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I don't have the time or the patience for you, Radagast. You obviously love a good debate. Yeah for you. Unfortunately you have no clue what you're talking about so arguing with you bores the shit out of me. Thanks for playing.

there is a very interesting article over on the reg

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/11/jetgroove_mp3/

(even you will be able to understand this Radagast

more (boring, but current) news about those russian groovsters

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/15/jetgroove_drops_songs/

Yikes!

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Originally posted by neovalkyr To ragadast: this site is making money off of other peoples work, while free websites are not making money, being the major difference.

*ho-hum* As much as I am for file-sharing, I have to agree with this statement, and most of you queers (yeah, bring it on !), that charging $$ for tracks that you don't own and w/o permission (unlike free sites/programs that let you share for free) ain't exactly cool...tsk, tsk!


Then again, I've never heard of any of these tracks/DJ's/Producers until this thread came up - what was that saying about 'any publicity being being good publicity' -hmmmm hmmmm hmmmmm hmmmm???

Oh never mind, now I'm just being an ass - I'm with neovalkyr on this one.

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Originally posted by trancebrat I don't have the time or the patience for you, Radagast. You obviously love a good debate. Yeah for you. Unfortunately you have no clue what you're talking about so arguing with you bores the shit out of me. Thanks for playing.

I love you too sweetheart.

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Originally posted by Radagast Yes yes, how does that make it any worse for the producers. And it seems we're almost finished with our first week of advertising this site which isn't going down judging by its latest news in which they explain why what they're doing is legal. I don't get it. Is TA against this site, or are they now simply trying to inform artists so that those artists can have their tracks removed if they so choose?

As much as i think Radagast is a !#^%@(*%&^!!!!, i kind of agree with him on this one.

I can say that this site SELLING these is a "tad" worse then giving them for free...but either way you cut it the producers are getting the shaft.

The hypocricy on TA is astounding...100% of the people on here download sets, singles and full albums each and every-day...and in some warped demented way find some rationalization for their actions. Yet the minute someone posts their live sets on EBay or sites like this pop they are all over it, yapping their self-rightous nonsense that producers are getting hurt because of this. You can not condemn this site for doing what they are doing, if at the same time you are trading MP3s...hypocrits.

And i know 20 different people will say that they DO support the artists and actually go and buy the CD or vinyl or what have you...but do me a favor and feed that nonsense to someone else...i have been around and you are all full of $#!T...

People need to stop floating around in their self-rightous ether as if they are morally sound in the whole MP3 distribution era. We are ALL responsible for producers getting the short end of the stick...but at the same exact time we are the ones who make and break these producers...Half these guys would be nobodies if it werent for MP3 trading.

So next time you go on a frenzy about people selling MP3s, stop and think to yourself...are you just bitter because they are making cash off their trades and all you got was Sandstorm for yours?

!#^%@(*%&^!!!!....?!...nobody calls the Rad man a !#^%@(*%&^!!!!


You dirty swinefaced maggotbrain!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 The hypocricy on TA is astounding...100% of the people on here download sets, singles and full albums each and every-day...and in some warped demented way find some rationalization for their actions. Yet the minute someone posts their live sets on EBay or sites like this pop they are all over it, yapping their self-rightous nonsense that producers are getting hurt because of this. You can not condemn this site for doing what they are doing, if at the same time you are trading MP3s...hypocrits.

Please don't judge others by your own low standards...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 The hypocricy on TA is astounding...100% of the people on here download sets, singles and full albums each and every-day...and in some warped demented way find some rationalization for their actions. Yet the minute someone posts their live sets on EBay or sites like this pop they are all over it, yapping their self-rightous nonsense that producers are getting hurt because of this. You can not condemn this site for doing what they are doing, if at the same time you are trading MP3s...hypocrits. And i know 20 different people will say that they DO support the artists and actually go and buy the CD or vinyl or what have you...but do me a favor and feed that nonsense to someone else...i have been around and you are all full of $#!T... People need to stop floating around in their self-rightous ether as if they are morally sound in the whole MP3 distribution era. We are ALL responsible for producers getting the short end of the stick...but at the same exact time we are the ones who make and break these producers...Half these guys would be nobodies if it werent for MP3 trading. So next time you go on a frenzy about people selling MP3s, stop and think to yourself...are you just bitter because they are making cash off their trades and all you got was Sandstorm for yours?

.....nicely put. I just love the smell of common sense in the morning!

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Originally posted by Fundamental Please don't judge others by your own low standards...

Too bad it's true though.

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Originally posted by Fundamental Please don't judge others by your own low standards...

OH! SO i have never seen you in the tracklist room on TA helping with tracklists to live sets? Let me guess you paid for your live sets. After you downloaded them you felt so guilty and felt you had to vindicate yourself from such a low moral crime that you dipped deep into your pockets, past the lint, for money and sent it to the producers?

