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Originally posted by Jayx1 Thanks mom! Actually i believe ontario law says that real cheese must ALWAYS be used on pizzas (to protect the dairy farmers) so there goes that conspiracy theory.

Ok...you keep believing that one...after all why would any corp have lobbyist around to ensure processed cheese is sold.

How does that micky D commercial go again....ahem...."with real processed cheese". Yum

Then keep stuffing yourself and enjoy.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Uh... it must be a cloudy day?

How disappointing....I was sure you'd argue it was pitch black.

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Originally posted by b4k-oz Ok...you keep believing that one...after all why would any corp have lobbyist around to ensure processed cheese is sold. How does that micky D commercial go again....ahem...."with real processed cheese". Yum Then keep stuffing yourself and enjoy.

Mcdonalds sells pizza?

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Originally posted by b4k-oz How disappointing....I was sure you'd argue it was pitch black.

Surprising that you'd assume that, given that I only argue with things that appear to me as being objectively incorrect. The colour of the sky is something that can be easily ascertained with an upward glance.

On the other hand, I could picture you responding to a statement that the sky is blue with a claim that the actual colour is really relative from person to person and "blue" just happens to be my interpretation.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Mcdonalds sells pizza?

Actually they used to, but they haven't for a few years. I'm not sure what she's talking about, but I am sure that pizza chains use real cheese. Processed cheese doesn't melt the right way to make a pizza, nor does it taste the same as real cheese, and I think just about everyone would notice.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Mcdonalds sells pizza? Originally posted by DigiNut Actually they used to, but they haven't for a few years. I'm not sure what she's talking about, but I am sure that pizza chains use real cheese. Processed cheese doesn't melt the right way to make a pizza, nor does it taste the same as real cheese, and I think just about everyone would notice.[/COLOR][/FONT]

Guys if you care anything about your own health read "Fit for Life" to find out about milk and cheese...since you don't seem to know much.

Also read Agriculture Canada's Food Processing which details that "Industrial milk is used to manufacture dairy products such as processed cheese, creamery butter, condensed and evaporated milk, ice cream, yoghourt, frozen desserts including novelties, sherbets, etc. Increasingly, these products are also in demand by further processors who use cheese, butter, milk powders, condensed milk, as key ingredients in other food products such as soups, sauces, pizzas, baked goods, entrees and confectionery products."

If after all this you still refuse to accept the facts...then live happily ever after with your own ignorance. The End.

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Originally posted by b4k-oz Guys if you care anything about your own health read "Fit for Life" to find out about milk and cheese...since you don't seem to know much. Also read Agriculture Canada's Food Processing which details that "Industrial milk is used to manufacture dairy products such as processed cheese, creamery butter, condensed and evaporated milk, ice cream, yoghourt, frozen desserts including novelties, sherbets, etc. Increasingly, these products are also in demand by further processors who use cheese, butter, milk powders, condensed milk, as key ingredients in other food products such as soups, sauces, pizzas, baked goods, entrees and confectionery products." If after all this you still refuse to accept the facts...then live happily ever after with your own ignorance. The End.

I've read it already. "Fat for Life" is like a hundred years old already.

I can assure you that I know all about the horrible shit that goes into milk and the horrible shit that's done to that horrible milk before it gets used in mass-produced dairy products. That's why I generally stay away from dairy products and stick to meat, fruit, vegetables, and complex carbohydrates.

That still has nothing to do with processed cheese being used in pizza parlours. What they're talking about is more likely to do with the frozen McCain's pizzas you see in the supermarket freezer.

For someone who makes a habit of telling other people how arrogant they are, you seem to be pretty arrogant and condescending yourself. Not only that, but you base your comments on assumptions about what we know or don't know without bothering to ask. Very poor attitude.

Everything will kill you, give you cancer, is bad for you etc etc.

Eat a well balanced diet (including some junk food treats), excerisize and the rest is up to God.

If you live your life worrying beyond that you will probably just end up dying young from stress.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I've read it already. "Fat for Life" is like a hundred years old already. I can assure you that I know all about the horrible shit that goes into milk and the horrible shit that's done to that horrible milk before it gets used in mass-produced dairy products. That's why I generally stay away from dairy products and stick to meat, fruit, vegetables, and complex carbohydrates. That still has nothing to do with processed cheese being used in pizza parlours. What they're talking about is more likely to do with the frozen McCain's pizzas you see in the supermarket freezer. For someone who makes a habit of telling other people how arrogant they are, you seem to be pretty arrogant and condescending yourself. Not only that, but you base your comments on assumptions about what we know or don't know without bothering to ask. Very poor attitude.

