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armin's full of hot air, along with his wanky fucking compilations, good riddens....lets see some up and comers bring fresh vibes to the scene.

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Originally posted by Ian^ As true as that is, I think Armin is more bothered about the women and the 'number 1' ranking in that certain magazine. Honestly don't think he will go back to how he was

Agreed. He certainly has potential, but if we ever see it used again, I'm willing to bet it wont be for another five years or so.

what a shame

w00t.

i predict a number of suicides cos of this.

Btw Alpha, I never found that tracklist again (for the liveset/ID in your sig). I know it's somewhere on TA.

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Originally posted by Ory Btw Alpha, I never found that tracklist again (for the liveset/ID in your sig). I know it's somewhere on TA.

cool..wanna assist me in searching through myriads of pages in the archive section?

Actually, that might have been his Orgasmatron set tracklist. He played the "it's in your mind" track in that one too.

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Originally posted by Ory Armin is a puppet. He's clearly stated that he doesn't like alot of the tracks he plays on ASOT, he just spins them because ID&T wants him to. Why should I appreciate that?

Armin ran/runs a radio show with new tunes, some of which he
doesn't like normally, but they're new DOH!
What would you like him to do, play same set every week?
The show is not about playing a set, although it is in 2nd hour but from new stuff also.
ID&T didn't tell him what to play, I think now that's more obvious than ever!

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Originally posted by Ian^ As true as that is, I think Armin is more bothered about the women and the 'number 1' ranking in that certain magazine. Honestly don't think he will go back to how he was

he's got a g/f almost wedded & stuff, as for no1 well
I'd rather not see him there because people are gonna keep
saying the same shit as they are now, all uncalled for.

he should take a vacation for like 3 months and then come back with new stuff

agreed, even though i like what Armin plays, even if people call me names for it...i just don't care. i'll stick to what i like k thanks.

making fun of other people's taste in music is pretty childish and if you want people to listen to better (or music you enjoy), you should try to introduce them to the tracks you fancy now rather than degrade their taste in music.

i think Ory just gets a kick out of cheesing people off.



anyway, laters.

You guys have no idea how bad this is for the scene. Like it or not ASOT was a platform for new music to be heard, and for the artists to get feedback on their music. Labels will not sign anything that hasnt proven itself first. You think there are other shows that you can tune in and listen to new releases on? Think again! You think artists are just going to send their music to just anyone with a show? I think not. Armin was usually the only person they sent music to. Wow, this really hurts the scene.

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth You guys have no idea how bad this is for the scene. Like it or not ASOT was a platform for new music to be heard, and for the artists to get feedback on their music. Labels will not sign anything that hasnt proven itself first. You think there are other shows that you can tune in and listen to new releases on? Think again! You think artists are just going to send their music to just anyone with a show? I think not. Armin was usually the only person they sent music to. Wow, this really hurts the scene.

so, Paul van Dyk, Above & Beyond, Misja Helsloot, Menno de Jong, Markus Schulz, Paul Oakenfold, DJ Precision, Pete Tong, John Digweed don't get promos and new tracks as well? These guys still put out radio shows showcasing new tunes. Just because ASOT stops for the foreseeable future doesn't mean the scene is dead. Just means the regular users will have to find their tracks elsewhere...really it's not a big deal.

Dont much care.

Even if ASOT never comes back, something new will step up and take it's place.

The potential market is too huge for that not to happen.

I am stunned how cold you people have become. This scene has become so splintered with arguing and fighting.

This is almost like if Hot 97 in NYC went off the air. You dont think that would affect the hip hop scene?

I don't know, maybe it's because I A) Was never anywhere to listen to it when it was on and B) Got tired of it after a while, but I don't place near as much creedence on this as some people do. I mean you guys are starting to refer to it like it's the be all end all of the Trance scene. I never thought it was. IMO it was just a radio show. Not some messiah like program showing people the way to the EDM promised land. It does suck for those loyal listeners now that it's off the air, maybe it will comeback, maybe it won't, maybe some new show will come and take it's place and everyone can fawn over it, but regardless, life does go on.

