. They usually show the most exciting, interesting or dramatic parts of the film. And because they are in the same quality as the film they would pay money to see they say "Oooh, I gotta go and see that!".

I'm sure it would work in a similar fashion with music. You make a sample showcasing the best parts of the tune and people will say "Oooh, I gotta go and buy that!".

Everybody wins.

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Originally posted by Fundamental Trying thinking of this analogy... When you're at the cinema you see these things called 'Trailers'. They usually show the most exciting, interesting or dramatic parts of the film. And because they are in the same quality as the film they would pay money to see they say "Oooh, I gotta go and see that!". I'm sure it would work in a similar fashion with music. You make a sample showcasing the best parts of the tune and people will say "Oooh, I gotta go and buy that!". Everybody wins.

yeah but you also said that when you bought that crate of cider for mine joe, and theres still about 8 cans left

good shit, im gonna play this out


sorry that was a lame joke

but i have to agree with people bitchin on the quality. it is breaken the rules and it is just unlistenable. (although i did listen ) ah well, enough has been said before

john

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Originally posted by John good shit, im gonna play this out

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Originally posted by Airbase I havent read up on the whole thread yet, but let me just say one thing. As I didnt know of the rule, I just assumed that it was more liked by visitors to hear a full track in lofi than a 2 min clip in hifi. If someone asked me if i wanted to see 20 min of a dvd movie instead of the whole movie in telesync, id definately would choose the telesync. Nothing is more pointless than engaging yourself in incomplete stuff. With full version tracks in lofi, you get an idea of how the full track sounds. A 2 min clip wont tell you about intro, break, buildup, climax, bridges, verses, chorus or outro. Im very satisfied with my track, so I wouldnt be able to choose 2 min from it to put out as a sample, as i believe its missing the total point of being trance music. There is a reason for trance beeing 7min long or around there than 3 min. Its about trance, building up a sort of emotion. Making a 2 min really hifi sample just makes you people concentrate on the mastering and production, the two least important things of music in general.

oh great !, lets make this forum 32kb full tracks forum, it will make the world so much better, and famous people will post their tunes so i can enjoy the clipping and mudiness..nice idea..

I said piss off to you, i appolgize, obviously this is Luke's fault, the rules got changed without any notification.

But if you looked more on this forum, you would know that there was a debat that got started by Eternalmusic. We all agreed there how bad the forum was suddenly, we got floaded with lowfi samples, made the forum no fun, on top of all, people just posted tracks but never reviewed.

Rulez got enforced, and they were ORIGIANLLY, full track min 96kbs, outro can be cutted, and samples min 2 mins long 160kb min bitrate.

Now this is changed, well fine, i cared about this forum but i don't anymore now, fuck this , i wont defend shit anymore nor review. Il just review the people who i appreciate and that help me and that review me. Like Nik said there are other forums.

On the note, if you are thinking of a label deal, and don't wanne post the track in a decent quality, why post it at all?

Once again, sorry, i never knew the rulez got changed.

Good luck.

Maybe its just me, but after listening to this in 32kbps I can honestly say I'd buy it. To tell you the truth, maybe some of us do listen to the mastering and eqing and everything, but others of us actually like listening to what we each come up with. This track in particular is a bit humbling. I'd be almost afraid to listen to a higher bitrate version in an "amateur" forum. I can understand my you'd have tracks getting played out, but at the same time, unless you're making a living on what you're producing, free publicity doesn't hurt all that much. Having said all that, thanks for sharing, loved the track.

the music is what matters. this is a good song.

I dont like it as much as the original Genie to be honest, I'm not much of a fan of the new melody I'm afraid! I might like it more when I hear a good quality version, I know you don't like posting in good quality but it sounds wank mate

track sounds very ID&Tish from what i can recognize in that mud of 11khz sounds

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Originally posted by Massive84 I see that luke changed the rulez? very weak luke, iv seen people posting WAY better samples with their signed music(mk-s , haak, sean tyas etc.) Well it is your bad indeed, and no your not friendly, your bitrate sux, what is there to share or to hear? So please explain me your kindess, you never reviewed one tune here, and comes posting in the lowest bitrate i have ever seen on TA. It's not childish it's my opnion.

must have missed this post first time round. the rules have not been changed, the only changes to the rule thread were to add new ones, then to condense it to one post. you can even look they haven't been edited since aug 18th.

nobody complained when haak posted the asot rip of sonic breeze, it wasn't 32k, but the point still stands

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Originally posted by Airbase Well, Im not posting to get comments on mastering or equalizing, and i find it hard to believe that thats the first thing that people wants comment on also. I posted 64 kbps demos earlier, and i've had DJs playing them out on clubs. Thats why.

