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Originally posted by Massive84 Hmm, replace the word Arafat with Sharon, much more realistic.

replace both, bush, saddam, bin laden and loads more and we might have a world worth living in

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Originally posted by tribu who are you to say the same?

That is exactly my point!!!

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Would have never happened if it wasn't for the "liberation" groups such as Hamas, IJ, and others. It wasn't always this bad, and in fact in the mid 90s there was relative peace until as I recall a bomb on a bus threw the entire process out. As far as I am concerned they create their own problems. There can't be retraint on the Israeli side while the palestinians throw a sign of peace with one hand while having their other hand behind their back on a detonator. Peace doesn't work this way.

There would be no Hamas or arafat or suicide bombers if the Zionists didnt steal their land.

Isreal being created was creating a problem for itself.

BTW

Guess who helped shape today�s modern form of Terrorism?

Not the Muslims but our persecuted friends from Israel.

When?

When British and American troops occupied and secured the Middle East land for Israel in 1944.

The Jews at the time wanted more and began a strategic campaign of terrorism to expand their boundaries. They believed that in stability brought froth through terrorism would help expel the Americans the Brits form the land and pursue their ambitious cause of Zionism. The plan succeeded.


Many British soldiers died from this terrorist campaign brought forth from the Jews. The British governments saw no method to stop this and decide it would be best to leave. America left soon after the British withdrawal.


But let�s not blame all our problems today on Jews. Its also the American political machine. There large efforts to stop communism helped create the very sophisticated form of terrorism we see today in the middle east; Russia; and Afghanistan.

You make your own connection between Jews, Capitalism, Communism, and the American Political Machine. : clown:


P.S.

Remeber Communism in the pure Carl Marx form. Not the Stalin Communism. Their is a large difference.

One is democratic the other is fascist.

Lets just stop trying to blame each other shall we.

I just want to see world peace before I die. Call me a hippie u war mongering fucks, but hey.. who gives a shit..

"It is in your(man) nature to destroy one another"

I want this statement to be proven wrong.

Btw

The economists wrote a great piece on Carl Marx two years ago. It praised his ideology and spoke how many people misunderstood his teachings.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza If Israel wanted peace this terrorist act shouldn't have changed anything. Again, you fail to see what the true goal is for the Israeli government lead by Fat Jew Sharon; Zionism not peace. So 1 bomb that killed 15 people gives reason for Israel to persecute an entire Palestine people If this rationale isn't making the problem worse than than call me anti-semetic That is what is so ironic. A people so familiar with persecution use it against others.

It is not the 15 people killed. It is with that single act knowing that the militants in Palestine will never stop killing Israelis ever. Their groups are not about liberation, they are about the destruction of Israel, they have said this numerous times. If they said they will never stop then what do you do? Make peace and then just live with the fact that they will continue to blow up your civlians forever?

Cyrus, you can't steal what was first yours to begin with.

What was first theirs??

What? When MOSES took his brigade and say "Hey, this is our land"??

There is no such thing as.. this land belongs to the jews.. or this land belongs to muslims or crap like that.


Learn to share

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil It is not the 15 people killed. It is with that single act knowing that the militants in Palestine will never stop killing Israelis ever. Their groups are not about liberation, they are about the destruction of Israel, they have said this numerous times.

I spoke to a lot of Jews @ my university and they just hate the Palestinian people. This is a deep and profound form of racism by the Jews. So again it�s not just one sided story.

This was a quick excuse for Sharon to exit out of the peace plans. He wanted to show the world he was trying to attain peace but cleverly pulled out of peace accord after a small terrorist act. Clever man indeed.

Jews are clever people. They don't hold important positions in the world because they are stupid. Praise the cleverness of the Jew and you become anti-Semitic. But you pity their plight and you�re a great person. Duplicity at its finest.

There is a big difference between hate and acting on your hate. I hate a lot of people but I don't kill their families because of it.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil There is a big difference between hate and acting on your hate. I hate a lot of people but I don't kill their families because of it.

Hate is the root of all evil. Learn to love and understand. This is the greatest achievement mankind can ever make.

I wish Jews would understand this. But than again they can't because this is the message of Christ

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Originally posted by Cyrus King That is exactly my point!!!

Glad we agree

I take back my statement.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Hate is the root of all evil. Learn to love and understand. This is the greatest achievement mankind can ever make. I wish Jews would understand this. But than again they can't because this is the message of Christ

Free choice is the ultimate root of all evil; never forget that.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Free choice is the ultimate root of all evil; never forget that.

agreed.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} are you leaving?

Oh god...that was better than sex.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Free choice is the ultimate root of all evil; never forget that.

You must be Jewish

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil It is not the 15 people killed. It is with that single act knowing that the militants in Palestine will never stop killing Israelis ever. Their groups are not about liberation, they are about the destruction of Israel, they have said this numerous times. If they said they will never stop then what do you do? Make peace and then just live with the fact that they will continue to blow up your civlians forever? Cyrus, you can't steal what was first yours to begin with.

