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You may have your opinion and I have mine. yes the melody was inspired by Alt F4 but it isn't a clone... hell it is not even a main melody... it's simply rhythmic chords to balance out the track... kinda like how the oldskool rave tracks have similar piano chords to balance out the elements in the tracks... I'm gonna close this argument about the Alt F4 style lead. I find no point in arguing over it.

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Originally posted by gerrycueto Sorry for getting anal about it... It's that sometimes I see criticisms... of tracks (not necesarily mine all the time)... that an artist put a good effort into them, but all they seem to bash them is on how a little melody sounds too much like such and such artist rather than stating what they thought about the actual track.

Sure I said the track was great? You shouldn't get down when ppl say it sounds like this that and the other - you should take it has a compliment! I am a producer to so I can appreciate the hard work that goes into a track! I never put samples up because like what you said happens ppl slate it! I haven't got time for that! I know what sounds good and what doesn't! My second pair of ears, Icone tells me whats wrong! I reckon he is a gooder judge than any! Remember it's nothing personal!

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Originally posted by retiro Nothing is wrong with ALT=F4, just that if you want to produce a track then produce a melody that isn't a clone of another!

The melody in Floating is certainly not a clone of Alt F4. Alt F4 might have been a source of inspiration but that's all.

I will check Nullistic - Don't Let Go and Bad Colour

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Originally posted by gerrycueto You may have your opinion and I have mine. yes the melody was inspired by Alt F4 but it isn't a clone... hell it is not even a main melody... it's simply rhythmic chords to balance out the track... kinda like how the oldskool rave tracks have similar piano chords to balance out the elements in the tracks... I'm gonna close this argument about the Alt F4 style lead. I find no point in arguing over it.

Nah you're reading this wrong! When I said clone I was regarding your quote 'many pro tracks are derivative of predecessors'! Not meaning your melody! Think you and I are on different wavelengths this evening!

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Originally posted by retiro Sure I said the track was great? You shouldn't get down when ppl say it sounds like this that and the other - you should take it has a compliment! I am a producer to so I can appreciate the hard work that goes into a track! I never put samples up because like what you said happens ppl slate it! I haven't got time for that! I know what sounds good and what doesn't! My second pair of ears, Icone tells me whats wrong! I reckon he is a gooder judge than any! Remember it's nothing personal!

I don't mind posting stuff here... A lot of times I ignore comments that I think are harmful or unneeded. I guess it depends on the mood I'm in whether I feel like challenging it or not, but mostly I don't bother (I'd rather defend bad criticism on other people's tracks than on my own). I can decipher the criticism I think is helpful and what I think is unnecesary. Hell, a lot of times people prove me wrong because as objective as I think I am, since it's my own music I can become very subjective (and that goes with any composer/producer/whatever). Usually I'll take the criticism, when a good majority of people end up saying the same things. That's when I know it may be wise to take that advice.

I try to have objective ears as well while making a track, but when I post here sometimes I get criticism I would have never found anywhere else. People hear stuff differently. Scully (aka Solange) is my second pair of ears, but I don't get the whole story just from his point of view. That's why I like to post clips and tracks here and share my music for free (yeah a lot of labels hate me for that hehe )

I really love the way you introduce the lead in Bad Color but I'm not sure it would fit with Floating as it's really not the same style. By the way I also checked again Seashells which you say is a chillout track like Floating and I think the transition from break to lead is better in Seashells. In Seashells when the lead starts at approximately 3.47 everything is fuller and it has more punch.

cool yeah? ... I'll use that as a reference then... thanks for your input.

This is great Gerry!

One of the best songs I've heard on TA, the melody before the breakdown - with that AVB/above and beyond synth is cool, I want to know how to make that synth

Excellent, soulfull stuff

that's just saw plucks any subtractive synth can do that... a free VSTi that can do most trance sounds is SuperWave P8... check it out

all you need is one oscilator of saw.... and envolope filter cutoff envolopes to decay the cutoff on every note... so it sounds like a pluck.

ok gerry heres a test for you to do to notice the lack of energy. stand in the middle of the floor in your bedroom over your set of decks, raise both arms in the air preferably whilst looking into a mirror, have your track blasting out, imagine your tiesto looking out over 30,000 clubbers all their arms are raised also. 4mins in drum roll begining they're beginning to go wild cheering. 4min 10secs bang kicks back in = anti climax, they thought they were gonna have an orgasm but you were just teasing them. disapointment is evident on all faces. hehe

just a technique i use to see if my tracks have enough energy.
loop bars between 4.05 and 4.20mins until you get what we mean.

good tactic

Sounds good to me...I'm not into that style but it's very enjoyable and happy sounding...although it got me in a kind of sad mood...it triggered a weird emotion...no clue why...and I'm not a very emotional person. It also reminds me of driving my turbo Celica by the beach in my island of Puerto Rico.

