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Originally posted by torontotrance more deejays hate one another than you realize. Ask Derrick May, why about 8 producers want to beat his ass in because he blacklisted them from detroit. Ask Richie Hawtin, why he and Dave Clarke always have to get into fistfights, when they are around each other.

sorry for my ignorance.

but is there really a genre hate going on as bad as every TA says among djs? the last few breaks djs i saw all appreciate trance to a certain extent. basically what they said to me is there are certain elements they like from it (obviously the better productions) even though they said they won't spin it for various reasons. as for what breaks djs i refer to, they were hyper, phil k, luke chable, plump djs.. mainly those

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Originally posted by kron and whoever said skilled = scratching/mixing with long transitions or 20 tracks in an hour. no offense but that's the most ridiculous bullshit i've heard. many people would like to hear more of the track in a compilation than only 3-4 mins of it. and most djs would like to have most of the track played in their compilation (with exception for some tracks)..

I don't expect you to know what basic skills make a good DJ. If I want to hear more than 3-4 mins of a track i'll buy it. Otherwise I want to hear it skillfully used.

No, because people love lists no matter what is being listed.

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Originally posted by Radagast I don't expect you to know what basic skills make a good DJ. If I want to hear more than 3-4 mins of a track i'll buy it. Otherwise I want to hear it skillfully used.

compilation is not a display of skills. if you read, the person who said he wouldnt buy a mixed album with less than 20 tracks in an hour. live gigs are chances for djs to display their skills. people expect perfect mixing in compilations but it's not a full out skill display, if it were, the crazy tricks and fx would have come in. and compilations are aimed to general public too, and not just people who know a lot about it. most people would like to have the full taste of the tracks. of course, that's only my own opinion.

I dunno. But DJ Boomer for #1 spot in 04' W0000T!

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Originally posted by kron compilation is not a display of skills. if you read, the person who said he wouldnt buy a mixed album with less than 20 tracks in an hour. live gigs are chances for djs to display their skills. people expect perfect mixing in compilations but it's not a full out skill display, if it were, the crazy tricks and fx would have come in. and compilations are aimed to general public too, and not just people who know a lot about it. most people would like to have the full taste of the tracks. of course, that's only my own opinion.

It was me, and I meant at least 20 tracks in an hour on average in anything, mix album or dj set. Playing tracks end to end =! DJing.

My mate Sasha threatened to take my head off with his vinyl if I didn't vote for him, so I did!

It's funny, they claim last years results were only determined from 60,000 votes... So, I guess, if I have all the 40,000+ daily visitors see a popup that tells them to vote for someone that it would skew the results.

Imagine, Swamper debuts at #21, with 0 sets to his credit!




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It's stupid, it's dumb to waiste all that money on a list like that. It's pathetic that dj's spam your mailbox full of 'Vote for me!' , 'Vote for me!'... What is this? American president elections? If it's going at this rate in a few years everything will be just as crazy as in the U.S. right now!

If Tiesto/Armin/PvD will make it to the number one spot, I will not start to like them more or something. I think only clubs use the DJ Mag-list as a standard to know which DJ's they have to book if they wanna lure in the crowd. Maybe that's the only confirmed purpose of this list.

But...I did vote.... So I've sinned a little bit.

well i live in israel and here most of the people dont know anyone except from tiesto wich is very famous here apparently..
i think that the chart is very important here also for promoters to know who's hot
and for people like me of course...if i go to an event with armin and my i'll tell my friends he is number 3 at the dj's yearly chart they will know it can be a great gig...

anyway i was wondering if the djmag party tonight is broadcasted anywhere....

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Originally posted by Radagast You were right. It was meant to be hypnotic, repetitive, trippy, spacey, thereby having the ability to "take listeners to another state of conciousness". In other words a trance, hence the name "Trance". Now you may say that epic/anthem trance has just as much of an ability to do this...but I don't understand how music that is constantly trying to tug at your emotions can entrance you. You may be in a state of temporary emotional elevation, which is different from being in an "entranced" state.

I find that emotional appeals in songs help the listeners become more susceptable to the magic of of the repitition. Its like a hypnotitst gaining your trust before they do anything to you, the better they get you to let your inhibitions down, the more likely you are to reach an ascended state.

Repitition on its own is not enough to entrance most people, just like most people can't get hypnotised unless they want to be hypnotised. The listener has to let the trance happen to them, but they are much less likely to do this when they don't like the song being played. If repitition is too boring or not pleasant to the listener, they will just ignore it and no trance will happen. Good trances must also grab the listener's attention and hold onto it through the loops. I think producers are trying all sorts of different things in order to grab people's attention, sometimes they end up annoying people instead.

Supersaws were great at grabbing attention and getting people to become entranced by the remainder of the song, but I guess when things started turning into all supersaw and no looping then something got lost.

Perhaps the problem is that the music has turned into nothing but an attempt to grab attention and has lost the hypnotic repetition quality that people are missing.


