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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Go ask any established techno artist what they think of Tiesto and you'll see. I'm sure they have some "interesting" views. Dave Clarke Richie Hawtin Derrick May Laurent Garnier

Are these in online interviews or any DJ mags? Aint seen anything kickin about in Mixmag or IDJ.

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Originally posted by tiestoisgod Are these in online interviews or any DJ mags? Aint seen anything kickin about in Mixmag or IDJ.

I wouldn't be looking for that in tabloids like Mixmag. Most DJs are too smart to start criticizing people in interviews for mags like that, as they always get their words twisted so that it means something completely different when the interview gets published.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper I wouldn't be looking for that in tabloids like Mixmag. Most DJs are too smart to start criticizing people in interviews for mags like that, as they always get their words twisted so that it means something completely different when the interview gets published.

That is true it would be stupid of them to do that, but how can you back up your previous statement? Not having a dig at you man but thats a statement you need a bit of solid copy behind.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper I can guarantee you that there are enough established DJs with record labels and several albums under their belts who think Tiesto is just as much of a joke as people on TA do.

there may be a few, but I think your in the minority here bud.

+ the ones u listed are TECHNO. What do they really have to offer as an opinion on Tiesto?

Techno is very differen't from Trance. I actually like Dave Clarke a lot as a producer, but he is too differen't from Tiesto to even mention in this debate, as well as the others u listed.

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as they always get their words twisted so that it means something completely different when the interview gets published.

as if you know what they are really thinking..

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Originally posted by djmetatron there may be a few, but I think your in the minority here bud. + the ones u listed are TECHNO. What do they really have to offer as an opinion on Tiesto? Techno is very differen't from Trance. I actually like Dave Clarke a lot as a producer, but he is too differen't from Tiesto to even mention in this debate, as well as the others u listed. as if you know what they are really thinking..

Paul thinks tiesto is a kiddi gimp. Does that count?

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Originally posted by djmetatron there may be a few, but I think your in the minority here bud. + the ones u listed are TECHNO. What do they really have to offer as an opinion on Tiesto? Techno is very differen't from Trance. I actually like Dave Clarke a lot as a producer, but he is too differen't from Tiesto to even mention in this debate, as well as the others u listed.

How does the music they are associated with make any difference? You said it was the people who have:

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your own record label and have years of production under your belt.

The people I mentioned qualify for that. Also, several of the techno DJs nowadays used to be trance producers/DJs in the past.

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as if you know what they are really thinking..

What does that have to do with anything? I know for a fact that people have gotten their words twisted and bent to insane proportions by tabloids like Mixmag. Danny Tenaglia had to write to the reader column himself to make clear that there were lots of things he never said or that were just plain wrong. That was my point.

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Originally posted by tiestoisgod That is true it would be stupid of them to do that, but how can you back up your previous statement? Not having a dig at you man but thats a statement you need a bit of solid copy behind.

I could dig up some, but I really don't see the need when they've stated stuff like "trance is for plebs and nonces" (Dave Clarke) and "Thanks to anti-trance.com for fighting against trance's continuing foothold in the US clubscene" (Richie Hawtin). You do the math.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper I could dig up some, but I really don't see the need when they've stated stuff like "trance is for plebs and nonces" (Dave Clarke) and "Thanks to anti-trance.com for fighting against trance's continuing foothold in the US clubscene" (Richie Hawtin). You do the math.

There is a need when you dont say where your getting this stuff from! Hawtin's post came from anti-trance.com if you say it does but what about Clarke's?
To be honest, no-one in the trance camp is gonna give 2 sh*ts about what someone else thinks of the music so their statements are kinda disposable. If some guy says my music is crap, I laugh at him!

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Originally posted by tiestoisgod There is a need when you dont say where your getting this stuff from! Hawtin's post came from anti-trance.com if you say it does but what about Clarke's? To be honest, no-one in the trance camp is gonna give 2 sh*ts about what someone else thinks of the music so their statements are kinda disposable. If some guy says my music is crap, I laugh at him!

My point is, when they think trance is as pathetic and laughable as they do, what do you think their view is on the biggest and most commercially succesful DJ to be associated with the genre? Especially when that DJ has willingly and actively pursued popstardom?

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper My point is, when they think trance is as pathetic and laughable as they do, what do you think their view is on the biggest and most commercially succesful DJ to be associated with the genre? Especially when that DJ has willingly and actively pursued popstardom?

Again, you aint said what your sources are so your arguement is kinda floored.

The fact is Tiesto has done a lot for the scene and he was one of the guys who got me into it back in the day so I for one am always gonna have a lotta respect for him.

Now yeah I acept he is a manufactured product, but at the same time the techno gods can slag him off coz the closest thing they got to a superstar in a pop sense is Mauro Picotto!!!

FLAME ON!!!!

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper I could dig up some, but I really don't see the need when they've stated stuff like "trance is for plebs and nonces" (Dave Clarke) and "Thanks to anti-trance.com for fighting against trance's continuing foothold in the US clubscene" (Richie Hawtin). You do the math. ... My point is, when they think trance is as pathetic and laughable as they do, what do you think their view is on the biggest and most commercially succesful DJ to be associated with the genre? Especially when that DJ has willingly and actively pursued popstardom?

