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Originally posted by X RichieRich X this train is never late! hop on board the elitist express!

Yes, I think all the elitists here should just shut themselves up. Is it so difficult for you to just passively let your favorite genre of music get shredded and mass-marketed? I don't see what the problem is.

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Originally posted by memusa right...but labeling everything that's played on GDJB as mcprog is inaccurate.

No, I totally agree. It's factually incorrect to say everything on GDJB is McProg. It isn't. I listen to GDJB sets from DJs I like. But that doesn't diminish the fact that the majority of what Markus plays each week in his own sets falls into that category.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox One mans trash is another mans treasure

Relativism has limits. It's true that there are differences in taste. But that does not mean there is no such thing as objective quality. If that were the case, then even "the elite" here would not be able to agree on what is good and what isn't. But that's not the case; very often those with more experience in trance have similar opinions, as is the case with McProg and ASOT.

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Originally posted by Massive84 A great example is Steven Hayes from TA IMO. I hardly download sets from TA, but i tried his Violet crown sessions, and it really blew me away.

WOW. Thanks Massive!

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Originally posted by Cobalt Yes, I think all the elitists here should just shut themselves up. Is it so difficult for you to just passively let your favorite genre of music get shredded and mass-marketed? I don't see what the problem is.

is it so difficult for you understand that people are enjoying what they are doing? i being one of em. like i have said in some previous posts if you dont like it, is it so hard for you to move on and find something you do like? there lies you're problem. i dont have the problem, you apparently do.

if you go to a party, and you dont like the atmosphere, do you stay and make everyone who is enjoying themselves miserable? or, do you leave and find a party that is more suited for you?

I really don't bash anyone anymore about Tracklists because its really the DJ's preference. I simply won't listen if I don't like it. Secondly, I think people are kinda pissed in the direction Markus went. I mean GDJB used to be fresh and great progressive. Ever since Markus hooked up with Armin on Armada its like Markus' productions weren't so special anymore and the songs he plays are not original anymore. I liked Markus' style about a year ago, then he just got up and changed, and it lost my interest. I just wish DJ's nowadays would stick to their guns and do it their way instead of changing because they get bored. I think "boredom" is the dumbest mask of an excuse because I think most DJ's just change to what everyone else is playing so they gain popularity. (ie: Schulz)

-Steve

I think people should stop refering to it as Mcprog, Its very insulting to those producers, Who work there asses off day and night providing some great tunes, Calling this McProg, Is like someone calling certain types of trance, Cheese, Personally, I think its unfair and unruly to stereotype this music, For all I care, Its still progressive, Whether its has a trance or house vibe thrown into it.

When i first started listening to gdjb about a year and half ago, markus's sets were really drawing me in. He played awesome tunes like sultan and tonedepth's remix of valentino's flying. His sets about two year ago are nothing like what it is now. probspot does make good tunes but they really do sound the fucking same. its a shame that most djs change styles but markus's style has certainly changed against my taste.

SO yes about two years ago, markus was definitely playing some good prog.With all taht being said, for all of you ******s who label the music he plays as mcprog, thats the equivalent to all the ignorant people who label edm as techno and cheese. YOu guys really are a bunch of hypocrites. If you don't like it, don't listen to it.

When will this annoying, elitist and trite attitide stop? For example I can't listen to Goa/Hardstyle/Hardcore garbage, but you don't see me whining about it in every thread. You don't even see me put my intolerance into my sigs or avatars. If you don't like it, don't fucking listen to it! There are plenty of people who like it and your girlish bitching and moaning will only annoy the fuck out of the others and show how close-minded you are.

Now let me put on some of that good ole "mcprog". I love that stuff.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 When will this annoying, elitist and trite attitide stop? For example I can't listen to Goa/Hardstyle/Hardcore garbage, but you don't see me whining about it in every thread. You don't even see me put my intolerance into my sigs or avatars. If you don't like it, don't fucking listen to it! There are plenty of people who like it and your girlish bitching and moaning will only annoy the fuck out of the others and show how close-minded you are. Now let me put on some of that good ole "mcprog". I love that stuff.

You are absolutely right about that, There are certain styles music that I hate, But you never see me post my hatred about them on the boards, Thats something that should be kept personal and private.

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Originally posted by X RichieRich X is it so difficult for you understand that people are enjoying what they are doing? i being one of em. like i have said in some previous posts if you dont like it, is it so hard for you to move on and find something you do like? there lies you're problem. i dont have the problem, you apparently do. if you go to a party, and you dont like the atmosphere, do you stay and make everyone who is enjoying themselves miserable? or, do you leave and find a party that is more suited for you?

Actually, it is that difficult. You're assuming that there's perfect knowledge and access to music. When a particular genre is flooded by a sound like that of American Progressive or ASOT, the minority sounds still attached to that genre becomes much more difficult to find. This is the current state of trance for me, and others on the board. I search through record shops. I listen to a variety of sets. But I have to sift through an increasingly large volume of material that sounds the same, that is diminishing in quality. It's not so simple that people who don't like American Progressive and Dutch Trance can simply get up and leave for something else, because all the available distribution channels are filled with the stuff. It becomes increasingly frustrating as time goes on, particularly when one feels that better material is becoming unjustly buried. So naturally myself and others will put up a fight and speak out against it.