So what is the acceptable balance of attention grabbing/entrancing that is worthy of respect? I think thats a question everybody has to answer for themselves, but for me I think salt tank - eugina has a nearly perfect balance of the two. Tiesto - obsession isnt too far off the mark either. But System F - out of the blue is too far on the attention grabbing side and it makes it sound like some disney movie shit or something. It kinda depends on what kinda mood yer in too I guess, cuz sometimes I can enjoy stuff that is much more repetitive, all I really need is something remotely interesting or unique to enjoy a songs entrancing aspects.

I find that some sort of emotional tugging is helpful for entrancing a person, maybe thats just me tho.

Anywho, youve been very helpful, thanks for teh info.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I find that emotional appeals in songs help the listeners become more susceptable to the magic of of the repitition. Its like a hypnotitst gaining your trust before they do anything to you, the better they get you to let your inhibitions down, the more likely you are to reach an ascended state.

I won't repeat myself.

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Repitition on its own is not enough to entrance most people, just like most people can't get hypnotised unless they want to be hypnotised. The listener has to let the trance happen to them, but they are much less likely to do this when they don't like the song being played. If repitition is too boring or not pleasant to the listener, they will just ignore it and no trance will happen.

Yeah, most people didn't and don't like classic trance. It wasn't meant to be liked by most people.

To them, classic trance sounds disaffected, repetitive, formless and boring. Without any of the pop tricks to give it some sort of chorus climax that they can sing along to, it is definitely an acquired taste. It basically sounded like techno, only with melody instead of percussion.

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Good trances must also grab the listener's attention and hold onto it through the loops.

Okay...

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Supersaws were great at grabbing attention and getting people to become entranced by the remainder of the song, but I guess when things started turning into all supersaw and no looping then something got lost.

Yes, huge sing along melodies are good at attracting more people.

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Perhaps the problem is that the music has turned into nothing but an attempt to grab attention and has lost the hypnotic repetition quality that people are missing.

You could put it that way, yes.

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So what is the acceptable balance of attention grabbing/entrancing that is worthy of respect? It kinda depends on what kinda mood yer in too I guess, cuz sometimes I can enjoy stuff that is much more repetitive, all I really need is something remotely interesting or unique to enjoy a songs entrancing aspects.

You need a pop melody to enjoy the good part of a track. I expect that from you and most of the people on these forums.

Trance was always attention grabbing, interesting, and unique between 90 and 97. Most people just prefer pop music though, so they ignored trance until, again, it turned into the pop music of EDM between '97 and 2000.

dj's...artists?

I have to say, I've never really viewed dj's as "artists"... I like the older title of "M.C.", really... Because that's what they are- the "Master of Ceremonies". During the task of dj'ing, they are more like editors and hosts than artists. The ones who produce, I count as artists, but only for the work that they do independently of spinning. Of course, there are some dj's who play inspired sets, but it's like giving an art-gallery curator more attention than the people who slaved over the actual paintings that are on display.
What annoys me the most is when certain compilation publishers put out mixed cd's and they don't provide a breakdown of track/artist... talk about arrogance.

I think dj-ing got this divine aura around it just because it evolved within a milieu where our human emotions are stimulated and toyed with for our own pleasure (this is what good music does) in very intense ways, and when you make it a group experience (at a rave or a club) the effect is amplified. For many people, this almost 'religious' experience/ emotional epiphany, is a novelty and something very powerful...I think it led ppl to invest more adoration in the leader of the religious experience (dj) than he ever really deserved. Also, if the field had not been so male-dominated since its inception, the world would not have been so eager to gush over the notables as "artists". In the fields where women predominate as coordinators, they are not called "artists", but retail managers, housewives, and office secretaries... yet they do the same job, essentially, that a dj does (P.R., cheerleading, organization).
By the way, I have dj'd, and I know it's not that hard, compared to composing and producing songs. I think the main function of dj'ing is to provide trance musicians/businessmen with a type of vertical integration that allows them to finance their creative work and also promote it. Which is a good thing.

i think some excellent posts have been contributed so far i this thread, and some dumb ass posts as well.

when i first started listening, nobody around me listent to EDM. i got a hold of the list, saw who was popular, got some of their tunes, and decided for myself. it helped me to see who was doing something right, and who wasnt.

the list provides the same info to me that a good compilation does. it shows me who is worthy of listenting to or not. the choice in the end is yours, its just a guide.

i think it should be kept.

there is no sense crying about about who is #1 or not, what bearing on the world does it have anyways? it is NOT like the US elections. Tiesto will not be able to bomb another country, and change the lives of 300 million people. he can only change the lives of people who allow him to do so(followers/fans)

im not sure why people get so emotional over this poll.

1) just because your fav djs is not #1, does not mean they are good/bad. you should like them regardless of what others think. do you really need to be part of that crowd that bad?

2) when they say "best dj in the world", its just a phrase. Any award show will say the same thing. Its just saying who was able to be most popular, and by popularity they are sying, well liked. Somebody can be considered the best, because they have connected with the most people. wheather you agree or not, doesnt matter, its just temporary stamp for that point in time.

3) if you dont like the dj/act/artist, dont vote, and dont listen to them. you are bound to disagree with the rankings in some way. but does it mean you should complain? why not give some feedback as to why you think somebody jumped, or dropped...productions/sets/influence over the last year. you may just inspire somebody else to listen to a dj you are rooting for.

4) if you dont like it stfu

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