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Originally posted by George Smiley Well Iran is an extreme case (and I think thats why that article used it) but what it comes down to is do you think the people in the Middle East would prefer an Islamist theocracy or western liberal democracy?

Well, I can't really say which one they'd prefer as opinions vary. They definetly don't want the current corrupt and oppressive goverments, secular or not. I also think weather they want Sharia (properly implemented and re-interpreted so it's appropriate for our times, not 700 AD Arabia) or a non-secular Goverment (wheather it's more democratic or socialist) varies depending on which country you go to aswell. So it's not a simple question. But they DEFINETLY don't want outside involvement since (wheather you agree or not) they feel has never really helped them(and IMO rightly so).They have little faith in the West when it comes to intervention(especially military) in the region.

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Originally posted by George Smiley I have seen nothing to suggest that the Islamists are in any way a majority...

And yes, in most areas where people are more educated (and even many areas where people aren't) they definetly don't want the fanatics running the show eigther.

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Originally posted by tamk this fanticism is no worse than the US's fanatical war against communisim in latin america, or other places. how many people died there?

Was regarding religious fanaticism, not cultural or political.


A bit busy so excuse me if I don't reply back to all your replies.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Ok, I'll give you a small example, drinking and clubbing. Not exactly very compatible with their religious values.

Drinking and clubbing are not values, and they are not representative of an entire western culture. What they represent are habits of western teenagers/young adults. And I'm not convinced that youth in the east aren't engaging in similar activities, even if it's drinking gasoline and playing the sitar while they smoke their opium.

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Originally posted by Shakka Drinking and clubbing are not values, and they are not representative of an entire western culture. What they represent are habits of western teenagers/young adults. And I'm not convinced that youth in the east aren't engaging in similar activities, even if it's drinking gasoline and playing the sitar while they smoke their opium.

Ok, let me elaborate on that one. It's not tabu like it is in Muslim culture (i.e. their values are different).

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Was regarding religious fanaticism, not cultural or political.

Neil, fanatacism is fanatacism, wheather it's religous, cultural or political.

Yes, but in this context we are talking explicitly about a specific religious group and their fanaticism in relation to other religious groups and their fanaticism not about the fanaticism of athletics or politics vs. religion. If so you open the doors to say everyone on the planet is a fanatic in some fashion.

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