This is indeed a very big blow to a scene that is already in trouble. ASOT was a perfect means for labels to test out their product on potential customers. Many labels (and artists) rely on feedback from the show. If it weren't for ASOT, people would have missed out on a LOT of tunes. Granted not every track that is played on the show is good, nobody and nothing is perfect, and as Armin stated himself, he occasionally uses the show as a venue to test out different sounds, that not everyone will like.

Love it or hate it, ASOT was a big reason why trance is as popular as it is today.

If you are not involved in the industry, you will not realize what severe repercussions will follow from this, but things and people will move on.

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth You guys have no idea how bad this is for the scene. Like it or not ASOT was a platform for new music to be heard, and for the artists to get feedback on their music. Labels will not sign anything that hasnt proven itself first. You think there are other shows that you can tune in and listen to new releases on? Think again! You think artists are just going to send their music to just anyone with a show? I think not. Armin was usually the only person they sent music to. Wow, this really hurts the scene.

Allow me to retort...

1.) It's good for the scene. How, I'll get to that later.

2.) Labels will sign stuff. Labels have connections with DJs, and can send promos out and base releases off of crowd reaction, not just to a radio show that has every listener and her/his second-cousin drooling over every single tune on the "essentials" as if it's the biggest thing since sliced bread.

3.) There are other shows that you can tune into. For starters, Global DJ Broadcast (though, it's just as bad as ASOT).

4.) Armin is far from the only person who gets new music. Every DJ on the DJ Mag list, and even those who aren't, get promos, whether you like it or not. Ti�sto and Paul Oakenfold, based off of popularity, most likely get the most new music sent to them.

5.) Now, how does this benefit the scene? For starters, did you know that Armin has said that even he isn't fond of some of the tunes he played on ASOT? Yeah, that's right. And you know what that means? The show was run by major labels in it for a quick buck.

In addition, as many of us have been saying all along, the fall of ASOT will help bring rise to more original Trance. I don't know if you actually paid attention or not, but everything from last year's ASOT and somewhat into late-2003 sounded exactly the same. The same synths, the same build-ups, and the same breakdowns. The tunes that were aired on that program began to lack originality. Artists were getting hired by labels to do remixes not because they wanted to for the sheer pleasure, but because they wanted money. The clusterfuck of 2003-2005 remixes of timeless classics is one example that can back that up.

The fact is, ASOT became too popular. It was good for a time, then people behind the scenes realized that it could be used as a money machine. This, in turn, caused a lack in originality. Now that ASOT is out of the picture, Trance has the chance to turn itself around, to become original and to gain a fresh, new sound once again. This is very positive for the scene.

A quick buck???????
you call selling 1000 copies of something a quick buck?

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Originally posted by Nou i dont know if anyone mentioned this, but i think the best thing to come out of this is that TA will no longer be totally bottlenecked with disk activity on thursdays!

Yay

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Originally posted by idoru Allow me to retort... 1.) It's good for the scene. How, I'll get to that later. 2.) Labels will sign stuff. Labels have connections with DJs, and can send promos out and base releases off of crowd reaction, not just to a radio show that has every listener and her/his second-cousin drooling over every single tune on the "essentials" as if it's the biggest thing since sliced bread. 3.) There are other shows that you can tune into. For starters, Global DJ Broadcast (though, it's just as bad as ASOT). 4.) Armin is far from the only person who gets new music. Every DJ on the DJ Mag list, and even those who aren't, get promos, whether you like it or not. Ti�sto and Paul Oakenfold, based off of popularity, most likely get the most new music sent to them. 5.) Now, how does this benefit the scene? For starters, did you know that Armin has said that even he isn't fond of some of the tunes he played on ASOT? Yeah, that's right. And you know what that means? The show was run by major labels in it for a quick buck. In addition, as many of us have been saying all along, the fall of ASOT will help bring rise to more original Trance. I don't know if you actually paid attention or not, but everything from last year's ASOT and somewhat into late-2003 sounded exactly the same. The same synths, the same build-ups, and the same breakdowns. The tunes that were aired on that program began to lack originality. Artists were getting hired by labels to do remixes not because they wanted to for the sheer pleasure, but because they wanted money. The clusterfuck of 2003-2005 remixes of timeless classics is one example that can back that up. The fact is, ASOT became too popular. It was good for a time, then people behind the scenes realized that it could be used as a money machine. This, in turn, caused a lack in originality. Now that ASOT is out of the picture, Trance has the chance to turn itself around, to become original and to gain a fresh, new sound once again. This is very positive for the scene.