Look, let's be straight shooters hear for a moment. Can you actualy argue the fact that MP3s made this music bigger then it ever was or gave the oppurtunity for bedroom DJs to finally break out and get on labels?

Maybe you are too young to remember what it was like when there was no MP3s to trade. If you were then you and i both know that the trading of EDM MP3s was equivalant to the tech boom on the 90s....It made the whole scene explode into a scene that crosses all borders and walks off life...something it did not do as much of in the past. Because of MP3s people are travelling the world to see DJs and go to events...something that was seldom prior. DJs are playing Stadium shows ect etc.

Yet like the tech boom of the 90s which is dieing, people are now on some ethical battle to stop the spread of MP3 trading because it hurts the producers...well where were these self proclaimed moral adovcates of the law when the producers, they feel so sad for, were happy as hell to have their tracks passed everywhere for free...

Producers will always get payed....think of MP3s as free distribution and advertising....without them people would not be attending the shows of today like Innercity, TE, Sensation etc etc etc because they probally would not even exist....

EDM producers, for the most part, don't sell enough CDs to make that much anyway. And it has nothing to do with MP3 trading. For someone to make money in the music industry they have to sell a wicked amount of CDs/records etc..an amount that EDM producers just will not make in today's world. Maybe down the road - who knows. But it has zero to do with MP3s.

Like i said..without the trading of MP3s you would have half the producers u have today...because they would fizzle out...no one would ever hear of them. We would not have tranceaddict..because let's be real here..we all stumbled on tranceaddict while we were sifting through places to score live sets or singles. You want to bury your head in the sand and deny it..then so be it.

I can't go on anymore....

I'm still waiting for someone to show me proof that JetGrooves has ever sold a track illegaly to anyone. I guess because i'm against bashing a company that may or may not be engaging in illegal activity that must mean i'm for ripping off artists. I don't see how the connection is made...

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Originally posted by Radagast I'm still waiting for someone to show me proof that JetGrooves has ever sold a track illegaly to anyone. I guess because i'm against bashing a company that may or may not be engaging in illegal activity that must mean i'm for ripping off artists. I don't see how the connection is made...

Whether or not they actually sold a track they didn't have a license for, they still had samples of unlicensed tracks which in itself is illegal. And you have to admit that breaking the law to promote the company is a shady business practice.

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Originally posted by flavdave Whether or not they actually sold a track they didn't have a license for, they still had samples of unlicensed tracks which in itself is illegal. And you have to admit that breaking the law to promote the company is a shady business practice.

Whether or not they actually sold a track they didn't have a license for, it bothers me that people are hailing the persecution of this company as some kind of epic battle we need to wage on music piracy by attacking it. Making JetGrooves remove some tracks from their database is not going to stop or even slow down the proliferation of unlicenced tracks across the internet. Few things would be able to.

And another thing, do these artists have any kind of documented copyrights on their unlicenced tracks? Because while they still have an automatic copyright on their original works, unless they register for a copyright complaining is useless since they have no concrete legal recourse to infringement. If it isn't registered, a copyright is much more difficult to enforce because the burden of proof is on the owner to show the amount of damages, something almost impossible to do. I don't really think JetGrooves has much to fear from the unlicenced artists too much...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 OH! SO i have never seen you in the tracklist room on TA helping with tracklists to live sets? Let me guess you paid for your live sets. After you downloaded them you felt so guilty and felt you had to vindicate yourself from such a low moral crime that you dipped deep into your pockets, past the lint, for money and sent it to the producers? Look, let's be straight shooters hear for a moment. Can you actualy argue the fact that MP3s made this music bigger then it ever was or gave the oppurtunity for bedroom DJs to finally break out and get on labels? Maybe you are too young to remember what it was like when there was no MP3s to trade. If you were then you and i both know that the trading of EDM MP3s was equivalant to the tech boom on the 90s....It made the whole scene explode into a scene that crosses all borders and walks off life...something it did not do as much of in the past. Because of MP3s people are travelling the world to see DJs and go to events...something that was seldom prior. DJs are playing Stadium shows ect etc. Yet like the tech boom of the 90s which is dieing, people are now on some ethical battle to stop the spread of MP3 trading because it hurts the producers...well where were these self proclaimed moral adovcates of the law when the producers, they feel so sad for, were happy as hell to have their tracks passed everywhere for free... Producers will always get payed....think of MP3s as free distribution and advertising....without them people would not be attending the shows of today like Innercity, TE, Sensation etc etc etc because they probally would not even exist.... EDM producers, for the most part, don't sell enough CDs to make that much anyway. And it has nothing to do with MP3 trading. For someone to make money in the music industry they have to sell a wicked amount of CDs/records etc..an amount that EDM producers just will not make in today's world. Maybe down the road - who knows. But it has zero to do with MP3s. Like i said..without the trading of MP3s you would have half the producers u have today...because they would fizzle out...no one would ever hear of them. We would not have tranceaddict..because let's be real here..we all stumbled on tranceaddict while we were sifting through places to score live sets or singles. You want to bury your head in the sand and deny it..then so be it. I can't go on anymore....

