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Originally posted by torontotrance I listen to so much variety in the EDM circle that I don't even have a definition of what I like anymore. If it is good, I'll give it a listen.

This is EXACTLY my point/thinking....
doesnt matter 2 me what 'elitists' think,
I listen to what I like....

Check the SIG below - says it all

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle but different music is suited to different atmospheres and different moods, times, seasons, and DIFFERENT PEOPLE. dont you agree?

BULLS-EYE Mike, coming from a producer himself

ANY genre of music, EDM or not, has a TIME & a PLACE



ps. nice work with Luana Mike -
glad to see you work with Bo & Dom


-Vrk-

Man...

Sasha and Armin are like the same fucking person.

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Originally posted by Ory Yeah, if it has a supersaw, it has to be a great production. All those saw waves... wow, must be something!

Why can't you get over it that there are people around here who like other genre's of EDM than the Allmighty Intelligent Progressive?

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Give me one reason why what you listen to is any more sophisticated than this trance/prog hybrid you hate so much.

System-J is so right here!

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Originally posted by Az if constant ridicule stops even one person from supporting the shit that comes out, it's all been worth it :) quote: Originally posted by Ory Yay. Someone understands me! :happy2:

So much for coexisting. But that's cause its not about music discussion, the wolf in that clothing just wants war.

I guess i'll get my marshmallows out and roast them in the fire...

ASOT is knockout

Subey you should have known that all this thread would bring would be flames and more flames, don't you remember how the last one turned out. God i'm happy Laush got banned.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Give me one reason why what you listen to is any more sophisticated than this trance/prog hybrid you hate so much.

Stop being so fucking slow. This has been discussed over and over, I'm not gonna list my reasons again. Go read the McProg thread, maybe you'll understand.

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Originally posted by Ian^ 1. Circulation- Turquoise (Different Gear remix) (Hooj) 2. Saeed & Palash- Losing Control (Anodyne) 3. Accadia- Into the dawn (James Holden remix) (Lost Language) 4. Art of Trance- Kilimanjaro (Silvio Ecomo remix) (Platipus) 5. DJ Cyber- Marco Antonio (Cyber promo) 6. Unknown- Ibeatza (promo) 7. Graham Fee- System Overload (Remedy remix) 8. DJ Moss- Bogota Experiences 9. Fire & Ice- Souvenir de Chine (Bonzai promo) 1. Drax & Scott Mac- Sublime (Darkstar remix) (Spot on) 2. Orion- See me Here (Incentive) 3. Praha presents Kian- Pachinko Part two (Platipus) 4. Rising Star - Clear Blue Moon (Acetate) 5. Ralphie B.- Massive (Blackhole promo) 6. Members of Mayday (Paul van Dijk mix) (Promo) 7. Rank1- Such is Life (Free for All-promo) 8. S.O.L.I.S.- Dolphins (Classified Project remix) (Alien Promo) 9. Armin- Blue Fear (Cyber Records)

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Originally posted by Ory Stop being so fucking slow. This has been discussed over and over, I'm not gonna list my reasons again. Go read the McProg thread, maybe you'll understand.

I read that thread. All you said was that "McProg" is uninventive and banal. Over and over. You've never once given a single reason why what you listen to is any different, and I don't think you have a reason.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I read that thread. All you said was that "McProg" is uninventive and banal. Over and over. You've never once given a single reason why what you listen to is any different, and I don't think you have a reason.

Then obviously the stuff I think deserves alot more respect is not uninventive and banal? Jeez, I thought you knew why McProg is disliked by experienced listeners...

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Originally posted by Ory Then obviously the stuff I think deserves alot more respect is not uninventive and banal? Jeez, I thought you knew why McProg is disliked by experienced listeners...

You still aren't giving a reason. You seem to be suggesting that you only listen to music that isn't banal and uninventive, but you're buggered if you're actually going to tell us why it isn't.

Counter-argument: McProg isn't banal and uninventive, what you listen to is. McProg is a pretty new genre, so new that there isn't really a proper name for it. How can something new not be inventive? And don't try that "super-saws and big melodies" crap, because you may as well argue using a 909 kick/clap beat is uninventive.

NOTE: I don't necassarily believe that, but I have listened to some McProg and it isn't any less inventive and orginal than any other form of progressive.

Agree with that ^^

Ory - you're a bit of a clown shoe

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You still aren't giving a reason. You seem to be suggesting that you only listen to music that isn't banal and uninventive, but you're buggered if you're actually going to tell us why it isn't. Counter-argument: McProg isn't banal and uninventive, what you listen to is. McProg is a pretty new genre, so new that there isn't really a proper name for it. How can something new not be inventive? And don't try that "super-saws and big melodies" crap, because you may as well argue using a 909 kick/clap beat is uninventive. NOTE: I don't necassarily believe that, but I have listened to some McProg and it isn't any less inventive and orginal than any other form of progressive.

I'm not saying "regular" progressive is the most inventive thing ever, I'm just saying it's better than McProg when it comes to just that. The times I've listened to Markus Schulz I could hardly tell the tracks apart, exactly the same thing over and over. With prog house I can do that atleast, even though it bores me at times.

Again, my taste is not the best, it's just better. People who've listened to techno/house since the 80's probably have better taste than I, because of all the music they've heard. I haven't been around for long, but sometimes it seems as if I've heard more diverse stuff than others here, and that's just sad, because you shouldn't rely on some overhyped DJ to bring you the newest music.

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Originally posted by RickyM Agree with that ^^ Ory - you're a bit of a clown shoe

And you're a biased asshole. Give me a chance to reply, ffs.