Are you serious? how often has this happened?

i find it hard to belive that someone would play a 64kbps rip in a club. it must have sounded horrible!

anyway, jezper, don't take that as a dig, it's not, i just find the idea of someone playing a 64kbps rip in a club so ridiculous.

I can fully understand why you posted the track in the low bit rate that you did, yes ppl will rip the track and play it if the whole track was posted here in say 192kbps, but also those that have posted in this thread make some valid points, it could have been posted in a higher bit rate but edited to make it unuseable by anyone trying to rip it.

You posting samples of your tracks is very much appreciated, please don't stop because of some of the comments in this thread, but also take on board some of the more constructive comments like higher bit rate so the sample can be judged better but voice over or something else on it to make it useless to anyone wanting to take it and play it elsewhere.

I support Luke's decision in keeping this thread open and allowing the lower bitrate sample to be posted, it has served its intent by allowing jezper to get some feedback on his track but we should also learn from this thread from those constructive comments made and all of us need to bear that in mind when posting future threads with samples in.

now instead of bitching about the low bit rate, maybe jezper can re post a higher quality sample, edited of course and he can get some valid feedback.

Neo, you have been so politically correct, and that's in this case very correct.

Amen.

I say...

let everyone post whatever they want as long as you say which quality it is.. then its up to the ppl if they want to listen or not... the same way its up to the producer if he wants to post a thread or not...


now stop bithin' around!

the thing is, this forum used to be filled with low 32 kbs samples until some rules were enforced.

My opinion is, that no matter whether you just started producing yesterday, or you have been producing for 10 years, rules are rules and they should be followed.

To either side of the argument, hope we can all shake hands and get along now. There is no need for bitterness with one another..

Just a suggestion to keep the peace, Haven't we all demo'd software synth's at one time or another, you know, the ones that emit the God awful BEEEP! every minute or so? the same could always be done with a demo.

Sample updated, now you have a 192kbps 2 min sample, which wont give you anything really... You really mean you want this instead of a full track in less quality?

I was alright with the first version, but DAMN, now I want more. What hoops do I have to jump through? Mastering was excellent, Creamy groove, incredible instrumentation. Saying the production is spot on doesn't do this track justice. Wow. GREAT stuff

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Originally posted by Airbase Sample updated, now you have a 192kbps 2 min sample, which wont give you anything really... You really mean you want this instead of a full track in less quality?

imho opinion jezper, I think it gives a better idea, though evenat 128kbps would've been considered fine. I was sent a 128kbps sample of one of the Active Sight tracks from Fred Baker, and even with a 59 second sample, I knew I had to go out and buy the track as soon as I could, so I can see it from both sides. Don't find it as a personal attack on your productions, as I think your most recent release was excellent anyway just that we want to keep a fair playing field

now I'm satisfied

but I believe you have a point to airbase when you say that 2 minutes doesn't show much.

an idea for a rulechange might be that if your track is pending at a label (and you can prove it in some way) you are allowed to post a sample lower than 96kbps as long as you post a part of the track in full quality. That way everyone gets what they want huh?

Thanks!

After reading the whole topic now, i believe the best idea for the future (at least for my samples), is to put it out in 96kbps and put some vocal copyright sample over the track every minute or at cruitial places. Would that be accepted?

// Jezper

personally I think that's acceptable, it's definitely a lot clearer than 32kbps, and respects both the person who has to listen to it as well as the person posting it

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Originally posted by Airbase Thanks! After reading the whole topic now, i believe the best idea for the future (at least for my samples), is to put it out in 96kbps and put some vocal copyright sample over the track every minute or at cruitial places. Would that be accepted? // Jezper

I agree...

Jesper, this is really good. I'm glad u decided to share the song in 2 minutes, in high bitrate instead of 32

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Originally posted by Airbase Thanks! After reading the whole topic now, i believe the best idea for the future (at least for my samples), is to put it out in 96kbps and put some vocal copyright sample over the track every minute or at cruitial places. Would that be accepted? // Jezper

that sounds like a good idea
and fade the end too just in case, for listening I don't care if 15 seconds of the end is missing

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