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Many Americans are ignorant i'll admit.

But whats worse are Canadians who are both ignorant AND arrogant since they wrongly think they know so much about the rest of the world. They don't.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Many Americans are ignorant i'll admit. But whats worse are Canadians who are both ignorant AND arrogant since they wrongly think they know so much about the rest of the world. They don't.

I concur. However Americans have more ignoramuses per capita :P

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Originally posted by SurrJRS I concur. However Americans have more ignoramuses per capita :P

It depends.... i think both countries are just as ignorant but show it in different ways.

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Originally posted by SurrJRS Maybe arrogant is a better word for you? A case can be made for both, and can be seen in their pure and utter contempt towards that which is un-American. Canadians are ignorant? Maybe so; granted it's subjective and left up to individual interpretation based on unique perspectives and stances.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 ...whats worse are Canadians who are both ignorant AND arrogant since they wrongly think they know so much about the rest of the world. They don't.

SurrJRS: You say yourself that it's subjective, so you can't possibly be any more right in saying that Americans are idiots as I am in saying that Canadians are. Most Americans don't have contempt for that which is "un-American" - have you actually spent any significant time in the USA, or around Americans?

Canadians, on the other hand, definitely DO possess pure and utter contempt toward that which IS American.

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Originally posted by DigiNut have you actually spent any significant time in the USA, or around Americans?

Unfortunately yes. :P

All kidding aside, some of my best friends are American and know my curses are solely directed to a generalized perception of their country/Jesus Land. But I remind you that most stereotypes and perceptions usually have some merit to them, otherwise they would not exist. Certainly this perception is not moot to a lot of people.

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Canadians, on the other hand, definitely DO possess pure and utter contempt toward that which IS American.

Can you blame us? I don't think our stance is any different from what the rest of the world (minus Tony Blair) thinks. And even some Americans *cough* Democrats *cough* think this way too.

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Originally posted by SurrJRS Can you blame us? I don't think our stance is any different from what the rest of the world (minus Tony Blair) thinks. And even some Americans *cough* Democrats *cough* think this way too.

Mmmhm... and does the popularity of a belief make it correct?

The rest of the world might have a point, but Canada really ought to shut up, since the actual differences between Canada and the USA are pretty superficial. Especially considering that most of Canada's culture is essentially ripped off from U.S. culture - and not from U.S. culture in general, but from its worst dregs. Britney Spears, McDonald's, etc...

We're a USA copycat and I think that gives many of us some sort of inferiority complex, hence the need to bash them all the time. A large part of Europe, I believe, is also just upset that they lack any real power anymore (not to say that power is everything, but Europe's been on the decadent side since the cold war).

I'm not saying this out of anger or defensiveness... this is honestly what I believe to be true based on research and observation.

Look, the point is - you can take any country, state, culture, or virtually any arbitrary group whatsoever, pick out the worst visible elements of that group, and use it to make that group look bad. But that's nothing more than a compositional fallacy, it doesn't mean that the group as a whole is bad, and American "culture" (I use the term loosely as I'm aware that they don't really *have* a culture), despite all its flaws, has proven to be one of the most successful and sustainable throughout history.

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Originally posted by DigiNut ... and American "culture" (I use the term loosely as I'm aware that they don't really *have* a culture), despite all its flaws, has proven to be one of the most successful and sustainable throughout history.

I wonder if the Romans thought the same thing.

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Originally posted by RobbyG. I wonder if the Romans thought the same thing.

Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't. The USA doesn't really have much in common with the Roman empire aside from its wealth and success, and it's already been around longer than the Romans were.

Seems like it's fashionable these days to liken the USA to ancient Rome, but as fashionable as it is, it's not a very useful comparison.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Seems like it's fashionable these days to liken the USA to ancient Rome, but as fashionable as it is, it's not a very useful comparison.

I find both societies similar in a way.The U.S. preaches "democracy & freedom" worldwide & is trying to push Iraq into it when that part of the world has been "tribal" going back a thousand years.I'm not a history major but I do believe that the Roman Empire & its armies conquered vast areas to impose their way of life as well...

HAIL Ceasar aka Bush

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Originally posted by RobbyG. I find both societies similar in a way.The U.S. preaches "democracy & freedom" worldwide & is trying to push Iraq into it when that part of the world has been "tribal" going back a thousand years.I'm not a history major but I do believe that the Roman Empire & its armies conquered vast areas to impose their way of life as well... HAIL Ceasar aka Bush

Do you honestly place the USA's actions into the category of "conquering?" That's a pretty ignorant outlook... are we just going to excuse Iraq from everything they did as a precursor to this?