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Originally posted by dannyc ok gerry heres a test for you to do to notice the lack of energy. stand in the middle of the floor in your bedroom over your set of decks, raise both arms in the air preferably whilst looking into a mirror, have your track blasting out, imagine your tiesto looking out over 30,000 clubbers all their arms are raised also. 4mins in drum roll begining they're beginning to go wild cheering. 4min 10secs bang kicks back in = anti climax, they thought they were gonna have an orgasm but you were just teasing them. disapointment is evident on all faces. hehe just a technique i use to see if my tracks have enough energy. loop bars between 4.05 and 4.20mins until you get what we mean.

Haha that's awesome, man.

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Originally posted by dannyc ok gerry heres a test for you to do to notice the lack of energy. stand in the middle of the floor in your bedroom over your set of decks, raise both arms in the air preferably whilst looking into a mirror, have your track blasting out, imagine your tiesto looking out over 30,000 clubbers all their arms are raised also. 4mins in drum roll begining they're beginning to go wild cheering. 4min 10secs bang kicks back in = anti climax, they thought they were gonna have an orgasm but you were just teasing them. disapointment is evident on all faces. hehe just a technique i use to see if my tracks have enough energy. loop bars between 4.05 and 4.20mins until you get what we mean.

maybe it could be a good thing... trance is known for spoiling you like an immature child by giving you everything and not leaving you asking for more... I could be leaving you asking for more

heh don't worry about it... tomorrow I'll check it out and update it... I've already got something cooked up in my head that could work the wonders. Just a couple of tweakers and that's it... I think I know what's wrong... the build has too much given at you, then the beat kicks in and all of that is taken away... I can easily fix that by having a minimal buildup... so that way you don't expect a whole lot when the beat kicks in... adding more variety to the track and introducing the melodies coming later on better

Okay Danny, I took your advice I pretended to be Tiesto and bla bla bla.. so I changed the buildup to build more energy before the beat kicks in.. I also added a piano lead

Click here to listen... Gerry Cueto - Floating (update)

The changes you made are very appropriate, the track seems better structured to me now and the energy problem when the lead starts is solved, it sounds much better.

thanks

nice track, not too energetic but it doesn't need to be, chilled out is just as good.

that whistling synths (sounds like a 3xosc) is too loud and almost hurts my ears at points with the frequencies that it hits, would sound better a little lower in volume.

i'm not a fan of the key change however...

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Originally posted by EtherealSL nice track, not too energetic but it doesn't need to be, chilled out is just as good. that whistling synths (sounds like a 3xosc) is too loud and almost hurts my ears at points with the frequencies that it hits, would sound better a little lower in volume. i'm not a fan of the key change however...

thanks.. yeah I guess it's a mastering issue... some speaker sets the sines are a bit quiet and others loud... sines usually present a problem in many tracks... a lot of the Whiteroom tracks, the sines really breakthrough the speakers, and in others they're quiet.


Whisling synths? come on dude are you even a producer? They're sinewaves. They can be generated by ANY synth... not just a 3xosc fruityloops synth. Quit being a preset kiddy and learn some synthesis. Lemme guess, I haven't used fruity 3xosc but is there a sine preset called "whistly synth"?

Not a very compelling review coming from a fellow producer, sorry I was harsh on ya... sounds like a review I'd expect from an FL noob. Or you think I'm the noob who can't handle big producer vocabulary? You don't need to play any games with me, man. Eh whatever I guess I'm in a talkative mood today.

The more I listen to this track, it reminds me somewhat of Ferry Corsten - Indigo. Nice updates Gerry! this is repeating on my mp3 player constantly!