If you knew anything about the guy, you'd know he was stuck on 56k for life due to living in a remote part of the country so doesn't willingly go out and download stuff for the sake of it. He spends a fortune on vinyl each week anyway, so even if he does hear some livesets at some point, at least he's contributing. That isn't part of this discussion though, it's not a case of mp3s being good bad or other, but that a company is using ripping groups to get hold of stuff and then wanting to sell them on for a profit to themselves, with no money going to each producer or label. Just because some of these producers are also known because of the internet and mp3s is another case you bring up, but whether a big or small name, it all takes their time & patience, and they deserve the common decency of at least being asked about stuff before it being advertised.

This discussion is giving me diarrhea. Ooops - gots to run....

Obviously those of you that are feeling sorry for JetGroove don't know any artists and most certainly don't have any friends that are artists. If you do you're a sorry ass friend to them. You should go flush your head in a toilet because everything coming out of your mouth is shit.

For the last fuckin time...this isn't about you the consumer being able to download whatever the hell you feel like because it's a free world and by golly you feel entitled to it. It's about protecting the artists that aren't out there selling their tracks and someone else is. Some of the tracks were downloaded right off of TA's amateur forum and then turned around and put on their site as a licensed track. What kind of shit is that? The point is that they put up tracks with the public under the impression that the tracks were licensed and up for sale with the artists consent and claiming the artist was being compensated. This is grounds for a lawsuit against any artist that sampled anything from a track that is copyrighted. Who wants to deal with having to prove that you in fact did not consent to your music being on these moronic people's website and that the track was never intended to be sold for profit. We all know that what they are doing behind the scenes doesn't mean shit when the bottom line is that it is false advertising. The people at JetGroove are obviously stupid and don't know what the hell they are talking about when they posted on their FAQ that ALL of the tracks on their site are licensed and legally able to be downloaded. That is a blatant LIE. Even an 8 year old can understand that...so why can't any of you? If you can't understand how that is wrong you should go put yourself in time out because you really shouldn't be trying to talk to people on the internet.

I sent them a Cease and Desist letter. If what they were doing was ok as all you seem to think then why did they remove all of the tracks that I referenced and apologize for the false advertising? A good company would have researched the music that they were attempting to sell to make sure that their statements were accurate and true BEFORE putting it up on the internet.

Feel free to continue to post about why you think it's ok to fuck artists at every chance people can get. Without them you wouldn't have any music to download. I'm done with this thread because there are just far too many stupid people posting in it.

Good riddance. I think the average IQ of the thread just went up by 50.

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Originally posted by Radagast Good riddance. I think the average IQ of the thread just went up by 50.

*LOL* Man, she just left herself wide open on that one! Yo' TB, you gots to chill a li'l bit, girl! 'Cease and Desist' letter ?!? Now even I wanna make fun of you! People are just stating opinions - no need to get your panties all up in a bunch 'coz Radagast's view completely opposes yours (I think ya'll are both mad, but that's for a different thread.....oh, nevermind). Well, hope you have a nice day

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Originally posted by Buddhistics *LOL* Man, she just left herself wide open on that one! Yo' TB, you gots to chill a li'l bit, girl! 'Cease and Desist' letter ?!? Now even I wanna make fun of you! People are just stating opinions - no need to get your panties all up in a bunch 'coz Radagast's view completely opposes yours (I think ya'll are both mad, but that's for a different thread.....oh, nevermind). Well, hope you have a nice day

Yes genius...a C & D letter. What would you have sent? A "please be nice to me and take down the tracks...kiss ass...kiss ass" letter? Fuck that. Go study law like I did and educate yourself and then come back and we will chat. Being assertive works wonders and actually requires little effort if you know what you are doing. He wanted the tracks removed and now they have been.

Feel free to make fun of me. It would mean absolutely nothing to me. I didn't leave myself open for shit. I don't know either one of you so do you really think I would care about anything you said about me as a person when you don't even know me?

I wear g-strings not "panties" so please find a new phrase to use that doesn't have 80's written all over it.

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Originally posted by trancebrat I wear g-strings not "panties" so please find a new phrase to use that doesn't have 80's written all over it.

Pics?

Yeah, she doesn't need her panties to be in a bunch, she already has a string in her ass crack. Of course as we all know, a g-string is much more sophisticated and less slutty than those panties only old women and Radagast wears. AHGOODAYTOOYOUSAH!!

*sigh* another thread turned flame war. closed.

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