The jews were the first and ONLY people in that land????

Do you think we should forget the INDEGINOUS population that existed theree for thousands of years. Are you telling me these Russian, estonian, morracan, chzech, polish, Lithianian, Romanian, and Hungarian jews that make up the population of Israel more deserving of what was once PALESTINE??? Were these people and their ancestors there for thousands of years?? I dont think so

The Palestinian populace... as well as PALESTINE were there for thousands of years. They are ARAB.. in an ARAB region of the world.

Even if it was the land of the JEws 2000 years ago.. does that give them a right to re-claim that land???? Whatever

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Originally posted by Cyrus King The jews were the first and ONLY people in that land???? I think we should forget the INDEGINOUS population that existed theree for thousands of years. Are you telling me these Russian, estonian, morracan, chzech, polish, Lithianian, Romanian, and Hungarian jews that make up the population of Israel more deserving of what was once PALESTINE??? Were these people and their ancestors there for thousands of years?? I dont think so The Palestinian populace... as well as PALESTINE were there for thousands of years. They are ARAB.. in an ARAB region of the world. Even if it was the land of the JEws 2000 years ago.. does that give them a right to re-claim that land???? Whatever

I quite agree. Our history as humankind has been rash with takeover of both society and land. Telling the Plaestinian people that they must leave and/or reorganize was akin to telling the Americans/Canadians/Latinos/South Americans that they must now leave, and that the entire American land mass was now only for those with "Native" blood in them. Totally ridiculous.

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Originally posted by tribu I quite agree. Our history as humankind has been rash with takeover of both society and land. Telling the Plaestinian people that they must leave and/or reorganize was akin to telling the Americans/Canadians/Latinos/South Americans that they must now leave, and that the entire American land mass was now only for those with "Native" blood in them. Totally ridiculous.

But how did America solve the same problem 200 years ago ?

'Manifest Density'. The document that rationalized the killing of all Indians West of the Appalachian mountains.

Remember the slogan of the times 'One Nation Under God '


But this killing campaign couldn�t work when they encountered the Mexicans in the South. They're were just to many of them

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza But how did America solve the same problem 200 years ago ? 'Manifest Density'. The document that rationalized the killing of all Indians West of the Appalachian mountains. Remember the slogan of the times 'One Nation Under God ' But this killing campaign couldn�t work when they encountered the Mexicans in the South. They're were just to many of them

dave, i think you are addicted to the

that shit is no good for you, you should leave it alone

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Originally posted by tu_face dave, i think you are addicted to the that shit is no good for you, you should leave it alone

J/K

I'll stop using it

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza J/K I'll stop using it

lol, good for you. a week or so more and it would have been rehab

And now the Indians have settled for reclaiming some of their tribal land in court and are winning without bloodshed, and I know this because here they own two of the largest casinos on the planet on their reclaimed land and more groups are following. We covered this in more detail in the PF.

In response to Cyrus. No I don't think the Israelis should have right just because they were there first, but one has to realize too this isn't just any ordinary piece of land like anywhere else on the globe. This is the holiest place for 3 major religions and they all claim the land as theirs. The population in the area was NOT all palestinians before the 1940's. In fact there was a large portion of Jews and Christians living in the land before the 1900s. In fact leading up to the 1940's, Jews and Christians comprised nearly 40% of the total population in the area. After the war the immigration just increased dramatically. The territorial borders in the 1900's changed dramatically as the Ottoman empire was dissolved and countries where created so when you talk about this land being theirs, well in the sense that they lived there yes but it was controlled by so many rulers and empires until the mid 1900s that it really was no country.

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An Anglo-American commission of inquiry in 1945 and 1946 examined the status of Palestine. No official census figures were available, as no census had been conducted in Palestine in 1940, so all their surmises and figures are based on extrapolations and surmises. According to the report, at the end of 1946, 1,269,000 Arabs and 608,000 Jews resided within the borders of Mandate Palestine. Jews had purchased 6 to 8 percent of the total land area of Palestine. This was about 20% of the land that could be settled and cultivated. About 46% of the land belonged to Arab owners living on the land or absentee owners, and about the same amount was government land. The partition borders were drawn to give the Jews a majority within the allotted area of the Jewish state, but the land conquered during the fighting included the populous Arab areas of the Galilee, as well as Arab towns such as Lod and Ramla. Greater Jersusalem, which was to be internationalized, included about 100,000 Jews and a larger number of Arabs.

the only thing thats going to bring peace is a miracle. nothing else.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil but one has to realize too this isn't just any ordinary piece of land like anywhere else on the globe. This is the holiest place for 3 major religions and they all claim the land as theirs.

The message of Christ exists without temples, high priests, land or other symbols. This was the difference between the message of Christ and the teachings of the Jewish faith. Christians should see no value in the Middle East. For the faith is based on word of God and the action you take. This is the true beauty of the Christian faith; existing without dependency of others or things.

The New Testament can be found in your local library. I highly recommend you read through it for the writing does not lie. The message will be clear.

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