Yo Gerry, well i already gave you most of my comments on that sample u gave me a while ago, but sounding pretty good. It does sound a little repetitive though throughout the track . This is for sure more chilled than your other tunes from the last few months, but that is good though, a tune i would play more at the begining of a set. Talk to you later on msn

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Originally posted by gerrycueto thanks.. yeah I guess it's a mastering issue... some speaker sets the sines are a bit quiet and others loud... sines usually present a problem in many tracks... a lot of the Whiteroom tracks, the sines really breakthrough the speakers, and in others they're quiet. Whisling synths? come on dude are you even a producer? They're sinewaves. They can be generated by ANY synth... not just a 3xosc fruityloops synth. Quit being a preset kiddy and learn some synthesis. Lemme guess, I haven't used fruity 3xosc but is there a sine preset called "whistly synth"? Not a very compelling review coming from a fellow producer, sorry I was harsh on ya... sounds like a review I'd expect from an FL noob. Or you think I'm the noob who can't handle big producer vocabulary? You don't need to play any games with me, man. Eh whatever I guess I'm in a talkative mood today.

unnecessary but okay... sorry my vocab isn't up to par with your genius synthesizer abilities. My review wasn't detailed because I'd think that maybe 8 pages of review would be enough for you (actually scale that doen to 2-3 since every post on this thread is followed by one from you to bump). Even so, 2-3 pages worth of criticism is far more than this curded milk deserves (key changes... c'mon). I honestly expected far more from someone who likes to brag about his "extensive" knowledge of music theory. You have more than one sine wave in this song so I figured I would describe in nonprofessional language which one it is and you definately figured which one it is, and i obviously did get my point across.

but okay, if you don't want reviews from this "flp noob" i would be glad not to waste my time, i was throwin in my 2 cents, i'm glad to see that you appreciated it. good luck on signing "floating" (or is it "floater" ??), i'm sure dj sammy will throw down this dancefloor thriller at es paradis next summer for the 2 people that will be there.

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Originally posted by EtherealSL unnecessary but okay... sorry my vocab isn't up to par with your genius synthesizer abilities. My review wasn't detailed because I'd think that maybe 8 pages of review would be enough for you (actually scale that doen to 2-3 since every post on this thread is followed by one from you to bump). Even so, 2-3 pages worth of criticism is far more than this curded milk deserves (key changes... c'mon). I honestly expected far more from someone who likes to brag about his "extensive" knowledge of music theory. You have more than one sine wave in this song so I figured I would describe in nonprofessional language which one it is and you definately figured which one it is, and i obviously did get my point across. but okay, if you don't want reviews from this "flp noob" i would be glad not to waste my time, i was throwin in my 2 cents, i'm glad to see that you appreciated it. good luck on signing "floating" (or is it "floater" ??), i'm sure dj sammy will throw down this dancefloor thriller at es paradis next summer for the 2 people that will be there.

LOL... thrown back a corker of a reply there EtherealSL - respect!

Yeah, that was a good counter-burn, hehe. Man, this track rocks...so mellow...but I still don't get why it gets me in a weird mood when it has a happy mood itself. I guess it's the little sines combined with the slow strings that make my brain take them the wrong way, haha.

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Originally posted by EtherealSL unnecessary but okay... sorry my vocab isn't up to par with your genius synthesizer abilities. My review wasn't detailed because I'd think that maybe 8 pages of review would be enough for you (actually scale that doen to 2-3 since every post on this thread is followed by one from you to bump). Even so, 2-3 pages worth of criticism is far more than this curded milk deserves (key changes... c'mon). I honestly expected far more from someone who likes to brag about his "extensive" knowledge of music theory. You have more than one sine wave in this song so I figured I would describe in nonprofessional language which one it is and you definately figured which one it is, and i obviously did get my point across. but okay, if you don't want reviews from this "flp noob" i would be glad not to waste my time, i was throwin in my 2 cents, i'm glad to see that you appreciated it. good luck on signing "floating" (or is it "floater" ??), i'm sure dj sammy will throw down this dancefloor thriller at es paradis next summer for the 2 people that will be there.

Don't have to get all anal about it. I just hate being compared to Fruityloops synths, for various reasons I won't get into right now.

Since when did I brag about my extensive knowledge of music theory? DJ Virgen was just pointing out that he heard an out-of-tune note and I analysed it to find out what he meant. ooh I guess I shouldn't post anything related to music theory, since that would mean I'm bragging.

Yeah thanks... I'll send this to DJ Sammy... he'll have truckloads of fun playing it.

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