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Originally posted by Jem_hadar there is no purpose in life. u were born, therefore u exist. i dont see why ppl NEED a find a purpose in life for life to have meaning. u are alive now, so live ur life as much and as fully as u want, bc when ur dead ur dead and u no longer exist and cannot experice jack. make of life u what u feel u wanna. i dont belief in any higher purpose to anything and i dont see why that concept is so dismal or downhearting to so many other ppl. i just enjoy life as it hits me. EDIT: Same goes for death. i guess the idea of living on in heaven or being reincarnated or whutever is a very nice way to look at things.. and gives ppl hope and whutever in life. me, i dont believe in that stuff... once ur dead, ur dead. u nolonger are apart of ANYTHING... but i fall to see whut that scares ppl so much. it dont scare or bother me at all... its just the way it is and i dont see why that should be upsetting... and to worry about it doesnt even really make much sense to me since its not like ull regret it after the fact since ull be dead and hence its a moot point therefore. dont interpret that as me not caring if i die, id like to of course keep on living and having fun w/ my friends and hearing blissfull music and all the other joys of life... i just meant the prospect of existing no longer once u die is not a terrifying or unsettling concept to me.

Man is an arrogant creature. We inherantly WANT to believe that we are somehow a SPECIAL species. The truth is we're not. We're just like any other animals. We're made of chemicals. When we die, those chemicals are recycled. In fact, the chemicals in your body constantly get recycled (about every 7 years or so)... there are essentially no molecules in your body right now that were in your body when you were born.

When I die, the chemicals in my brain will decompose and become worm food. Like Jem said, I still want to live (it's human nature to want to live), but it's not so mysterious a thing as people make it out to be. Because humans can self-actualize (ie they know that they exist), they consequently cannot fathom the lack of self-actualization that death results in. When you die, you lose your sense of self, and humans can't fathom what it's like to not know that they exist. Therefore they get perplexed by death.

On a totally unrelated note, where is DigiNut? He of all people should be giving nice long rants in a thread like this...

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie And in answer to your question: What are you living for? God? I'm living because I know that someday, i'm going to die. And there's really nothing I can do about it.

so u live to die.....alright....cheers to u...


quality of life doesnt mean ANYTHING to u does it?

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the main reason why catholics dont support gay "marriage" is because homosexuality itself is not accepted by our faith since woman was made to be man's companion for life.

Why?

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I have a friend who's father is a retired pastor. He has recently turned to liking people of the same sex as he, and has had to hide this from his family (with great difficulty, i may add). His parents have always wanted to participate in a religious marriage, which any religious person is entitled to. Now, he's a person. Just like me, and just like you. Why should his sexual preference dictate whiether or not he is allowed to be married in a church?

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee oh most definitely...u were born with freedom of opinion...but i guess what i tried to say is...the meaning behind any day of celebration is lacking if ur not of the faith and practicing it....so when theres lack in meaning on one side of the fence, then theres really no bond in a deeper sense of belonging....

Why does the celebration have to be meaningful? Why does there have to be a deeper sense of belonging? Does that make it more fun? IMO, it just fulfills a need that is created by the culture itself. The catholic religion creates the need to go to church and pray, so you fulfill that need by doing so.

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quality of life doesnt mean ANYTHING to u does it?

I've enhanced my quality of life 'cuz i'm not devoting it to something that may or may not exist.

plus i can sleep in on Sundays

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot Why does the celebration have to be meaningful? Why does there have to be a deeper sense of belonging? Does that make it more fun? IMO, it just fulfills a need that is created by the culture itself. The catholic religion creates the need to go to church and pray, so you fulfill that need by doing so.

going back into celebrations, for example, a practicing catholic rejoices teh fact that God was born and lived amongst his people as compared to one who doesnt practice and celebrates santa claus and exchanging gifts without knowing the significance

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee If 2 people of the same sex really want to be together, then why dont they jsut practice common law?? its as good as being married....why get the whole religious ceremony?

But its not only a religious ceremoy... in canada you can be married by a Justice of the Peace... u do not need to make it a religious affair at all in anymeans

i know when i get married it certainly wont be by a religous figure head. ill be going to a justice of the peace and married by the state/province/whutever

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie plus i can sleep in on Sundays

most churches have evening mass

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie Why? ANECDOTE: I have a friend who's father is a retired pastor. He has recently turned to liking people of the same sex as he, and has had to hide this from his family (with great difficulty, i may add). His parents have always wanted to participate in a religious marriage, which any religious person is entitled to. Now, he's a person. Just like me, and just like you. Why should his sexual preference dictate whiether or not he is allowed to be married in a church?

I suppose that's because it's what the church stands for. A gay person who wants to get married in the Catholic church is like a black guy who wants to join the Ku Klux Klan.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot I suppose that's because it's what the church stands for. A gay person who wants to get married in the Catholic church is like a black guy who wants to join the Ku Klux Klan.

LMFAO!!!!!!!

I'm more spiritual myself then I am relgious (Roman Catholic)...WHen you see the misery/violence/decadence in today's world you then have to wonder if there is a God but I have my moments when I see something beautiful or see soemthing awesome happen then it makes me wonder

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee so u live to die.....alright....cheers to u... quality of life doesnt mean ANYTHING to u does it?