Well I'm done with this argument, looks like you've dug yourself a hole here, with this last post you have shown your true colors. If you agree with these guys then fuck off this forum. It's called TRANCEADDICT.COM. If your going to push your veiled trance hating philosophy here you should see someone about that.

Good nite.

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Originally posted by tiestoisgod Again, you aint said what your sources are so your arguement is kinda floored. The fact is Tiesto has done a lot for the scene and he was one of the guys who got me into it back in the day so I for one am always gonna have a lotta respect for him. Now yeah I acept he is a manufactured product, but at the same time the techno gods can slag him off coz the closest thing they got to a superstar in a pop sense is Mauro Picotto!!! FLAME ON!!!!

see Oakenjoke

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Originally posted by djmetatron Well I'm done with this argument, looks like you've dug yourself a hole here, with this last post you have shown your true colors. If you agree with these guys then fuck off this forum. It's called TRANCEADDICT.COM. If your going to push your veiled trance hating philosophy here you should see someone about that. Good nite.

+1000

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Originally posted by tiestoisgod Again, you aint said what your sources are so your arguement is kinda floored.

I googled and found this: http://www.google.no/search?hl=no&q...=S%C3%B8k&meta=

which yields about 5 forum posts with the Richie Hawtin-quote in their sig or post.

Then there's the interview where PvD totally takes the piss out of Tiesto and his TiC-getup, which can be found here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=paul+interview

Some more wonderful words about trance from the cheerful Dave Clarke:
http://www.inthemix.com.au/chat/int...archives/14889/

I also know for a fact from the former editor of the norwegian club magazine Mutek that Laurent Garnier spent 30 mins throwing a huge anti-trance (Tiesto included) rant after an interview with them, with Lars Holte (who mixed an installment of ITWT) as a mute bystander. I'd dig up the post, but it is in Norwegian.

But this isn't really necessary. It couldn't possibly be more blatantly obvious what these DJs think about Tiesto's exploits, and anyone with a shred of objectivity towards this issue would easily put two and two together.

And for the record I don't hate trance, I love it just as much as you do. In fact, that is exactly why I have this opinion.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Then there's the interview where PvD totally takes the piss out of Tiesto and his TiC-getup, which can be found here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=paul+interview

Good work dude, shut me up on a few things! But I gotta slag PvD here, coz his sets are shockingly commercial at times and his Relflections album was p*ss poor so he's a bit out having a go at Tiesto for that.

His last good album was Politics of Dancing back in 2001!

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Originally posted by djmetatron there may be a few, but I think your in the minority here bud. + the ones u listed are TECHNO. What do they really have to offer as an opinion on Tiesto? Techno is very differen't from Trance. I actually like Dave Clarke a lot as a producer, but he is too differen't from Tiesto to even mention in this debate, as well as the others u listed. as if you know what they are really thinking..

in an interview a few months back pvd got torn into tiesto. said that he (pvd) was more into his music and didnt like all of these djs with gimmicks like playing concerts in theme parks!!!

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Originally posted by miura Tiesto plays music to suit the mood. His poor sets are on commercial events when people want to hear the music they recognise. I've seen him play at Cream when he doesnt have to conform to anything and he was fantastic. He was the last of the major DJ's that i hadnt seen, and hands down he was better than them all. PVD, Oakie, Armin van Buuren, Jules, Sasha, John 00 etc. etc., the lot.

ERM, Tiesto better than Sasha!?!?!

I may not be into Sasha's sound, but he could mix better than Tiesto is he was a quad-amputee and had to use his weiner to mix.

j00f also is MUCH better than Tijs

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Originally posted by Grrrrr Which or how many of Tijs songs are by cor finjeman? miura - That would make sense, ive seen him 3 times. Twice at big events where he was shockingly bad then at amnesia in ibiza where he was unbelivable. I've not lost faith yet (just)

As far as I know, no songs of tiësto are produced by Cor Fijneman (not Finjeman )

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Originally posted by Tayfoon Traffic was made by him, he took the melody from somewhere else tho, even says so on the vinyl

The vinyl says 'sample take from ...' not melody taken from...

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Originally posted by tiestoisgod Good work dude, shut me up on a few things! But I gotta slag PvD here, coz his sets are shockingly commercial at times and his Relflections album was p*ss poor so he's a bit out having a go at Tiesto for that. His last good album was Politics of Dancing back in 2001!

your forgetting that the most basic thing for a dj to do is Beatmatch. And tiesto can't even do that.

Tiesto = Ashley Simpson

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 Tiesto = Ashley Simpson

No, not really...

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Originally posted by Traiden No, not really...

hes a fake popstar based on the hype from his older sister

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 hes a fake popstar based on the hype from his older sister

Than who's his sister?

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Originally posted by Traiden Than who's his sister?

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper He didn't trainwreck on his CDs like Tiesto, he just fader slammed a lot.

What is fader slamming?

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Originally posted by Traiden What is fader slamming?

moving that really fast

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