In response to #2: ASOT didnt just play stuff from labels. Producers who werent signed yet would send Armin tracks and he would help get them singed. Once the tracks got signed to a label, they were pretty much all over DCC and every other file sharing service.

In Response to #3: GDJB focuses more on the more prog trance tunes with guest trance DJs, you will not hear the latest Filo & Peri, Kyau Vs Albert, Solid Globe, etc release on GDJB unless they are played by a guest.

In Response to #4: No Armin isnt the only one who gets new music, but he was a platform for the new music to be heard in a timely manner. Most of the DJs dont play all new music back to back, because that would not work in a club.

In Response to #5: You do not know the econimics of the trance music industry, most of the guys are doing remixes for trade. You remix my tune I remix yours. There is no golden goose, it is all done for the love of music. Armins passion always comes through. And Waht major labels are you speaking of? Armada? Anjuna? Blackhole? Common, these labels only sell a few thousand copies of a single. Thats a far cry from the days of selling 10,000.


You want to know why the trance scene is in the shits, its because of the internet. There is no money to be made by selling 1000 copies of something, so all the talented artists have left the genre and gone on to produce music that is more profitable. Look at BT as a perfect example. He wants to be Moby so bad. Imagine if we still had someone like him making trance. How inspiring would that be for the bedroom producers? Bottom line is people need to survive and make a living. All of the talented REAL musicians have left. Plain and simple. Keep dreaming that trance is going to go back to the sounds the early days. Those artists have moved on with their lives.

I agree that ASOT was quite repetitious at times and certainly some more originality is needed, but why wouldn't ID&T want to have Armin's show on its network and with a good time slot if it was so profitable? Also why do so many producers thank people for buying their album to allow them to actually recoup some money, rather than downloading it, if so many producers are doing well? I'm sure some are making profit (Amin's was coming primarily from touring), but it seems like EDM is such a small genre compared to others that an influx of new listeners could be good for all subgenres.

A lot of people who first got hooked initially to ASOT songs eventually found their way into other forms of EDM and are now helping to make those scenes better as they become more interested in more complex music. Most producers and listeners say they came into listening to EDM initially through trance. I just don't see that there's going to be a direct correlation between the absence of ASOT and the rise of lots of new prog house or tech fans and new creative producers.

Regardless, hopefully there will be some new ideas and quality music that will get some airtime from someone and hopefully everyone can get along on TA in the future and respect the opinions of others, even if they don't agree.

Yes, I have to agree that ASOT was helpful in bring Trance to more people.

I hope they would be able to resurrect it.

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth In response to #2: ASOT didnt just play stuff from labels. Producers who werent signed yet would send Armin tracks and he would help get them singed. Once the tracks got signed to a label, they were pretty much all over DCC and every other file sharing service.

Is that not the case with most DJs who own their own record labels?

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In Response to #3: GDJB focuses more on the more prog trance tunes with guest trance DJs, you will not hear the latest Filo & Peri, Kyau Vs Albert, Solid Globe, etc release on GDJB unless they are played by a guest.

Good point, but at the same time, who says we need radio shows? I feel that radio shows are not needed, except for the occasional one-hour mix from a DJ, or a broadcast of an event. Putting weekly radio shows on the air, as I previously mentioned, brings the industry down with generic, over-used sounds that do nothing to push the scene forward.