Im confused brotha, why does knowing ur gonna live and then ur gonna die and then thats simply it for u, why does that mean u dont really care much about the quality of life ?

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot I suppose that's because it's what the church stands for. A gay person who wants to get married in the Catholic church is like a black guy who wants to join the Ku Klux Klan.

lol...i love the fact taht u actually DO have an understanding of faiths...

props on that account...

and yes as u said before... "Leave my Atheism alone and I'll leave their Theism alone", however, unlike u, the rest of the Atheist find the need to put down the theists which is disrespect to someone as a human...its like that bully in highschool that was actually the dumbest kid in the lot but made the smartest one look stupid..

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee going back into celebrations, for example, a practicing catholic rejoices teh fact that God was born and lived amongst his people as compared to one who doesnt practice and celebrates santa claus and exchanging gifts without knowing the significance

But the problem is, the reward for having that celebration is based on the previous requirement that the need to celebrate it in such a way exists! I don't feel the need to pray on sundays, so doing so would give me no fulfillment. I don't rub my legs in itching powder so I can fulfilled by scratching them.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot I suppose that's because it's what the church stands for. A gay person who wants to get married in the Catholic church is like a black guy who wants to join the Ku Klux Klan.

i acutally agree w/ this. if its against the chruches belief system, then fine. they have that right. im 100% hardcore pro gay marriage, but not pro on forcing it upon churches and whutnot that dont support it. i leave them to beleive and act as they wanna.

im just pro that the state marries gays and lesbians and that they will recognzie their marriage as normal and valid.

like u said about a black man trying to join the KKK, im sorry, u cant. itd be similar to me going to a catholic high school in town and getting upset that they dont sell condoms in their washrooms like at the public one. No, birth control like condems goes against their beliefs, and since im in THEIR environment i dont have a right to bitch about it.

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like u said about a black man trying to join the KKK, im sorry, u cant. itd be similar to me going to a catholic high school in town and getting upset that they dont sell condoms in their washrooms like at the public one. No, birth control like condems goes against their beliefs, and since im in THEIR environment i dont have a right to bitch about it.

I don't know... i've heard of some pretty slutty catholic school girls...

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie I don't know... i've heard of some pretty slutty catholic school girls...

Heheh... not the school's fault though. As long as people can choose what school to go to, I don't have a problem with them doing whatever the hell they want. It's not like in Quebec where they can force you to go to a French school if you're a Francophone.

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie I don't know... i've heard of some pretty slutty catholic school girls...

Hehehe, well then, the beliefs of the administration then!

Going out to get hammered now... but i mu5t say im so surprised to see there are this many atheists on TOTA. That really impresses me and im glad i started this thread and realized so. Its nice to meet or know of other like minded ppl, no matter the subject, be it music, faith, interests such as cars or other hobbies, etc. etc.

CHEERS to all you atheists and I hope more of yall come outta the wood work!

Ill drink one in yalls collective name tonite!


>>> Lets the discussions continue....

~Jem~

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Hehehe, well then, the beliefs of the administration then!

Actually... this one time I got really freaked out by the Catholic schoolteachers. It must have been back in about grade 9 or 10... we had to go play a chess game against the team from a Catholic high school and it was Ash Wednesday... and I saw this teacher with what looked like a christian cross TATTOOED ONTO HIS FOREHEAD! It creeped me out soooo much. Our whole team was talking about it during the drive back to school. I later found out what it was, but it freaked me out. I was like... "burning symbols into their foreheads... isn't that what CULTS do???" I honestly couldn't stop staring at him. It was really really creepy.

Just a lesson in what ignorance can do to your opinion of other people.

Nobody gets out of this life alive....so live with it

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar I disagree with you there, with them not being able to raise kids, but i dont wanna turn this thread into a debate about that matter

It's my opinion about the matter. I know it may be harsh, but I believe that a child needs a mother and father to be raised properly. Not 2 fathers. It's about the psychological effects that I'm worried about.

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Hehehehe, try telling that to some of the hardcore bible people down in NC in Rally/Durham where i was (read that as most of the ppl i encountered when down there). They'd flame you alive for speaking such words.

Well thats their problem for believing that stuff word for word. Even my High School religion teacher said that more than half of the Bible's stories shouldn't be taken literally cause some of the stuff in their seems like something written by a person on a crazy trip of Acid. Eg. God appearing as a burning, talking bush.

I dunno man.

My spider plant in the bathroom was telling me last week that I needed to talk to it more often.

Yes...I was drinking
Yes....It was 5am
Yes...I hadn't slept in 36 hours

What??

Why is everyone looking at me like that??

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Originally posted by Skuce I dunno man. My spider plant in the bathroom was telling me last week that I needed to talk to it more often. Yes...I was drinking Yes....It was 5am Yes...I hadn't slept in 36 hours What?? Why is everyone looking at me like that??

LOL that's so funny.

Honestly, if David Blaine was alive 2000 years ago, people would think he was magical and amazing... they'd probably crucify him too. I don't necessarily deny that Jesus was a person, but he was probably just a charismatic, well-liked, clever individual. All this "son of god" stuff kinda annoys me. Same with the prophecies. Prophets seem like an excuse for society to not have to worry about forethought.

Im agnoist.

You cant prove that (a) god(s) excist, but neither can you prove that he(they) doesnt excist.

Although I am much more leaning towards that there isn't any god, than that there is one.

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