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Originally posted by TigerClaw I think people should stop refering to it as Mcprog, Its very insulting to those producers, Who work there asses off day and night providing some great tunes, Calling this McProg, Is like someone calling certain types of trance, Cheese, Personally, I think its unfair and unruly to stereotype this music, For all I care, Its still progressive, Whether its has a trance or house vibe thrown into it.

American progressive. American progressive!

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 When will this annoying, elitist and trite attitide stop? For example I can't listen to Goa/Hardstyle/Hardcore garbage, but you don't see me whining about it in every thread. You don't even see me put my intolerance into my sigs or avatars. If you don't like it, don't fucking listen to it! There are plenty of people who like it and your girlish bitching and moaning will only annoy the fuck out of the others and show how close-minded you are.

There are entirely different means of access to Goa, Hardstyle, Hardcore, etc. That's not the case with American Progressive and Dutch Trance, which are occupying and replacing the same space that (imo) better trance used to occupy. There are few readily available alternatives to turn to, where there once were. Naturally we will express frustration with this in the places we are used to discussing it, such as Trance Addict.

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Originally posted by Cobalt American progressive. American progressive!

How about just calling it progressive, Plain and simple.

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Originally posted by Ory I'm just sick of seeing "OMG CH00N!!!" being said about every single mediocre track played on said radio shows, and then whine about DJ Sammy being cheesy. To anyone who does it; fuck off. Your taste in music sucks and so do you.

You seem to have the exact same mentality as them, if not worse.

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Originally posted by TigerClaw How about just calling it progressive, Plain and simple.

See my custom status. I just obsess over subgenres. Their emergence and development fascinates me.

But also, people need labels to concisely communicate something they are talking about. For quite some time people merely said "melodic progressive like Gabriel & Dresden". It becomes tiresome over the long term to say that.

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Originally posted by Cobalt See my custom status. I just obsess over subgenres. Their emergence and development fascinates me. But also, people need labels to concisely communicate something they are talking about. For quite some time people merely said "melodic progressive like Gabriel & Dresden". It becomes tiresome over the long term to say that.

everytime I record the shows and then write the ID3 tags on the mp3 files, Theres never a Progressive Trance or a Progressive House lable in them, So for Markus Schulz, I always put it as Trance.

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Originally posted by Cobalt But also, people need labels to concisely communicate something they are talking about. For quite some time people merely said "melodic progressive like Gabriel & Dresden". It becomes tiresome over the long term to say that.

I agree...American Progressive is a well suited label instead of the insulting and childish "mcprog" label.

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Originally posted by memusa I agree...American Progressive is a well suited label instead of the insulting and childish "mcprog" label.

The same can be said for UK Progressive, Or Dutch Progressive?

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Originally posted by TigerClaw everytime I record the shows and then write the ID3 tags on the mp3 files, Theres never a Progressive Trance or a Progressive House lable in them, So for Markus Schulz, I always put it as Trance.

Which technically speaking, is correct. But it's not very useful for genre wonks. A bit like telling an entymologist "well, they're all butterfiles, why do you bother labeling them?" It's for purposes of communication.

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Originally posted by Cobalt There are entirely different means of access to Goa, Hardstyle, Hardcore, etc. That's not the case with American Progressive and Dutch Trance, which are occupying and replacing the same space that (imo) better trance used to occupy. There are few readily available alternatives to turn to, where there once were. Naturally we will express frustration with this in the places we are used to discussing it, such as Trance Addict.

I have listened to plenty of Goa/Hardstyle/Hardcore stuff before, I tried to like it but it still sounded horribly to me. It is not like I listened to two-three tracks and put a "bad" label on it. Those people who want to find their favorite genre, will find it. I do not agree with the whole "replacement" concept. There were a whole bunch of threads like this in the past, and the whole "McProg" gets beaten to death. They say that "mcprog" is unoriginal, meanwhile, they are being unoriginal in their criticisms. Same old whining. Kind of being hypocritical, isn't it?

P.S. I like your custom title.

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Originally posted by TigerClaw The same can be said for UK Progressive, Or Dutch Progressive?

Not really, because there are similarities among most other global progressive producers that you don't find in the American market. It's a very tight knit sound that has gained its own direction.

wow don't even take into consideration the fact that these producers and djs are trying to contribute to the edm community. cuz i see how all of u who are bashing "mcprog" are doing so much to contribute yourself.

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Originally posted by TigerClaw The same can be said for UK Progressive, Or Dutch Progressive?

The label seems appropriate because US producers are the ones who pretty much put a stamp and set a mark in this sound.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Which technically speaking, is correct. But it's not very useful for genre wonks. A bit like telling an entymologist "well, they're all butterfiles, why do you bother labeling them?" It's for purposes of communication.

The reason why my tags say trance on them, Cause to me, They have very trancy elements on the tracks, I cant put it as house cause they obviously dont have housey type of vibes on the tracks, When a track is overpowered with trancey synths, I have no choice but to lable how it sounds like to me.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 I have listened to plenty of Goa/Hardstyle/Hardcore stuff before, I tried to like it but it still sounded horribly to me. It is not like I listened to two-three tracks and put a "bad" label on it. Those people who want to find their favorite genre, will find it. I do not agree with the whole "replacement" concept. There were a whole bunch of threads like this in the past, and the whole "McProg" gets beaten to death. They say that "mcprog" is unoriginal, meanwhile, they are being unoriginal in their criticisms. Same old whining. Kind of being hypocritical, isn't it?

at least someone is reading my posts.

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