Well you must be happy now that you've insulted me.
Seeing as you've passed judgement on me and declared that I have a poor attitude MAKES YOU ---> CONDESCENDING.
Just who the hell are you to think your better than everyone else in this board. You who insults TA's all the time.

As for assumptions...the only assumptions made in this board are yours b/c you assume that no one knows anything and that you know it all.
Comandrstraker's family (my partner) has owned and ran several restaurant in Canada for over 50 years. My sources come from an experienced restauranteur.

Since you show no manners and will never apologize...then I think your just a spoiled brat with an over inflated ego...living off daddy and never being responsible for anything or anyone other than yourself.

Perhaps you should do what you said earlier....you should pursue other board where ppl can appreciate someone with your attitude.
I don't know how others feel, but know I don't want to be around people who enjoy insulting me...and right now...that's you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHA Omg... B4k, when you're old enough to get into clubs, let us know, I'm sure we'd all love to meet you.

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Originally posted by b4k-oz

Maybe you should re-read the post I was responding to and then re-evaluate your sentiments.

Responding to negativity and condescension is not negativity and condescension. Action, reaction. Any action can be criticized when taken out of context but may be completely justified if looked at as a reaction. If I provoke you with tumid angry retorts to perfectly reasonable statements, I should expect the same in return.

For someone who works in the legal profession I am surprised at you. You bite and claw like a cornered cat when you feel you are losing a debate. Lawyers should know better than to resort to that under such circumstances because it has a way of worsening the situation. "Spoiled brat living off daddy?" Where on Earth did that come from?

I am not sure precisely what you think I should apologize for, but you're right about one thing - I don't intend to "mind my manners" with you after outbursts like that one (and that isn't the first time it's happened, either). I tend to be the "no hard feelings" type, but I doubt there's much to gain from the acquaintance of such a judgmental person. At times I let it slip and fail to address a person as an intellectual equal (justified or not), but that is a far cry from implicating them as personality-disordered and morally bankrupt.

Talking to you about law or politics is like talking to a Christian Fundamentalist about God. BURN IN HELL, BLASPHEMOR!! Grow up.

Re: Laws like this are ones that need to get passed:

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Originally posted by Jayx1 This law comes into effect tomorrow. Its sad but we have come to a point in society where we have to pass laws to state the obvious.

You're damn fucking right.

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Originally posted by Spam BWAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHA Omg... B4k, when you're old enough to get into clubs, let us know, I'm sure we'd all love to meet you.

^^^^^

Bwahahahahaahahahaa

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Originally posted by DigiNut Coercion is defined by the use of force or the threat thereof. Force is used only by the State. TV ads can only make weak suggestions, nothing more.

Abso-fucking-lutely!

its about time ppl realized that.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Maybe you should re-read the post I was responding to and then re-evaluate your sentiments. Responding to negativity and condescension is not negativity and condescension. Action, reaction. Any action can be criticized when taken out of context but may be completely justified if looked at as a reaction. If I provoke you with tumid angry retorts to perfectly reasonable statements, I should expect the same in return. For someone who works in the legal profession I am surprised at you. You bite and claw like a cornered cat when you feel you are losing a debate. Lawyers should know better than to resort to that under such circumstances because it has a way of worsening the situation. "Spoiled brat living off daddy?" Where on Earth did that come from? I am not sure precisely what you think I should apologize for, but you're right about one thing - I don't intend to "mind my manners" with you after outbursts like that one (and that isn't the first time it's happened, either). I tend to be the "no hard feelings" type, but I doubt there's much to gain from the acquaintance of such a judgmental person. At times I let it slip and fail to address a person as an intellectual equal (justified or not), but that is a far cry from implicating them as personality-disordered and morally bankrupt. Talking to you about law or politics is like talking to a Christian Fundamentalist about God. BURN IN HELL, BLASPHEMOR!! Grow up.

....Predictable

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Originally posted by Spam BWAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHA Omg... B4k, when you're old enough to get into clubs, let us know, I'm sure we'd all love to meet you.

What kind of a response is this...espec since u don't even know me...do u even realize you sound like a little kid trying to battle
(Before your next response....stop and think about how easy you are to manipulate)


This thread is stale swamper.........time to make it "Rest in Peace" before the little ones resort to name calling again.

You have the debating style of a frustrated 15 year-old, I'm sorry if my estimation was a little off. But I base things like that on how people handle themselves in a discussion. When you begin to lose, you declare yourself the victor, tell us to read a book you've skimmed through (usualy on another subject entirely), and rather than deal with the points we bring up you change the subject or say things like "Predictable". Predictable? Damn right, I'd expect Diginut to make a well thought-out post with valid counter-arguments against one of your outbursts.

