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Originally posted by Magnetonium [COLOR=FF7F50] I know what you are saying, hardcore, but it would've been more appropriate to add captions to the pictures so that people who dont understand whats going on will.

DONE

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The pictures dont really show or illustrate the real brutality and problems with the Israeli "oppressive" army.

I know that,and those arent the worst pictures you could find,Iam not going to post any graphic pictures here.People who are aware of the situation there know the type things IDF does to people.

I posted pictures of children since Shadowshit likes to pick on children.

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There are worse armies around the world which kill people for no partilucar reason - I agree, this is a pointless discussion - Israelis are quite moderate. They raid/bomb in response of militants attacks or to weed out alleged militants.

for every millitant that they kill about a dozen or more innocent people die with them.I dont know how you call this moderate.

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Russian armies in Chechnya, for example would root out whole villages to eliminate alleged terrorists.

believe me I know,and I've seen what they do to the people of Chechnya.It is sad and pathatic

my opinion

this thread is PURE bullocks - bullshit - shizzle shits - Crap!

CLOSE please! why does the pot need to be stirred anymore then it already has!??

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer X1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Hey jackass talk is cheap,why dont you get the fukc off your computer and go there to join the IDF and kill some terrorists. What are you trying to prove with all these pictures here anyways?make muslims look bad?to show once and for all that your hate and racism toward muslims? I sure hope to see you one day and tell me in my face how much you hate muslims and call me a terrorist if you dare. All Itallians should be ashamed of you and embarassed by having a racist piece of shit like you in their culture. MODS close this damn thread now PLEASE.

Whoa ... this is a very mean response. I am sure he doesn't mean all Muslims are bad. There is extremism and violence on both sides of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, but it will not end until both sides decide that further violence will not improve the situation. How long will it take those warring peoples to realize that? Forget the losses, and immediately start rebuilding and healing, thats what I say.

As for Russia and the Chechen conflict - you haven't been there, you dont know the real situation and who's right and wrong. But I lived near Chechnya for a number of years, and I've seen a lot and the Russians are not the main source of suffering in the region. First of all, there is a large number of Chechens, who even before the 1994 war were involved in drug trafficking, kidnappings, murder, counterfeiting, etc, living off the poverty and weakness of the system after the Soviet collapse. Lawlessness ruled and still rules the central Caucasus since early 1990s. Mafia and armed militant gangs control the region, and simply ignore/co-ordinate with Russian military.

A neighbour that lived in our complex in my city of Sochi ,Russia got kidnapped in 1986 at a train station by Chechens and taken to work at their wountain village as a slave. Nearly 10 years later he escaped when Russians bombed the village and came back to tell the terrifying story of how he was TREATED LIKE A DOG, ALWAYS CHAINED, LIVING A LIFE OF A SLAVE, BEING SPIT UPON AND CALLED A RUSSIAN DOG. Not even mentioning the executions and dead/tortured Russian soldiers he'd seen during the first war while he was still a "slave".

There is a number of Arabic born and raised fighers alongside the ranks of Chechens whose experience makes them very cold and heartless fighters who kill mercilessly, both their own Chechens and Russians - roaming nearby Russian cities for loot and slave labour. What do you expect the Russian forces to do? They in return bomb/destroy the places the fighters use, thus mostly hurting and killing innocent civilians in process. But neither side cares - you either join whoever's side or be at either side's mercy. The country has been badly ransacked over the past 10 years by the constant war, and death, misery, hopelessness, crime rule the country. Death is the most successful industry there. It's worse than you think.

There are very few media people there as journalists are a favourite kidnapping choice. If you cross into Chechnya, you are on your own. Nobody will help you, and nobody is on your side.

Its a long story, but there is no place on Earth more desolate and worse than Chechnya. And its everybody fault. I mean everybody's - the international community for not giving a rats ass about the conflict between Chechens and Russians (that has been since the 1815), the Russians for refusing peace negotiations and using excessive and brutal force in the region - also lacking the funds and proper military equipment/leadeship to improve, Chechen militants who would do anything to inflict fear, heavy casualties and anger to Russians and any sympathetic Chechens - the militants also want to seep the war throughout the volative Caucasus region, already marred by violent separation, division and unfair resettlement of countless ethnic minorities and feuds over many years. No wonder why Beslan was chosen - its a center of a decades old territorial and religious dispute between Ingush and Ossetian nationals.

Remember the Nagorny Karabakh incident in the early 1990s between ethnic Armenians living inside Azerbaidjan? During Soviet Union, many ethnic tribes in Caucasus lived together, and onced it collapsed, the borders were not drawn up correctly, and could not be done in any way to satisfy everyone, and strong nationalistic feelings erupted into conflict. Bla bla bla ... long story ...

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Thank you for reinforcing my point.

And what exactly is your point?
You arguements are just as lame as Mr.Flip-Flop Kerry's duing election time.
You could have a 60 min. arguement with yourself with these lame rantings...
First it's the "Zionists" and then it's the "Muslims".
Buddy, do yourself a favour, pick an arguement but be smart about it.
And oh yea, picking Muslim extremism pictures and adding your own commentary doesn't help your cause.
Just because a few Muslims from the far end of the scale have a camera doesn't make them correct for your arguement.
You might as well take pictures of sled dogs and igloos, email them to someone in Africa and tell them that all Canadians have it real rough...

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In other news: http://www.acronym.org.uk/docs/0202/doc12.htm

From the above link:

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Over the last six years, Moscow has recognized the need for security improvements and, with assistance from the United States and other countries, has taken steps to reduce the risk of theft.

So what's so scary again??
The States have been working with the Russians for years
And this is old news......like back in the 80s when the Berlin Wall fell...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r From the above link: So what's so scary again?? The States have been working with the Russians for years And this is old news......like back in the 80s when the Berlin Wall fell...

What you "quoted" there made me laugh, no offense or anything. Russia today owes more than 100 BILLION dollars to US and other western countries (with interest) that it lent (so much for that "working together"). They borrowed a lot of money to fix their economy, as well as to buy western appliances and technology, among other things ... I read the article up to the DISCUSSION area and I didnt find THAT highlited area. No, Americans and Russians are not working together. In fact, as of late Russian bureocrats have been feeling cold and angry due to the fact that their allegedly new American allies have been "taking over" Russia's traditional neighbours and friends, while also US has not given Russia enough financial support to repair and restore its military and economic system - Russians feel betrayed, as they overthrew communism, hoping that Americans will in turn aid them. That didnt happen. Just a few dozen million dollars came the Russian way, but thats like bread scraps ... and continuous American influence and support of pro-western governments in former Soviet republics hardens the case.

u guys DO realize this is an ENDLESS argument/discussion

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Originally posted by Cuzo They may have the King Tut of all nukes....under a secret catacomb somewhere.....hey this would be a great Indy sequel call Spielberg!

speaking of indie sequals, is this whole "battle of falluja" thing for real? what's dr. jones gonna do? ride in on an M1A1? He's supposed to be a history professor g*dammit!

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