So why don't I flame "dull progressive house" lovers? Because that kind of music isn't in my face all the time, and it hasn't gotten as extremely ridiculous as McProg nor dutch anthem trance.

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Originally posted by Ory I'm not saying "regular" progressive is the most inventive thing ever, I'm just saying it's better than McProg when it comes to just that. The times I've listened to Markus Schulz I could hardly tell the tracks apart, exactly the same thing over and over. With prog house I can do that atleast, even though it bores me at times. Again, my taste is not the best, it's just better. People who've listened to techno/house since the 80's probably have better taste than I, because of all the music they've heard. I haven't been around for long, but sometimes it seems as if I've heard more diverse stuff than others here, and that's just sad, because you shouldn't rely on some overhyped DJ to bring you the newest music.

I fail to see what's so uninventive about McProg. It's mashing two genres up to create something new. There's no one saying they only listen to McProg. It's just a genre some people happen to like, and I'm pretty sure no one likes every single McProg track there is.

You're uninventive argument just doesn't cut the mustard, unfortunately. Trance reinvented itself in the mid 90s into more melody-centric music about build and release, and there are plenty of people who will rather kill themselves than listen to it. Likewise progressive, has anyone really took it any further than Leftfield and Underworld, 10-12 years ago?

My point is that you can't keep slanderising a genre for something it's not particularly guilty of, especially a style of music that's still new. If you don't like McProg, fair enough, but that's a taste matter. Stop proclaiming it as unoriginal pop music, because you just sound like a tit, as if you listen to some obscure style that changes every week. I'm not annoyed at your opinion of the genre, because I don't particularly like it, but you're not going to win any prizes for being obnoxious to everyone who listens to or produces a genre you don't like.

It's not much different from pop music. Cheesy melodies, catchy, all that...

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Originally posted by Ory It's not much different from pop music. Cheesy melodies, catchy, all that...

Wow. So music with catchy melodies can't be underground, right? Like hard trance, and not that shitty Euro-trash stuff, I mean the UK material. Pop as fuck, huh?

It's a ridiculous attitude. So music gets better the less accessible it is? Riiiight. A lot of the time music that is unknown is unknown for a good reason. McProg isn't pop music. There hasn't been a single McProg record in the Top 40 of any country to my knowledge. The emphasis of it is not to make money, it's to make music people will dance to. And it obviously works.

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Originally posted by Ory It's not much different from pop music. Cheesy melodies, catchy, all that...

Yea we got that point like 50 posts ago.

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Originally posted by Ory It's not much different from pop music. Cheesy melodies, catchy, all that...

Ory, its pretty clear that you are one boring mother f�cker.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Wow. So music with catchy melodies can't be underground, right? Like hard trance, and not that shitty Euro-trash stuff, I mean the UK material. Pop as fuck, huh? It's a ridiculous attitude. So music gets better the less accessible it is? Riiiight. A lot of the time music that is unknown is unknown for a good reason. McProg isn't pop music. There hasn't been a single McProg record in the Top 40 of any country to my knowledge. The emphasis of it is not to make money, it's to make music people will dance to. And it obviously works.

It's not underground (not that Digweed is either). People worship this stuff, it's pathetic. Markus Schulz Alliance? Helloooo?

Anyway, you can't really compare McProg/dutch crap to other music. Music is never 100% original, far from, but like I said, McProg is an extreme case.

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Originally posted by RickyM Ory, its pretty clear that you are one boring mother f�cker.

What does that have to do with anything? Why am I not allowed to analyze music?

This reminds me of the star trek episode where the vulcans challenged the crew of deep space nine to a baseball game.

The captain of the vulcan team was quite conceited, and thought that vulcans were superior to humans in every way, and that only they were worthy of operating a starship.

As any good star trek dork would know, the vulcans are better than humans at everything, they are smarter, stronger, faster, more inventive. A vulcan child would think of the most fantastic human inventions as toys.

Vulcans dont use bias in making any of their decisions, they choose the best course of action by following advanced logic, whereas humans rely on instinct, and feelings in addition to a lower level logic system.

So the Vulcan baseball team challenged the deep space nine crew, and absolutely kicked their asses, the DS9 team scored maybe once or twice.

After the baseball game outside of the holosuite, the vulcan team was acting proud(without showing their emotions of course), hoping that the humans would be sad and agree that they were inferior.

But it didn't happen, the DS9 crew was laughing, they had fun playing baseball. They were proud of what they did together, despite the fact that the vulcans kicked their asses.

The vulcans went home, with their mission to piss off the DS9 crew and make them feel inferior unnacomplished. The captain of the vulcan team had that angry jealous look in his eye, and got even more pissed off when a human noticed, so he threw a tantrum and left.



This ASOT vs elite stuff kind of reminds me of vulcans vs the crew of DS9. The ASOT side being the humans, and the vulcans symbolising the elites. You "elites" can be as superior as you want, your music might be more inventive, it might be more original, it might pwn in comparison to the trance that comes out today.

But humans just dont give a fuck about those things, they have feelings and biases, they like having fun. Win all the contests, make all the comparisons that you want, the kids are still gonna go out and have a good time, and its not gonna be with your "superior" music because all we ever hear from you elites is complaining.

Humans have done many amazing things that the vulcans said were impossible.

It doesnt matter if something is forward thinking or not, lets just shut up, go out, and have some fun.

Oh for the love of all that is fucking holy, when will you get it into your head that people listen to a genre because they like the sound of it. So fuck if people like 'McProg'? Why do you feel so strongly about it that you have to upload post after post of your dull, boring shit hate campaign against a genre of music? Get a laugh you sad wee bastard.

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