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Originally posted by Endlesswave Dude, how is Anakin Skywalker static throughout this last episode? Plz explain that to me...he undergoes change which is precisely one of your reaons of criteria for a "good character" no?

I agree with that, he does undergo many changes and is a fairly strong character in ep 3. My original post said lucas can't write characters for shit in a general way, meaning most of his characters are only lightly sketched out and one dimensional. But in episodes 1,2 & 4,5,6, what changes does Anakin go thru really? So he goes back to the light side after a quick change in episode 6....But what else really? This is part of the reason why I had such high hopes for the new trilogy, because it had the potential of being very dramatic series, showing a tragic character's fall from grace, which is something you don't see much outside of classic novels and plays anymore.

The one thing you have to appreciate, is the fact that it is impossible to write a good story without some level of depth in your main character. Without it, an audience cannot empathize with their plight, so having Anakin go through such a dramatic changes was almost a given. And to be fair, the way lucas did that was quite good, but aside from episode 3, I have not seen a single character with a great deal of depth.

That and his script writing is still terrible.


I'll still tell anyone to go see episode 3 though.

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Originally posted by ++ EGO ++ yeah I saw it on opening day... I could care less for star wars, I think g.l. shoulda left that series along time ago. When the poster designs and cheesy cut transitions went out of style that is.. anyway, it was stupid. Some people died, some people lived.. lucas buys a new yacht.. whatever... *looking forward for the Tony Scott projects!!

hey!!! i like those posters, that guys a craaaaaaazy artist...hes done a shitload of movie posters over the past 30 some odd years

I dunno, we just saw it last night, and I guess its just me, but I didnt really enjoy this one all that much at all. My buddy said it was exactly whut he expected too... which just means it was ok and thats how he figured it was gonna be.

Loved Episode II much much much more!

I almost kinda wish I'd waited and we'd all just rented it and watched it on our 60 inch TV at home!

~jem~

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Loved Episode II much much much more! ~jem~

really? Episode II had its good moments but the originals and Episode III are in a league of their own compared to the first two prequels. I don't think anything in the entire saga matched the drama of the moments leading up to the final Obi Wan/Anakin duel.

**spoilers below**

just watched it last nite ..

it's obvious to me now that George Lucas spent more time worrying about special effects than he did about the plot and/or acting.


just as some reviews had indicated, the story moved way too fast since he wasted an entire movie with Episode I, there were too many plotlines to resolve in the last film which felt like watching the movie on speed. Padme pregnant at the start and giving birth by the end. Perhaps he should have started the trilogy off at EP2 which would have left more time to focus on Anakin's character developement and his turn to the darkside which I believe is what everyone wanted to see in the first place. The whole story from EP1 could have been condensed and told within the first 20 minutes of the movie.


My conclusion, George Lucas is no longer the visionary he once was, rather a businessman.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL **spoilers below** just watched it last nite .. it's obvious to me now that George Lucas spent more time worrying about special effects than he did about the plot and/or acting. just as some reviews had indicated, the story moved way too fast since he wasted an entire movie with Episode I, there were too many plotlines to resolve in the last film which felt like watching the movie on speed. Padme pregnant at the start and giving birth by the end. Perhaps he should have started the trilogy off at EP2 which would have left more time to focus on Anakin's character developement and his turn to the darkside which I believe is what everyone wanted to see in the first place. The whole story from EP1 could have been condensed and told within the first 20 minutes of the movie. My conclusion, George Lucas is no longer the visionary he once was, rather a businessman.

but the vast majority of the reviews are positive, despite some concerns over editing. In the end, the good outweights the bad. I agree that all Episode I did was establish the very BASIC plot lines of the trilogy.

I also felt that some scenes felt rushed and a little chopped up...but that's always been his editing style. People claimed that Episode 1 and 2 were boring...so he responded witht an action packed, fast moving finale and now people STILL complain. The acting was much improved in my opinion...and in key moments, the actors really delivered. I'm sure everyone who has seen it knows what scenes I'm talking about too. If you're a real Star Wars fan, those moments at least had to give you some goosebumps.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 but the vast majority of the reviews are positive, despite some concerns over editing. In the end, the good outweights the bad. I agree that all Episode I did was establish the very BASIC plot lines of the trilogy. I also felt that some scenes felt rushed and a little chopped up...but that's always been his editing style. People claimed that Episode 1 and 2 were boring...so he responded witht an action packed, fast moving finale and now people STILL complain. The acting was much improved in my opinion...and in key moments, the actors really delivered. I'm sure everyone who has seen it knows what scenes I'm talking about too. If you're a real Star Wars fan, those moments at least had to give you some goosebumps.

the vast majority of reviews are positive given the fact that it's being compared to EP1, and EP2 which don't exactly set the bar very high..