It's not like the USA is moving into Zaire or Paraguay to spread democracy... it's only in the Middle East, where the instability might actually pose a global (and therefore, local to Americans) threat.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Mmmhm... and does the popularity of a belief make it correct?

Certainly not. But apparently that's what democracy is.

Good luck getting anyone to STFU on our differences. Such a topic border-lines on a religious feud.

Yes our culture and food are very similar. However as Canadians we are overly polite and totally insecure about our national identity. :P

Americans are brainwashed patriots who have very limited knowledge and interest about anyone outside their borders, and always looking for an evil enemy to validate their massive arms industry. Maybe it's small penis syndrome, who knows.

However we apparently are doing something right as some Americans encourage being mistaken for Canadians when abroad. (Wearing Canadian flags on their shirts and baggage). This is amusing to me as I see Americans as flag-waving, anthem-singing, and obsessively patriotic to the point of blindness when they are in their own country and have their fellow country men to back em up.

Another pet peeve of mine is how Americans like to bastardize the language by way of pronouncing and spelling words differently, but still seemingly calling it "English". Canadians are much closer to the original dialect.

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Anyway, enough of being a flamebait. I'm going to play some foosball now.

As far as I'm personally concerned, I'd be perfectly content with the institution of legislation to put an end to automobiles for private citizens and crass libertarianism inside our sovereign borders.

Mind you, that's just me.

Democracy is the tyranny of the ignorant.

But then again, nothing better is really a viable alternative right now.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot Democracy is the tyranny of the ignorant. But then again, nothing better is really a viable alternative right now.

Or the curse of the complacent.

I miss our friendly dictatorship already.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot Democracy is the tyranny of the ignorant. But then again, nothing better is really a viable alternative right now.

Tell that to the pinko commies :P

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Originally posted by SurrJRS Tell that to the pinko commies :P

I support socialism to a degree, but it'll never be able to happen in a way that benefits Canada beyond what we have now. I like my public health care and education systems. Communism is a bit too far. It'll never work unless we program a robot to be the leader.

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Originally posted by SurrJRS ... some Americans encourage being mistaken for Canadians when abroad. (Wearing Canadian flags on their shirts and baggage).

A-ha - now if you wanted to use that as evidence that Americans are idiots, I would support you fully.

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Originally posted by DigiNut A-ha - now if you wanted to use that as evidence that Americans are idiots, I would support you fully.

The Americans are the smart ones. 9 times outta 10 they will get treated better if people think they're Canadians. The whole world hates America. Maybe the whole world are idiots.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot The whole world hates America.

No matter how many times this phrase gets repeated, it will still not be true. This isn't a fact at all, it's just gibberish spouted by hippie liberals who can't come up with anything better for an argument.

The reason people have this illusion of the "whole world" hating America is that this "whole world" is only seen through the eyes of the mass media, which of course has always been a little bit left of center but in recent days has become very hard-left.

Most of the "respect" that Canada gets is based on misconceptions - politeness, "free" health care, and so on.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Do you honestly place the USA's actions into the category of "conquering?" That's a pretty ignorant outlook... are we just going to excuse Iraq from everything they did as a precursor to this? It's not like the USA is moving into Zaire or Paraguay to spread democracy... it's only in the Middle East, where the instability might actually pose a global (and therefore, local to Americans) threat.

The Romans conquered using their Legions and the U.S. is imposing their ideals on other countries by other means which in a round about way is a form of "conquering" is it not?...You need not go far back in history for evidence of U.S. meddling...Countries like Nicaraqua, Viet Nam & Panama(General Manuel Noriega was a CIA agent)

I don't see how you can say that is an "ignorant outlook" Aaron when you see what they've done the past 50 years.

I'm not being anti American here but DAMN I wish they would take a different course but unfortunatly the damage is done & now you have these religious zealots who will do ANYTHING to destroy the United States.Thats why I strongly believe (in my lifetime) that there will be a nuclear attack within their borders...most likely from a "dirty bomb" or biological attack.

Of all the countries on the planet, there are like 3 or 4 that wanted Bush to win. Is the rest of the world all filled with liberals? Absolutely not. They're just not blinded by greed, pride, and nationalism like 70% of Americans are.

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