While we're at it, you may want to invest some time into running your posts through a spell-checker, and a grammar check couldn't hurt either. I've given up reading most of your longer posts because it takes an extra 30 minutes to desifer(sp) what you've typed. When in a debate, it's paramount that your thoughts and ideas be laid-out in a clear and concise manner. Yours are not.

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Originally posted by Spam While we're at it, you may want to invest some time into running your posts through a spell-checker, and a grammar check couldn't hurt either. I've given up reading most of your longer posts because it takes an extra 30 minutes to desifer(sp) what you've typed. When in a debate, it's paramount that your thoughts and ideas be laid-out in a clear and concise manner. Yours are not.

Yes but as we are so frequently reminded (by the losing debaters), this is an internet forum and not a classroom!

hu reely neds too no hoe 2 spel neway, i meen ppl wil gte teh msg reguardliss.

(Funny thing is, faking the poor spelling and punctuation actually takes a lot more effort for me than writing properly)

"its just the internet" is so lame.

why? because these are real people and real ideas and real emotion being transmitted through the internet.

Sure being semi anonymous and behind a screen will change one's behaviour but it's still real because it's being created by real people.

^^ yeah I was being facetious Jay.

Obviously, the quality of one's writing is a reflection of their personality. Which is certainly not to say that people who don't have 100% perfect grammar and punctuation are idiots - far from it! But if you don't talk to people like you've got peanut butter in your mouth, then why type like you've got jizz on your hands?

Egregious spelling and grammar on the 'net is no different from ridiculous pronunciation errors on the phone or in person (like "nucular").

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Originally posted by Jayx1 "its just the internet" is so lame. why? because these are real people and real ideas and real emotion being transmitted through the internet. Sure being semi anonymous and behind a screen will change one's behaviour but it's still real because it's being created by real people.

Yes, this message board is ultimately fueld by real people's input, but I find the scope of interaction to be very limited. We just had a political debate and so far, I get the sense that Jay or DigiNut might not like b4k-oz or me simply based on our political beliefs and standpoints on issues. I personally have no doubt that you guys are great people that know how to party (we are in a trance themed board) but simply disagree on some issues.

Some people take it too far when they cross the line, insult, and make personal assumptions and judgements against eachother. That's when "it's just the internet" comes into play because it means that there are far more dimensions to this person that some are quick to ignore and proceed with verbal attacks.


Karim

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Originally posted by karim ...I get the sense that Jay or DigiNut might not like b4k-oz or me simply based on our political beliefs and standpoints on issues.

Why would you get that sense? I don't know you. Have I said something specific to indicate a particular dislike toward you?

I'm pretty sure I mentioned quite specifically that I don't form personal opinions of people based on their political/religious/etc. beliefs, because it really says very little about how they are in their day-to-day interactions.

What matters is what they do with their beliefs. It's only people who get on their high horse (which is not at all the same as being a strong and confident debater), or people who get all intense and personal when their beliefs are challenged, that I begin to form a negative opinion of. On the other hand, there are people whom I don't see eye-to-eye with but are able to speak intelligently and express themselves clearly without being condescending, and many of those people I get along with great. I'm always interested in people I think I can learn from, regardless of their particular beliefs.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Why would you get that sense? I don't know you. Have I said something specific to indicate a particular dislike toward you? I'm pretty sure I mentioned quite specifically that I don't form personal opinions of people based on their political/religious/etc. beliefs, because it really says very little about how they are in their day-to-day interactions. What matters is what they do with their beliefs. It's only people who get on their high horse (which is not at all the same as being a strong and confident debater), or people who get all intense and personal when their beliefs are challenged, that I begin to form a negative opinion of. On the other hand, there are people whom I don't see eye-to-eye with but are able to speak intelligently and express themselves clearly without being condescending, and many of those people I get along with great. I'm always interested in people I think I can learn from, regardless of their particular beliefs.

Well not necessarily me in particular, but what you and b4k-oz have been bickering about. You guys both interpreted something in your debate as being personally insulting and let it explode.

Statements like "What are you on?" or "pathetic" really shouldn't be used in a debate. Read, understand, and rebutt, don't make it personal. That's how threads turn to shit and board members stop liking eachother, without even knowing eachother which is a shame. I've been guilty of subtle comments too, but I try to refrain from them as much as I can.

I'll be at Satoshi Tomiie on Saturday, and I would like to meet you guys. Wouldn't want this debate to create animosity.


Karim

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