Starwars is like one of those things where if you can't do it right, u shouldn't even touch it .. i always hoped that if he ever came out with the new trilogy it could be something that was marvelled on its own as a great achievement. it's unfortunate that it had to fall short in certain areas. sometimes i think to myself whether it would have been better for him not to hav made the new trilogy at all given the way it was going to turn out. or perhaps he could have taken another approach by getting someone else to direct it while he focused strictly on the CGI aspects since that what it seems he did anyway.

in terms of the acting, i don't think i can agree with you there. it was better than the first 2 without a doubt, but we're not talking about a quantum leap here either. i remember at one point in the movie, Natalie Portman's acting was so bad and her lines so poorly worded, the entire theatre started laughing.. i literally cringed at the sight. i couldn't feel any chemistry between her and Hayden Christiansen at all, save a few moments this time around (in EP2 it was completely lacking).

atleast it's done now. time to start to come to terms with it. but as far as continuity goes, the originals i will always hold in its own high regard apart from these. it's difficult to even try and associate the two.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL the vast majority of reviews are positive given the fact that it's being compared to EP1, and EP2 which don't exactly set the bar very high..

But the very first movies, episodes 4-6, did set the bar fairly high.

Natalie Portman did a horrible job in this movie. Haydn was so so, sometimes seaming sinister and other times just seaming like he was trying too hard.

The movie itself was: EP1 + EP2 < EP3. They should have just made a single prequel and this movie seamed cluttered. They tried to fit in everything that was left unanswered or that was going to link this movie with the others. Dying Padme, who didn't even know she was having twins, is able to spit their names out with one last breath. Worth my 10 bucks just for Yoda getting his lightsaber on but not even worth a second look.

it was a ok movie, just like any other star wars movie honestly..

but cool part was all the special effects. and the ending part of darth vader

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Originally posted by dEsidEL the vast majority of reviews are positive given the fact that it's being compared to EP1, and EP2 which don't exactly set the bar very high..

I disagree (what else is new). I'd say Ep III is on par with the old ones, and will be remembered as a great movie!

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Originally posted by dEsidEL i couldn't feel any chemistry between her and Hayden Christiansen at all

I could in the first one, but could NOT AT ALL in this one!

Honestly, I got NOTHING from those two... but maybe that was intended... trying to show a rift forming despite their love for eachother???

I dunno...

I think I must be the only person on earth who hasn't seen ANY Star Wars movies EVER!!!

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Originally posted by magikb I think I must be the only person on earth who hasn't seen ANY Star Wars movies EVER!!!

Meh, you arent missing that much if u ask me.

they're fun to watch for the hype tho and if u go with your buddies.

i trully enjoyed Episode II tho... but Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman were the only reason tho. well not entirely true, i jsut LOVED that Yoda fight scene to death. it impressed the hell outta me!!!!

~jem~

The older movies were great but these last three are obviously just a cash grab and a poor attempt at a special effects laden pre-trilogy.

Did you guys noticed two gi joe vehicles were in SW EPIII ???





I just watched it again tonight and finaly realize were I've seen these two vehicels before. They kinda look a like ...

Star Wars fans burnt by petrol-filled 'light sabre'
By Stewart Payne
(Filed: 24/05/2005)

A man of 20 and a girl aged 17 were engulfed in flames when a home-made Star Wars "light sabre" exploded and showered them with burning petrol.

Mark Webb and Shelley Mandiville are thought to have filled a fluorescent tube with fuel to imitate the weapons in the latest Star Wars film Revenge of the Sith, released at the weekend. But their clothing caught fire and Mr Webb suffered 40 per cent burns.

Firemen were called to woodland near Hemel Hempstead, Herts, on Sunday and found them on the ground. Police think they had been filming themselves.

Last night they were in a critical condition at a specialist burns unit at Broomfield Hospital, Chelmsford, Essex.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai.../24/ixhome.html

Never been a big Star wars fan, so i watched the movie only because of the escapism factor. Acting on the most part was quite frankly terrible. The dialogue was very cliched and at some points utterly cheesy. The plot was...well, it was something that a 18 year old would think off...A young and powerful jedi is so effected by one reoccuring nightmare (and that's all it is...a fricken nightmare) that he kills a bunch of kids and goes against the people he calls his teachers. Where's the logic in that ?

The special effects were good. Nice battle scenes, although the light saber fights left much to be desired. Overall, a decent movie. Better then EP1 and 2, which isn't saying much because they sucked balls.

5/10...Just cause it featured a mute jar jar binks and some cool effects.

George Lucas needs to learn how to write a story for adults...the dialogue. OMG -- did a 5 year old help him pen that trite ?

To the fans who want to find a deeper meaning in the SW films...may the force be with you - you silly muppets ! Pick up a philosophy book or something. The only thing deep about those films, is the pocket of Mr George Lucas, who's laughing all the way to the bank.

Star Wars is awesome, and this movie kicked ass. Saw it last night.