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In Response to #4: No Armin isnt the only one who gets new music, but he was a platform for the new music to be heard in a timely manner. Most of the DJs dont play all new music back to back, because that would not work in a club.

The fact is that DJs have always received and will continue to receive promos from aspiring producers. DJs don't whore old tracks like they're the greatest thing, in fact I rarely ever see a pre-2004 track in any DJ's tracklist by browsing through the tracklist forum. DJs will always continue to play the newer tunes.

And new music back-to-back doesn't work in a club? Was that not what ASOT was putting a demand on? Every ASOT fan wanted to hear new tunes in a club and because they were in the majority, it was what worked.

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In Response to #5: You do not know the econimics of the trance music industry, most of the guys are doing remixes for trade. You remix my tune I remix yours. There is no golden goose, it is all done for the love of music.

Sure, maybe in your eyes. Hell, I would love it if that were the case, but the sad truth is that it isn't. You can't sit there and tell me that remixes of classic tunes are not done for money.

Take, for example, Silence 2004. Delerium said that there need not be anymore remixes of the track, yet Nettwerk owns the rights to the track and hired producers to remix it anyway. That is the case with many of the horrid 2003-2005 remixes.

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And Waht major labels are you speaking of? Armada? Anjuna? Blackhole? Common, these labels only sell a few thousand copies of a single. Thats a far cry from the days of selling 10,000.

I'm speaking of the industry as a whole, not as individual labels. Take a look at all of the "Top Tunes of 2004" and tell me that they don't sound the same; build-up, breakdown, similar synths. 98% of ASOT-aired material was the same, and record labels began to accept that. And you cannot look at remixes such as C Sharp 2005, Viola 2005, Affinity 2005, and many others, and tell me that they were great remixes that were just as good as, if not better than, the classics that were produced years ago. They sound the same as every other tune out there right now, and provide absolutely nothing special.

That, to me, is proof that the industry lowered it's standards because the ASOT-kiddies began to accept and whore mediocrity.

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You want to know why the trance scene is in the shits, its because of the internet. There is no money to be made by selling 1000 copies of something, so all the talented artists have left the genre and gone on to produce music that is more profitable. Look at BT as a perfect example. He wants to be Moby so bad. Imagine if we still had someone like him making trance. How inspiring would that be for the bedroom producers? Bottom line is people need to survive and make a living. All of the talented REAL musicians have left. Plain and simple. Keep dreaming that trance is going to go back to the sounds the early days. Those artists have moved on with their lives.

This may be just me speaking here, but producers should not rely on producing as their main source of income (unless, of course, you're a top DJ). They shouldn't rely on it for any income, in my personal opinion and I'd imagine yours as well, because after all, "it is all done for the love of music." They should rely on producing as something for fun. Once someone relies on producing as a primary source of income, they realize that the popular mass will accept a certain degree of mediocrity and thus the producers will bring themselves down to that level rather than pushing the bar forward.

I'm not saying that Trance will revert back to the "early days." I'm saying that, without the commercialization that ASOT gave the genre, Trance will begin to improve. We don't need older artists to still produce Trance in order for new producers to be inspired. Many of the timeless classics are an inspiration to this day. I would love to produce, and although many of the producers who helped shape the scene do not produce anymore, I find myself constantly inspired by the works they created in the past. The past will always have an influence on us.

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Originally posted by DC- This is indeed a very big blow to a scene that is already in trouble. ASOT was a perfect means for labels to test out their product on potential customers. Many labels (and artists) rely on feedback from the show. If it weren't for ASOT, people would have missed out on a LOT of tunes. Granted not every track that is played on the show is good, nobody and nothing is perfect, and as Armin stated himself, he occasionally uses the show as a venue to test out different sounds, that not everyone will like.

Idiot. Idiot, idiot, idiot. Have you not noticed that everything on ASOT sounds exactly the fucking same?

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