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Originally posted by Kytracid Never been a big Star wars fan, so i watched the movie only because of the escapism factor. Acting on the most part was quite frankly terrible. The dialogue was very cliched and at some points utterly cheesy. The plot was...well, it was something that a 18 year old would think off...A young and powerful jedi is so effected by one reoccuring nightmare (and that's all it is...a fricken nightmare) that he kills a bunch of kids and goes against the people he calls his teachers. Where's the logic in that ? The special effects were good. Nice battle scenes, although the light saber fights left much to be desired. Overall, a decent movie. Better then EP1 and 2, which isn't saying much because they sucked balls. 5/10...Just cause it featured a mute jar jar binks and some cool effects. George Lucas needs to learn how to write a story for adults...the dialogue. OMG -- did a 5 year old help him pen that trite ? To the fans who want to find a deeper meaning in the SW films...may the force be with you - you silly muppets ! Pick up a philosophy book or something. The only thing deep about those films, is the pocket of Mr George Lucas, who's laughing all the way to the bank.

You had pretty much the same thoughts on the movie that I did. No real substance to it, you can tell he just sat down one day and thought "I have an idea for a cool movie, wait a minute I did one trilogy so why don't I just make another one instead of a single movie!".

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar I could in the first one, but could NOT AT ALL in this one! Honestly, I got NOTHING from those two... but maybe that was intended... trying to show a rift forming despite their love for eachother??? I dunno...

wow...ok, the only thing I found overly corny was the "hold me like you did at the lake on Naboo" and the "I love you too much. No I love you so much" crap. Granted, those were horrible lines...but Georgie writes it...they just act it out. But come on people...honestly, I may be alone here, but the Anakin/Padme exchange before their big duel (and subsequent Obi wan/Anakin exchange force choking Padme) was one of the best sequences in the entire trilogy. I agree with Halo...this one, unlike the last two, deserves a place among the originals for the last 1/3 of the movie alone.

But to be honest, I would have done things differently to start with. They should have started the prequels with Anakin as an older teenager (preferably 18-20) and had the romance with Padme start right away. Another thing was that George used up his villains too quickly. A great character (darth maul) was wasted...a great actor (Christopher Lee) was wasted. Another potentially cool character in General Grevious was too much of an afterthought. Anakin defeating a villain they had tangled with since Episode 1 would have been much better than killing off Dooku within 3 minutes. Obviously...Jar Jar was a huge mistake as well. And I think I would have had Darth Vader in the suit for much longer...possibly taking out Jedi like Mace Windu in the suit. ANother thing is...some of the casting wasn't very good. Liam Neeson was great but he was wasted in one movie. Wouldn't it have been better to just start with Obi wan training Anakin? Sam jackson is a great actor but he was usually dull in these movies. I think Keith David would have been a better Mace Windu.

Also, it would have been nice for Lucas to have recruited Gary Kurtz (producer on Star wars and Empire) and Lawrence Kasdan to help him flesh out the scripts (he did Empire and Jedi). Kershner, who directed Empire, is probably too old, but a more skilled director willing to work with Lucas (and point out his faults and bad ideas) would have benefitted this trilogy.

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Originally posted by Blue. The older movies were great but these last three are obviously just a cash grab and a poor attempt at a special effects laden pre-trilogy.

i agree.. and ironically the first 2 didn't even win an Oscar for special effects.. instead they were beat out by the Matrix and Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers respectively, movies that actually tried something different .. something that Lucas used to do

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 But to be honest, I would have done things differently to start with. They should have started the prequels with Anakin as an older teenager (preferably 18-20) and had the romance with Padme start right away.

this is what i originally thought he was going to do. start the trilogy off where Anakin was the same age as Luke from Episode 4. atleast that way parallels could be drawn between the 2 characters in terms of their development.

instead EP1 wasted so much precious time that he could have used to his advantage in telling more about the "Anakin story", which essentially is what the whole trilogy revolves around.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL i agree.. and ironically the first 2 didn't even win an Oscar for special effects.. instead they were beat out by the Matrix and Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers respectively, movies that actually tried something different .. something that Lucas used to do

It's funny that not only were they beat out in special effects but both of those movies are leaps and bounds ahead of EP I and II in terms of plot, acting and just overall enjoyment.

Yes, I agree, they did waste a lot of time in EP1.

My take is that he/they should of cut EP1 in half leaving the important stuff in and moved all the Episodes back.
The first half of EP2 becomes the last half of EP1 and so on, until we are left with the last half of EP3 which becomes now the first half, leaving more screen time to transition everything else( Qui-con's force apparition,, Yoda landing on Degobah, Lando, Han, Falcon, Fett, Jabba, Piett, Dodonna, Mothma, etc) and not finish it off in cartoon and live action for T.V. that will be coming later.

Careless is he..

Conan Obrian quotable:"Steven Spielberbg says that after fans see the new 'Star wars' movie they will leave the theater in tears. Mainly because they'll realize they wasted 25 years of their life."

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